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Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 02:32 PM Apr 2013

White Supremacist Arrested In Prisons Chief Murder


James Lohr Arrested In Connection To Murder Of Colorado Corrections Director Tom Clements

DENVER — A white supremacist prison gang member was arrested but another was still being sought for questioning Friday in the death of Colorado's prisons chief as authorities investigated whether the gang had any ties to the killing.

James Lohr was taken into custody early Friday, El Paso County sheriff's spokesman Jeff Kramer said. Lohr was wanted for questioning in the slaying of Department of Corrections Director Tom Clements.

Authorities believe Lohr was in contact with gang associate Evan Ebel days before the killings of Clements and pizza delivery man Nate Leon. Police said they believe Ebel killed Leon and Clements in the days before he died in a shootout in Texas. The motive in the killings isn't clear.

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Full article here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/05/james-lohr-arrested-tom-clements-murder_n_3019575.html





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White Supremacist Arrested In Prisons Chief Murder (Original Post) Tx4obama Apr 2013 OP
White supremacism: turning petty offenders into trained, angry killers since 1856! Initech Apr 2013 #1
Thank our prison system and drug war for that one... Taverner Apr 2013 #8
This is called "blowback" MindPilot Apr 2013 #10
It's way past time to end the drug war. Initech Apr 2013 #21
Amen. Just, f'n Amen Taverner Apr 2013 #24
Good, and arrest his friends too because they probably are accessories to murder, Cleita Apr 2013 #2
No probable cause, no due process. MindPilot Apr 2013 #9
Don't get your panties in a wad. I was just venting. Cleita Apr 2013 #11
Ok, I'm gonna unwad my panties now. MindPilot Apr 2013 #12
Not since the Aryan Nation sold them to the skinheads. cliffordu Apr 2013 #17
This is probably is going to open up a big conspiracy and perhaps the undoing of the terrorist Thinkingabout Apr 2013 #3
lol..."gang" how quaint Blue_Tires Apr 2013 #4
Domestic terrorism Mz Pip Apr 2013 #5
Lohr has not been charged in the Clements killing. Comrade Grumpy Apr 2013 #6
If they are talking about the Aryan Brotherhood pipoman Apr 2013 #7
One thing I have noticed about the white supremacists is that they always disavow any Cleita Apr 2013 #13
They all join up for protection.. pipoman Apr 2013 #14
So you object to our prison system. I do too. Cleita Apr 2013 #16
I certainly object to many aspects of the prison system.. pipoman Apr 2013 #18
What a scary world you gained access to Generic Other Apr 2013 #20
What a dark & awful place. CrispyQ Apr 2013 #25
Fuck 'em. I have zero sympathy for neo-nazis. Zero. backscatter712 Apr 2013 #15
You should pray every day pipoman Apr 2013 #19
In this country it's easier to go to jail than to get a job with a good salary. Initech Apr 2013 #22
Dostoevsky: "The degree of civilization in a society can be judged by entering its prisons." Comrade Grumpy Apr 2013 #23

Initech

(100,043 posts)
21. It's way past time to end the drug war.
Sat Apr 6, 2013, 01:34 PM
Apr 2013

And anything that benefits for-profit prisons. That's the only thing the drug war has brought upon us and it's becoming an inherent danger to society.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
2. Good, and arrest his friends too because they probably are accessories to murder,
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 02:40 PM
Apr 2013

lock them up and throw the keys away. Good riddance to really rotten rubbish.

 

MindPilot

(12,693 posts)
9. No probable cause, no due process.
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 03:57 PM
Apr 2013

Just round 'em up and lock 'em away because after all, guilt by association is still guilt, right?

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
11. Don't get your panties in a wad. I was just venting.
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 04:05 PM
Apr 2013

However, these gang bangers seem to routinely murder people. The newspapers have been full of their criminal deeds for decades now.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
3. This is probably is going to open up a big conspiracy and perhaps the undoing of the terrorist
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 02:47 PM
Apr 2013

planning of these groups. I am already hearing the beginnings of protection for these groups.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
4. lol..."gang" how quaint
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 02:52 PM
Apr 2013

extensive networks, heavily armed, politically motivated assassinations, and they still can't use the "T" -word

Mz Pip

(27,433 posts)
5. Domestic terrorism
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 02:54 PM
Apr 2013

I remember when Janet Napolitano was condemned by Republicans for pointing out in her Homeland Securty report that these groups presented a threat. Since the Myslims weren't part of this equation it was outrageous to even mention these homegrown racist thugs.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
6. Lohr has not been charged in the Clements killing.
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 03:04 PM
Apr 2013

He was arrested on a pending warrant. Let's see if anything comes of this.

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
7. If they are talking about the Aryan Brotherhood
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 03:15 PM
Apr 2013

they are mislabeling them as "white supremacist". They are a prison gang, all prison gangs are separated by race. This is a white prison gang..established in the 1960's as a means for survival of white prison inmates. I once interviewed a founding father of the ABs who stated, and I believe, has no illusions of white supremacy..just an instinct for self preservation..

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
13. One thing I have noticed about the white supremacists is that they always disavow any
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 04:09 PM
Apr 2013

links to the mother ship when caught or talking to outsiders and the mother ship always disavows them, yet evidence keeps cropping up that yes, they were once affiliated with such and such a group. Now I don't doubt that some of the inmates join up for protection who had nothing to do with them on the outside, but by and large they are affiliated to some survivalist compound somewhere.

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
14. They all join up for protection..
Sat Apr 6, 2013, 01:09 AM
Apr 2013

the price is high. Some of the leaders came in on shorter sentences, seek protection, then embrace the brand for what it is. Which results in more criminal convictions for acts while in prison..the masses do what is asked of them to survive and hope never to hear from their brothers after their release.

In total I personally interviewed over 20 AB leaders in the Federal system in the early 1990's, and my partner another 20+ in over a year. I spent 10+ hours with one of the most notorious and feared members in the federal system. I was in the unique position of ally in a criminal defense..this required a bit of trust, which resulted in some very candid admissions..not criminal admissions beyond the criminal act of belonging to a "disruptive group" while a Federal inmate. Things like this notorious leader telling me that the public would not be safe if he ever get's out. To another telling me he is going to change his identity and run to get away from the brand..which was quite an admission considering whose defense I was working on...had I shared that, that member wouldn't have made it out alive.

No, what I find disgraceful is that people sentenced to prison can't serve their time peacefully, working, or learning in a safe environment if they wish..also the games played by government agents to entice bad behavior is loathsome...the dirty little secret of the US prison system..

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
16. So you object to our prison system. I do too.
Sat Apr 6, 2013, 02:25 AM
Apr 2013

Race is actually not the problem it's us, we the people, as a government.

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
18. I certainly object to many aspects of the prison system..
Sat Apr 6, 2013, 10:55 AM
Apr 2013

one of my biggest objections is that there are people within the US Justice Department whose job it is to try to extend prisoners stay. They do this by setting an inmate up in an impossible situation and waiting for the inmate to make the logical, yet illegal decision to join a "disruptive group"..which in itself will add time...then watch the prisoner and make subsequent cases for acts committed under extreme, life or death duress imposed by the "disruptive group" they were forced into through fear for their life...all caused by the maniacal games being played by "public servants"...it is a disgrace..

One example is a 20 year old man who was caught when he was 18 acting as a mule coming from South America into south Florida. He was a financially desperate college student who was doing well academically. He was a thin, 160 pound kid whose only defense was that his single mom had forced him, when he was young, to take Taekwondo and he became a blackbelt in his early teens. After his conviction he was sentenced to 5 years in Federal prison. He was transferred to USP Marion and placed in maximum security general population. His cellie was a black "disruptive group member" who immediately and repeatedly victimized him. He complained and was placed in the SHU for admitting to fighting. When he came out of the SHU he was put into a cell with a Mexican inmate who was trying to get into the Mexican Mafia. This inmate gave the young man to a leader of the Mexican Mafia as a gift. The leader victimized him, he fought back and ended up in the prison hospital after a severe, bone breaking beating. When he was released from the hospital, he was put in with a member of the AB. He started out doing jobs for his new cellie in exchange for protection..things like passing kites, smuggling his lunch out of the cafeteria to be given to members of the AB, etc. As time passed the AB asked for more and more risky jobs. One day the guards made an "error" and put him in the yard with another white inmate who virtually everyone on this board would know..a leader of an ally "disruptive group" to the AB...a group which the kid wasn't qualified to join because he didn't have the right ancestry...the "error" was that these 2 were the only 2 in the yard until the kid's first cellie and 3 other members of that rival gang. (Retrospectively the kid believes this was set up by SIS to try to kill the senior member of the other white gang who was causing constant legal problems for the Bureau of Prisons) He said he decided when he saw the situation he would rather be dead than live another day in these prison conditions, and he was going to take as many of his victimizers with him as possible. When the dust settled, the kid had taken a shiv from one of his attackers and killed 2 of them and wounded the other 2..saving his own life and the life of this infamous..known worldwide..leader of this ally gang. The leader immediately negotiated with the leadership of the AB for the kid's full membership in the AB. The kid became the assistant to an AB leader. While some of the requirements for membership were waved, the responsibilities of membership were not waved..in fact he was required to do more risky and dangerous jobs for the AB. At this point, he explained, he had to decide whether he would embrace the brand or risk retaliation for failing to do required jobs..he chose the former. When I was interviewing him he was up for release in 6 months, at 29 yrs old. He feared most coming back in, but the reality of his situation is/was that once out, the brand would contact him to do jobs on the outside..refusal results in bad things happening to the former inmate or the inmate's family. I don't know what happened to the young man..I would be interested to know..

Without the instigation by the Justice Department agents, this young man would have quietly served his 5 year sentence and probably never re-offended..immoral, offensive, and damnable..This entrapment is the norm in the Federal system, and the reason these gangs run the prisons..exactly the same things happen to young black, Hispanic, and Asian inmates..a dirty little secret of the Federal prison system..

As for race, it is the factor on where an inmate belongs among other inmates whether he likes it or not. The other consideration is that there are people in prison who are, IMO, inherently evil..they are the other reason new inmates can't peacefully serve their time. The policy of putting new inmates into maximum security general population until the "earn" a move to a lower security facility insures few will make it to the lower security facilities...it is backward, broken, and sorry..

Oh, and I suspect whom ever killed the prison warden did it under the extreme duress of the disruptive gang he/they was forced to join for protection many years ago..or possibly retaliation for the warden's role in his/their lifelong misery for a mistake they made many years ago..

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
20. What a scary world you gained access to
Sat Apr 6, 2013, 11:45 AM
Apr 2013

Earlier this week, I read a DU thread that suggested that many of the most hardcore members of these gangs are close to finishing long sentences and are about to be released to the public again. That they pose a very real threat to us all. It is unconscionable that we have not reformed this nightmarish prison system. Not that I know how. It only seems to have gotten worse over the years.

Thanks for sharing your insights.

CrispyQ

(36,424 posts)
25. What a dark & awful place.
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 10:02 AM
Apr 2013

It's no way to treat a human being. It is certainly no way to rehabilitate one.

What the fuck are we thinking? Oh yeah, that's right, the only thing that matters in America, the bottom line of some fucking corporation that is conducting it's business on tax payer dollars.

Maybe when half our population is locked up & a quarter of our population is out of work, we will rise up & do something? Or will Apple put out an new, enticing iWhatever & it will be business as usual?

I have family & friends who do not know about this issue, do not care about this issue & if I brought it up their response would likely be, "Hey, if you're in prison, you deserve what you get." Our society is very punitive & does not value empathy. We are a mean country.

I think it's time for an internet break. Thanks for the post.


backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
15. Fuck 'em. I have zero sympathy for neo-nazis. Zero.
Sat Apr 6, 2013, 01:25 AM
Apr 2013

If they all get supermaxed and spend the entire rest of their lives eating nothing but nutraloaf, and talking to the four walls of their cells until they start talking back, that'd be fine with me.

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
19. You should pray every day
Sat Apr 6, 2013, 11:10 AM
Apr 2013

that you are never rightly or wrongly convicted of a crime which puts you in prison..

Initech

(100,043 posts)
22. In this country it's easier to go to jail than to get a job with a good salary.
Sat Apr 6, 2013, 01:35 PM
Apr 2013

And the plutocrats in charge would prefer to keep it that way.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
23. Dostoevsky: "The degree of civilization in a society can be judged by entering its prisons."
Sat Apr 6, 2013, 01:37 PM
Apr 2013

Or its putatively progressive discussion boards.

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