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Recursion

(56,582 posts)
Sun Apr 7, 2013, 11:12 AM Apr 2013

'She was doing what she loved': Young diplomat among 6 Americans killed in Afghanistan

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/07/17640311-she-was-doing-what-she-loved-young-diplomat-among-6-americans-killed-in-afghanistan?lite


Anne Smedinghoff, 25, was one of five Americans killed in a car bomb attack on Saturday in Zabul Province, Afghanistan, Secretary of State John Kerry said Sunday. Three of the dead were U.S. service members and the fifth a civilian employee of the Defense Department, Kerry said.

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"It's a grim reminder to all of us, though we didn't need any reminders, of how important and also how risky carrying the future is with people who want to resist," Kerry told State Department employees on Sunday during a visit in Istanbul, Turkey.

Smedinghoff and the other Americans were traveling in a convoy to southern Afghanistan to deliver textbooks to children in Qalat, Kerry said.

...

"There are no words for anyone to describe the extraordinary harsh contradiction for a young 25-year-old woman, with all of her future ahead of her, believing in the possibilities of diplomacy to improve people's lives, making a difference, having an impact" to be killed, Kerry said.


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'She was doing what she loved': Young diplomat among 6 Americans killed in Afghanistan (Original Post) Recursion Apr 2013 OP
So sad. Sorry to hear this. smirkymonkey Apr 2013 #1
I normally ask this sarcastically, but "what about the children?" Recursion Apr 2013 #2
"what about the children?" Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2013 #3
Awful. A good argument for drones over piloted air strikes Recursion Apr 2013 #4
Did you leave out the sarcasm thingy? Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2013 #5
Nope. This is another example of that. Recursion Apr 2013 #7
How about we just get out and take our killing machines with us? Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2013 #9
As we learned in 2001, ignoring failed states doesn't make them go away Recursion Apr 2013 #10
Falling dominoes? Will the Taliban use the Ho Chi-Minh trail to invade Boston? Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2013 #11
Pakistan has the bomb. Recursion Apr 2013 #12
So does Brazil, Israel, India, China, France, etc. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2013 #13
Why did she need to deliver them? Arctic Dave Apr 2013 #6
You're actually accusing a 25 year old FSO killed in the line of duty of being a spy? Recursion Apr 2013 #8
If she was we would never know. Arctic Dave Apr 2013 #14
Come on. ocpagu Apr 2013 #18
We can't even deliver textbooks to American children. Dash87 Apr 2013 #15
She died in the service of naked imperialism. She'll get a nice plaque at Foggy Bottom. Comrade Grumpy Apr 2013 #16
What about the 18, 19, 20 year old soldiers, etc., rusty fender Apr 2013 #17

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
2. I normally ask this sarcastically, but "what about the children?"
Sun Apr 7, 2013, 11:17 AM
Apr 2013

It's not like the Afghan government is going to step up and deliver those textbooks. Should we just not do that at all?

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
3. "what about the children?"
Sun Apr 7, 2013, 11:23 AM
Apr 2013
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-22058455


Up to 12 civilians - 10 children and two women - are reported to have been killed in a Nato air strike in eastern Afghanistan.

A further six women are believed to have been injured in the incident in Shigal district, Kunar province.

Villagers and officials told the BBC that the casualties were inside their homes when they died.

Nato confirmed that "fire support" was used in Shigal after a US civilian adviser died in a militant attack.

What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty or democracy? Gandhi

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
7. Nope. This is another example of that.
Sun Apr 7, 2013, 11:52 AM
Apr 2013

Drones don't have to get in and out as quickly so they can take more time in targeting. Not sure how well that works in direct close support though.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
10. As we learned in 2001, ignoring failed states doesn't make them go away
Sun Apr 7, 2013, 11:58 AM
Apr 2013

I'm ambivalent about leaving Afghanistan, but I definitely don't think it would be as easy or as great an idea as a lot of people seem to think.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
11. Falling dominoes? Will the Taliban use the Ho Chi-Minh trail to invade Boston?
Sun Apr 7, 2013, 12:04 PM
Apr 2013

It seems we've heard that excuse for our wars before.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
12. Pakistan has the bomb.
Sun Apr 7, 2013, 12:07 PM
Apr 2013

The big worry is that the Taliban will use the Hindu Kush to overthrow Pakistan, who have the bomb.

But, more generally, we have a pretty dramatic example from 12 years ago of what can happen when people use a failed state as a safe haven.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
13. So does Brazil, Israel, India, China, France, etc.
Sun Apr 7, 2013, 12:15 PM
Apr 2013

We have a pretty dramatic example of what happens when we aided extremist to fight proxy wars against bogeymen 12 years ago.

We got into Afghanistan (and, Iraq) so that Bush could look tough and look like he was doing "something" after 9/11. We are now trying to extract ourselves from the fiasco without losing too much face, by using drones to show we're "doing something" in a lost war.

The war has always been and continues to be a deadly form of showbiz for politicians and the military too afraid to admit they lost another one.

 

Arctic Dave

(13,812 posts)
6. Why did she need to deliver them?
Sun Apr 7, 2013, 11:52 AM
Apr 2013

Seems odd that she had to personally give them to the children. With several military personell too.

Of course if she was a spy we would never be told the truth.


Sounds like a bullshit story to me.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
8. You're actually accusing a 25 year old FSO killed in the line of duty of being a spy?
Sun Apr 7, 2013, 11:54 AM
Apr 2013

Sorry if I'm getting pissed; the foreign service is just a pretty small town.

She had to deliver them personally because that was her job as an FSO.

 

Arctic Dave

(13,812 posts)
14. If she was we would never know.
Sun Apr 7, 2013, 01:10 PM
Apr 2013

Delivering books is an option, not a requirement of her job.

The FSO is as corrupt as any other US office.

Dash87

(3,220 posts)
15. We can't even deliver textbooks to American children.
Sun Apr 7, 2013, 01:16 PM
Apr 2013

We should definitely start here. We don't seem to be doing it well in Afghanistan either - we mostly just seem to be killing the children, not helping them.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
16. She died in the service of naked imperialism. She'll get a nice plaque at Foggy Bottom.
Sun Apr 7, 2013, 02:15 PM
Apr 2013

Sometimes when you invade their countries, people don't like you very much.

 

rusty fender

(3,428 posts)
17. What about the 18, 19, 20 year old soldiers, etc.,
Sun Apr 7, 2013, 03:04 PM
Apr 2013

that die over there? Isn't that a contradiction of their futures ahead of them? Bullshit! The presence of just one American over there is bullshit. Americans should not still be there killing Afghans!

General Dempsey is there now to determine how many soldiers to deploy to Afghanistan after we "leave". Will the General take the wrong lesson from these latest American deaths and conclude that we need to deploy more soldiers after we "leave"?

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