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global1

(25,169 posts)
Sun Apr 7, 2013, 12:25 PM Apr 2013

I Don't Think The Dems And PBO Really Know How Pissed Off The Dem Electorate Is Re: SS....

I don't think it is resonating in the hearts and minds of Dems that represent us in the House and the Senate and I even think that PBO doesn't get it either.

If they go through with messing with SS and/or Medicare - they will suffer in the upcoming elections - one way or another.

Keep calling your elected officials in D.C. and telling them hands off.

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I Don't Think The Dems And PBO Really Know How Pissed Off The Dem Electorate Is Re: SS.... (Original Post) global1 Apr 2013 OP
I think they do and just don't have the heart or the will to care enough. ananda Apr 2013 #1
They Reason That We Have No Others To Vote For - We Are The Captured 47% cantbeserious Apr 2013 #2
If they don't, LWolf Apr 2013 #3
They will find out. But I think they already know Autumn Apr 2013 #4
It's the media- the media has been misinforming the masses for years Win-the-fight Apr 2013 #56
Then they are utterly stupid and incompetent by nature TheKentuckian Apr 2013 #5
Absolutely, that is the only way, and if they still do not listen, start running real Democrats still_one Apr 2013 #6
So we sit on our hands in 2014 Freddie Apr 2013 #7
Not if the "Democrat" is pushing through GOP policies. duffyduff Apr 2013 #11
Yep. Romney would never have been able to get Social Security cuts. Marr Apr 2013 #31
How true. And none of us would have tblue Apr 2013 #40
Sorry friend, but ... 99Forever Apr 2013 #12
Really? tabasco Apr 2013 #15
Is that what I said? 99Forever Apr 2013 #17
x2 AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #19
You'd think so, wouldn't you? 99Forever Apr 2013 #20
That's a tired false equivalency. Do you understand the concept of "good cop rhett o rick Apr 2013 #26
The curtain has been opened and what has been seen Autumn Apr 2013 #18
People can choose to ignore what is going on CountAllVotes Apr 2013 #28
You either ignore or you scream. tblue Apr 2013 #43
I know ... CountAllVotes Apr 2013 #51
I agree. This bullshit is over. Marr Apr 2013 #29
That's what happens when you demoralize the base Glitterati Apr 2013 #13
I used to shamelessly ridicule Working Class Republicans... bvar22 Apr 2013 #24
Like I said Glitterati Apr 2013 #25
Well said. YOur post should be an OP. rhett o rick Apr 2013 #27
Please make this a separate thread. tblue Apr 2013 #45
I, too, agree that your post should be an OP. AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #50
No Freddie, we get out and get progressive elected. Kick the damn blue dogs out on their rhett o rick Apr 2013 #22
You're closer to the answer than you think rhett o rick ewagner Apr 2013 #48
I keep hearing that people are talking about boycotting the 2014 election. rhett o rick Apr 2013 #54
Perhaps the fact they don't care fredamae Apr 2013 #8
They'd have listened if Romney pulled this crap duffyduff Apr 2013 #9
ridiculous notion. KG Apr 2013 #10
I think he does and doesn't care aandegoons Apr 2013 #14
Sure they do. They don't CARE. They don't work for us. nt Demo_Chris Apr 2013 #16
They Know. They don't care, because... bvar22 Apr 2013 #21
I'm only really hearing about it on DU and the blogverse... Comrade_McKenzie Apr 2013 #23
Mindless entertainment. Cheap electronic toys. CrispyQ Apr 2013 #30
How will you punish them? By voting for Scott Walker and Chris Christie? graham4anything Apr 2013 #32
Uh. LBJ didn't run in '68 because he knew he'd lose. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2013 #35
He would have beaten Nixon in the general. HHH would have been the nominee even if Bobby alive graham4anything Apr 2013 #41
LOL. He knew he would lose to Nixon because he had alienated the progressives. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2013 #44
Both parties are nineteen50 Apr 2013 #33
They should adopt "Kick Me!" as their new campaign slogan as a follow up to "Not as bad". Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2013 #34
I don't think our party has a clue, lifelong dems are rethinking & I doubt the digust will wait. mother earth Apr 2013 #36
I do not think that PBO nor the Democratic Party gives a shit. PufPuf23 Apr 2013 #37
But, they do know who gives the big money for campaigns. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2013 #38
There hasn't been this much anger in the base since the Public Option was lost... Tom Rinaldo Apr 2013 #39
I think they need an "OBJECT LESSON" ewagner Apr 2013 #42
I suggest mass re-registration for the greens or another party on point Apr 2013 #46
PBO is in a Bush bubble. He only hears what he wants to hear. forestpath Apr 2013 #47
Oh, they know. And they know that time is on their side bbgrunt Apr 2013 #49
Sure they do. Deep13 Apr 2013 #52
The poor, elderly and disabled are just a disposable abstraction to them jsr Apr 2013 #53
He doesn't care MFrohike Apr 2013 #55
I think they know but do not care Samantha Apr 2013 #57
THEY KNOW Skittles Apr 2013 #58
It's not just the "Dem Electorate." WorseBeforeBetter Apr 2013 #59
The Dem electorate isn't the only one pissed off. Blue_In_AK Apr 2013 #60

Autumn

(44,765 posts)
4. They will find out. But I think they already know
Sun Apr 7, 2013, 12:32 PM
Apr 2013

and I don't think they are bothered by it. I'm reminded though, of the definition of insanity.

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

Albert Einstein

I don't know about you, but I've lost track of how many calls I have made, how many e mails I have sent, how many petitions I have signed and at least 5 snail mails sent. And yet here we are still doing it. And here they are, still ignoring us.

 

Win-the-fight

(47 posts)
56. It's the media- the media has been misinforming the masses for years
Sun Apr 7, 2013, 06:28 PM
Apr 2013

We have to demand that the media tell the truth, starting with the fact that the separately and fully funded Social Security Trust Fund has nothing to do with the debt they created with their tax cuts while starting two wars and big government programs.

TheKentuckian

(24,949 posts)
5. Then they are utterly stupid and incompetent by nature
Sun Apr 7, 2013, 12:34 PM
Apr 2013

Which isn't true. What is true is they don't give a fuck what we think or do. There has been trial balloon after trial balloon, they know very well and are just fine with whatever. We are being gamed.

still_one

(91,966 posts)
6. Absolutely, that is the only way, and if they still do not listen, start running real Democrats
Sun Apr 7, 2013, 12:35 PM
Apr 2013

Against them

Freddie

(9,232 posts)
7. So we sit on our hands in 2014
Sun Apr 7, 2013, 12:38 PM
Apr 2013

And let the Repugs continue their takeover of Congress and state governments. Worked real well in 2010.
I'm pissed off about this too, but letting things get worse is NOT the answer. Any Dem is better than any Repug. Think of women's rights issues for one.

 

duffyduff

(3,251 posts)
11. Not if the "Democrat" is pushing through GOP policies.
Sun Apr 7, 2013, 12:52 PM
Apr 2013

The Republicans have limited power right now. There is NO reason for Obama to go after the New Deal and Great Society programs except the fact he is bought off by Wall Street and has a gigantic ego he is some transformative figure in American history.

People need to get past the "D" after somebody's name and call it for what it is. "Women's issues" are pretty low on the scale of importance when this country is on the verge of being a third world country.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
31. Yep. Romney would never have been able to get Social Security cuts.
Sun Apr 7, 2013, 02:16 PM
Apr 2013

Obama may very well get it. And they'll be damned deep cuts once a few years have passed.

tblue

(16,350 posts)
40. How true. And none of us would have
Sun Apr 7, 2013, 02:55 PM
Apr 2013

preached restraint and patience.

These DINOs are doing the damage to the social safety net that Ronald Reagan dreamed of bit couldn't get done.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
12. Sorry friend, but ...
Sun Apr 7, 2013, 12:54 PM
Apr 2013

... the God cop/Bad cop scam has been exposed for the steaming pile it is.

Does. Not. Resonate. Any. More.

 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
15. Really?
Sun Apr 7, 2013, 12:57 PM
Apr 2013

So, under your analysis, the Obama presidency has been equally as awful as the Bush presidency?

That's a bold statement. Would you care to back it up?

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
20. You'd think so, wouldn't you?
Sun Apr 7, 2013, 01:16 PM
Apr 2013

Last edited Sun Apr 7, 2013, 02:16 PM - Edit history (1)

But they don't. They usually do one of two things, either run away and slither back under their rock or double down on their stupid.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
26. That's a tired false equivalency. Do you understand the concept of "good cop
Sun Apr 7, 2013, 02:08 PM
Apr 2013

bad cop".

Here's a bold statement. President Obama has proposed to cut SS and Medicare benefits as a starting point for negotiations. But I am guessing under your analysis that's ok because of the "it could be worse" denial strategy.

CountAllVotes

(20,854 posts)
28. People can choose to ignore what is going on
Sun Apr 7, 2013, 02:12 PM
Apr 2013

But eventually they will find out.

Let's face it folks, we've been had.

What has been done is the final straw for the great BO. Too late and he did it to himself all by himself.

for you BO. Welcome to my ignore list of has been politicians.

tblue

(16,350 posts)
43. You either ignore or you scream.
Sun Apr 7, 2013, 03:00 PM
Apr 2013

Ignoring is easier on the vocal chords. I stopped listening to the well-worded speeches when I realized that's all they are. That was quite a while back. I really cannot listen to him anymore. Makes me cringe.

CountAllVotes

(20,854 posts)
51. I know ...
Sun Apr 7, 2013, 03:38 PM
Apr 2013

I got there real fast when I realized that ObamaCare will cost some people close to 12K a year, I knew we'd been had. Who the hell can afford to pay this amount? Answer: the 1% can but the average Joe out there sure cannot and he/she will be fined for not being able to pay up. !!!!!

Now that right there is not my idea of HOPE and not the kind of CHANGE I was led to believe in by this fraud with the flowery speeches that meant nothing in reality. It looked good in the beginning but I for one did not contribute a single cent to his re-selection campaign.

Where do we go from here is the question now.

We need to come up with plans to fix this nightmare.

We need a leader, a real leader that is honest.

That is too much to ask for perhaps.

What a sad damn reality we have on our hands now.



 

Glitterati

(3,182 posts)
13. That's what happens when you demoralize the base
Sun Apr 7, 2013, 12:55 PM
Apr 2013

See 2010, when they promised Single Payer and gave us ACA.

There's simply no reason for me to go stand in line, get laughed at, pointed at and made fun of when I request a DEM ballot in republican hell - not when the folks I'm suffering through that to elect are screwing with my life and Social Security. I don't need to endure that BS when the DEMs are doing exactly what the republicans would do anyway.

So, yeah, I'm staying home. Fuck these assholes. I have no intention of HELPING them screw me.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
24. I used to shamelessly ridicule Working Class Republicans...
Sun Apr 7, 2013, 02:04 PM
Apr 2013

...for voting against their own economic interests.
The joke is on me, because NOW the Democratic Party is asking ME to vote against MY own economic interests.

Never-the-Less, "Staying Home" is not an option.
Careful, strategic voting, and donating ONLY to Democrats with a solid Liberal Track Record is one thing that you can do. Financial support for Liberal Organizations and 3rd Parties can also put pressure on the conservative Big Business Democratic Establishment. The ONLY way to get the conservative Party leadership to listen to The Left is to apply political pressure from the Left. Otherwise, they will continue to ignore, ridicule, and marginalize us.

The real BATTLES are fought in the Democratic Primaries, but even THAT field is heavily slanted AGAINST the local Grass Roots, and any upstart candidates that are NOT already beholding to the conservative Power Brokers.


The Arkansas Democratic Primary was a heart breaking eye opener for the Grass Roots and Organized LABOR. We were given a Look Behind the Curtain,
and it wasn't very pretty.
"The Arkansas primary fight illuminates some unpleasant though vital truths about the Democratic establishment "

"So what did the Democratic Party establishment do when a Senator who allegedly impedes their agenda faced a primary challenger who would be more supportive of that agenda? They engaged in full-scale efforts to support Blanche Lincoln. Bill Clinton traveled to Arkansas to urge loyal Democrats to vote for her, bashing liberal groups for good measure. Obama recorded an ad for Lincoln which, among other things, were used to tell African-American primary voters that they should vote for her because she works for their interests. The entire Party infrastructure lent its support and resources to Lincoln — a Senator who supposedly prevents Democrats from doing all sorts of Wonderful, Progressive Things which they so wish they could do but just don’t have the votes for.

<snip>

What happened in this race also gives the lie to the insufferable excuse we’ve been hearing for the last 18 months from countless Obama defenders: namely, if the Senate doesn’t have 60 votes to pass good legislation, it’s not Obama’s fault because he has no leverage over these conservative Senators. It was always obvious what an absurd joke that claim was; the very idea of The Impotent, Helpless President, presiding over a vast government and party apparatus, was laughable. But now, in light of Arkansas, nobody should ever be willing to utter that again with a straight face. Back when Lincoln was threatening to filibuster health care if it included a public option, the White House could obviously have said to her: if you don’t support a public option, not only will we not support your re-election bid, but we’ll support a primary challenger against you. Obama’s support for Lincoln did not merely help; it was arguably decisive, as The Washington Post documented today:"

<much more>

http://www.salon.com/2010/06/10/lincoln_6/

The White House, the DSCC, the DCCC, the DNC, or ANY National Party Organization have Absolutely NO Business and NO Excuse for interfering in LOCAL Democratic Primaries.

While the powers aligned against us in The Media, The Republican Party, and the Democratic Party seem overwhelming, Surrender is not an option.

I will NOT Take the Blue Pill, as many here have done,
and start cheering for those those who would make my life and that of my children more difficult while enriching my economic enemies.

I will NOT go gently into that Good Night.

I will STAND & FIGHT for the Traditional Democratic Party Values of:
*The New Deal, (FDR)

*The Economic Bill of Rights, (FDR)

*The Fair Deal,
(HST)
and
*The Great Society.(LBJ)


[font color=firebrick size=3][center]"If we don't fight hard enough for the things we stand for,
at some point we have to recognize that we don't really stand for them."

--- Paul Wellstone[/font]
[/center]
[center][/font]
[font size=1]photo by bvar22
Shortly before Sen Wellstone was killed[/center]
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[font size=5 color=firebrick]Solidarity![/font]


 

Glitterati

(3,182 posts)
25. Like I said
Sun Apr 7, 2013, 02:08 PM
Apr 2013

I have no intention of helping them screw me.

I'm not some damned freeper who is stupid enough to keep voting for the fools. Fool me one, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on ME!

tblue

(16,350 posts)
45. Please make this a separate thread.
Sun Apr 7, 2013, 03:05 PM
Apr 2013

It needs to be read by everybody. I so agree with you and your game plan resonates with me. We cannot keep going down this bad path. Things are getting worse, not better. SOLIDARITY! I am with you! What state are you in? I'm in CA.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
22. No Freddie, we get out and get progressive elected. Kick the damn blue dogs out on their
Sun Apr 7, 2013, 01:47 PM
Apr 2013

conservative ears. We have been accepting this conservative bull crap for too long on the stupid rationalization that "It could be worse". Well bull crap.

When the R party went bonkers, the conservatives moved under our tent and brought their conservative ideology with them. To survive we must kick their asses out and take our chances. No Democratic resources should be wasted on blue dogs.

In the state of WA, two blue dog senators took Democratic assets to get elected and then turned traitor and are caucusing with the Repukes giving them control of the Senate.

Let me remind you that it wasnt progressives that sat on their hands in 2010. It was the damn centrists. I saw it with my own eyes.

ewagner

(18,964 posts)
48. You're closer to the answer than you think rhett o rick
Sun Apr 7, 2013, 03:18 PM
Apr 2013

The Republicans can ignore the majority of Americans because of two things...

gerrymandered congressional districts; and

white-knuckled fear that their base will turn on them and run somebody TO THEIR RIGHT against them....and it has worked...at least ot the extent that they have maintained party discipline and keep lurching farther and farther to the right..

so what have we learned from this? Well...considering some here are talking about "boycotting the 2014" elections, the answer is nothing..or at least not what we should.

We should take a page out of the tea-party play book...primary or threaten to primary any dem who runs to the RIGHT of our positions....threaten them with viable candidates and start a REVERSE TEA PARTY movement within the Democratic party.

Remember the gerrymandering works for us just like it did for the Republicans...because in order for them to get solid RED districts, they had to isolate Democrats in SOLID BLUE districts...those districts are mostly safe for Democrats so a primary challenge and victory would actually mean something.

Unfortunately, we would have to leave the "purple" districts where we have a seated democrat in office in a red state/district because we can't run the risk of losing those districts while we reinstall true progressives in the blue districts.

This is the only reasonable strategy I can see at the moment...

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
54. I keep hearing that people are talking about boycotting the 2014 election.
Sun Apr 7, 2013, 04:22 PM
Apr 2013

I havent seen such and would love to see links if anyone can help me.

I agree we need to install progressives where ever we can. I am not convinced that blue dogs help us. I say take the risk, the the voters a choice of a progressive and a republican. If they choose republican they will soon learn.

We are going down the drain. Blue Dogs might slow our decent but wont save us. We need to take the risk. Progressives or nothing.

fredamae

(4,458 posts)
8. Perhaps the fact they don't care
Sun Apr 7, 2013, 12:49 PM
Apr 2013

indicates the direction the Preservation of Our Future voting rights is going?

 

duffyduff

(3,251 posts)
9. They'd have listened if Romney pulled this crap
Sun Apr 7, 2013, 12:50 PM
Apr 2013

but because there is a "Democrat" in the White House, it has neutralized all opposition to his horrible policies, which are identical or worse than what any Republican president would propose.

aandegoons

(473 posts)
14. I think he does and doesn't care
Sun Apr 7, 2013, 12:56 PM
Apr 2013

Let's see underfund SS for a number of years then prepossess to cut it to fix it.


Mission Accomplished.


Cutting social security to fix it is like screwing for virginity.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
21. They Know. They don't care, because...
Sun Apr 7, 2013, 01:31 PM
Apr 2013

[font size=5]What are you going to DO?
Vote for a Republican?
Hahahahahahahahahaha!

 

Comrade_McKenzie

(2,526 posts)
23. I'm only really hearing about it on DU and the blogverse...
Sun Apr 7, 2013, 01:48 PM
Apr 2013

I have yet to hear one person mention it outside the Internet.

CrispyQ

(36,234 posts)
30. Mindless entertainment. Cheap electronic toys.
Sun Apr 7, 2013, 02:15 PM
Apr 2013

Who knew that's all it would take to subjugate a nation?

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
32. How will you punish them? By voting for Scott Walker and Chris Christie?
Sun Apr 7, 2013, 02:18 PM
Apr 2013

I think you vastly overestimate the importance of people,unlike here, being that older males are the one demographic that vastly supported Mitt Romney and not President Obama in the first place.

Do you think the republican candidates will pass Gay Marriage and 100% immigration reform?
Do you think the republican candidates will keep abortion legal?
Do you think any republican will do anything about guns in the street?
If so, name one.
Do you think that women will get any respect from any republican candidate?

Of course, electing more republicans like Rand Paul with David Duke's John Birch Society endorsements, yeah that's the ticket to show your anger

Vote for Ralph Nader like in 2000, yeah, great protest there.

Knowing what you know now, would you vote for LBJ in 1968 to defeat Nixon?

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
41. He would have beaten Nixon in the general. HHH would have been the nominee even if Bobby alive
Sun Apr 7, 2013, 02:59 PM
Apr 2013

and HHH would still have lost

He felt the primary would have been a bloodfest and cared about the party.
Had the greedy self-promoters like MCCArthy backed off, (mcC never would have beocome President) LBJ would have beaten Nixon

Of coures, McCarthy couldn't give it up either, thereby screwing everybody when one comes to think about it

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
44. LOL. He knew he would lose to Nixon because he had alienated the progressives.
Sun Apr 7, 2013, 03:01 PM
Apr 2013

Because of his war crimes in SE Asia.

Did you ever ask yourself why the progressives ended up hating his sorry ass?

nineteen50

(1,187 posts)
33. Both parties are
Sun Apr 7, 2013, 02:23 PM
Apr 2013

hoping they can hide behind the automatic sequester and can blame the other guys and save their own aces. So far they are getting away with their scam.

mother earth

(6,002 posts)
36. I don't think our party has a clue, lifelong dems are rethinking & I doubt the digust will wait.
Sun Apr 7, 2013, 02:33 PM
Apr 2013

I cannot begin to articulate the disgust I feel & can scarcely imagine it on a collective level. Obama, IMHO, is republican, or what the true conservative once was & for the life of me, I've yet to discover why the GOP is not worshipping at his feet. On second thought, he is radical (real meaning: black).

I've had enough.

Of course, disgust with the GOP is beyond description, they are just plain robbers & evil.
Both parties have been bought & paid for by the l%, the oligarch is NOT democracy.
It will fall, & it will fail. It's a question of when.

If we don't end this charade of governance & demand what is lawfully ours, the USA will be third world in record time.

Do we acquiesce to the robber barons/wall st gansters? Or do we END their heist?

PufPuf23

(8,689 posts)
37. I do not think that PBO nor the Democratic Party gives a shit.
Sun Apr 7, 2013, 02:43 PM
Apr 2013

There is no excuse for even a mention of putting SS and Medicare cuts on the table.

The idea is stupid and evil given.

The Democratic Party leadership is setting us up for a disaster in the 2014 midterm elections.

Then there will be plenty more excuses.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,911 posts)
39. There hasn't been this much anger in the base since the Public Option was lost...
Sun Apr 7, 2013, 02:48 PM
Apr 2013

How well did that play out for Democrats in the 2010 midterm elections? Just Sayin...

on point

(2,506 posts)
46. I suggest mass re-registration for the greens or another party
Sun Apr 7, 2013, 03:13 PM
Apr 2013

No real damage to the dems but would send a powerful message

bbgrunt

(5,281 posts)
49. Oh, they know. And they know that time is on their side
Sun Apr 7, 2013, 03:26 PM
Apr 2013

By the time the general pop understands what has happened to them, it will be too late to do anything beside an actual revolution--and just why do you think the police have become so militarized, total information control is operating and more "free trade" deals are on the table?

Deep13

(39,154 posts)
52. Sure they do.
Sun Apr 7, 2013, 03:46 PM
Apr 2013

What's PBO? I know PO, BO, PBJ, POB, BDP, BRD, PDQ, PBR, and PBS.

Anyway, the ranking Ds know, they just know there is nothing we can do about it.

jsr

(7,712 posts)
53. The poor, elderly and disabled are just a disposable abstraction to them
Sun Apr 7, 2013, 04:13 PM
Apr 2013

FDR would be rolling over in his grave.

MFrohike

(1,980 posts)
55. He doesn't care
Sun Apr 7, 2013, 04:38 PM
Apr 2013

He's looking at the 80 million or so that Bill has made shilling for the rentiers and thinking, "I could top that."

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
57. I think they know but do not care
Sun Apr 7, 2013, 07:10 PM
Apr 2013

Fix the Debt is planning to augment political campaign contributions for those who vote for changes in Social Security and support the austerity program (read sequester). They know there will be voter retribution at the polls for their support but that retribution can be offset (they do believe) by just throwing more dollars into advertising.

In other words, it is all about them.

Sam

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
59. It's not just the "Dem Electorate."
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 03:14 AM
Apr 2013

Ran into two neighbors, both Republican, one moderate and one Teabagger -- they *ain't* happy with these proposed cuts/fixes/chains/whatever. And I guarantee they'll be calling the White House and their representatives.

Blue_In_AK

(46,436 posts)
60. The Dem electorate isn't the only one pissed off.
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 04:16 AM
Apr 2013

I had a Facebook message from a right-wing high school classmate in Texas vowing not to vote for ANY politician of either party who messed with Social Security or Medicare. This one pisses EVERYONE off.

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