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Glitterati

(3,182 posts)
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 10:34 AM Apr 2013

OK, Blue Dogs. You're up.

We talk, beg, plead, cajole until we're blue in the face.

And, then they do what the hell they want anyway.

I'm done. There's simply no reason to fight to vote, deal with Republicans trying to take away my vote, stand in horrendous lines, be attacked when I ask for a DEM ballot in Republican hell, just to have my own party betray me over and over.

I'm finished.

Blue dogs can thank me now for staying home in 2014. I'm not going to bother voting, nor will I cajole my family into going to the polls.

Let's see the Blue Dogs win an election without Progressives.

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OK, Blue Dogs. You're up. (Original Post) Glitterati Apr 2013 OP
For me I had no illusions, I voted Democratic because of the Supreme Court, and because as bad and still_one Apr 2013 #1
who's going to fund that local effort? not the democratic party. you're on your own, HiPointDem Apr 2013 #2
The secret truth is they hate progressives tblue Apr 2013 #12
not very secret. HiPointDem Apr 2013 #17
Some of us don't think so tblue Apr 2013 #23
Nothing is going to change Glitterati Apr 2013 #3
The voters who we're angry about Obamacare were ... JoePhilly Apr 2013 #5
Yeah, OK Glitterati Apr 2013 #8
I'm angry about Obamacare Le Taz Hot Apr 2013 #94
So you went to town halls and screamed ... JoePhilly Apr 2013 #97
I've voted every year since 1974 Le Taz Hot Apr 2013 #100
How will you "pay" to not have insurance? JoePhilly Apr 2013 #103
According to "Covered California" this is what their calculator gave me: Le Taz Hot Apr 2013 #120
Right. And the Senate. And the house. Glitterati Apr 2013 #6
If I could make this op my signature DonCoquixote Apr 2013 #84
The effort to reduce turnout from the left continues. JoePhilly Apr 2013 #4
Like I said Glitterati Apr 2013 #7
Sure, the way to teach the blue dogs a lesson, is to JoePhilly Apr 2013 #9
No difference Glitterati Apr 2013 #10
Wow scary. JoePhilly Apr 2013 #14
See Zell Miller Glitterati Apr 2013 #16
That's a long way back. JoePhilly Apr 2013 #19
And all the GA DEMs followed him Glitterati Apr 2013 #24
Way to blame the kicked dog for yelping. It is "Democratic Leadership" TheKentuckian Apr 2013 #156
The backlash from this... 99Forever Apr 2013 #11
Yes, it will Glitterati Apr 2013 #15
it isn't just "Blue Mutts." 99Forever Apr 2013 #18
It is now Glitterati Apr 2013 #21
I hear you, loud and clear. 99Forever Apr 2013 #28
They've been doing it since 2000. RC Apr 2013 #13
If you stay home, you have no voice. Find a progressive, even if you have to write him/her in. nessa Apr 2013 #20
Yes, it does Glitterati Apr 2013 #22
The party left us Nite Owl Apr 2013 #30
It's FAR worse than turning on us Glitterati Apr 2013 #31
You are ruining perfectly good outrage by suggesting a positive approach to JoePhilly Apr 2013 #25
Awwww, what's the matter? Glitterati Apr 2013 #26
You told you to sit down and shut up JoePhilly Apr 2013 #41
This is the progressive I fought to elect Glitterati Apr 2013 #43
Yea ... Sure you did. JoePhilly Apr 2013 #48
Keep it up Glitterati Apr 2013 #50
Oh no, one person ... JoePhilly Apr 2013 #54
LOL, soooo glad you're certain of that Glitterati Apr 2013 #55
Its easy to be certain ... JoePhilly Apr 2013 #59
I don't need to Glitterati Apr 2013 #64
Can you believe they are doing this again? treestar Apr 2013 #105
Its amazing isn't it. JoePhilly Apr 2013 #109
Whaaaaaaaa? Glitterati Apr 2013 #113
Worried that Republicans would win? treestar Apr 2013 #129
There ya go! Glitterati Apr 2013 #131
And shooting self in foot treestar Apr 2013 #130
Sorry, not Glitterati Apr 2013 #133
Dude might JoePhilly Apr 2013 #151
He is a she Glitterati Apr 2013 #153
2009 and still haven't exposed the TeaPubliKlans yet with this phony ploy? TheKentuckian Apr 2013 #154
ROFL, because they are part and parcel Glitterati Apr 2013 #155
staying home in 2014. I'm not going to bother voting Flashmann Apr 2013 #27
You're threats no longer work Glitterati Apr 2013 #29
Tell me again why I should vote for a Democrat? Flashmann Apr 2013 #32
You mean like THIS 'Democrat?' Glitterati Apr 2013 #33
Then don't vote.Your choice. Flashmann Apr 2013 #34
Thank you! Glitterati Apr 2013 #35
It's pretty hopeless when the billionaires and banksters own both parties duffyduff Apr 2013 #77
You're right, of course Glitterati Apr 2013 #80
Why don't you work on getting more progressive candidates to run... SidDithers Apr 2013 #36
ROFLMAO! Glitterati Apr 2013 #37
You know what? Glitterati Apr 2013 #38
... SidDithers Apr 2013 #39
Is that you Rahm? Glitterati Apr 2013 #40
He's not even in the country. Marr Apr 2013 #106
Still has not figured out that he's a cat toy JoePhilly Apr 2013 #42
Oh, honey, I get it Glitterati Apr 2013 #44
You really are not very good at this faux outrage stuff are you. JoePhilly Apr 2013 #47
You're just sooooooo smart! Glitterati Apr 2013 #51
kick JoePhilly Apr 2013 #52
Thank you Glitterati Apr 2013 #53
Because every FUCKING time we do, Sid, people like YOU are all lined the FUCK up to tell us Occulus Apr 2013 #78
See Ashley Judd Glitterati Apr 2013 #81
This message was self-deleted by its author SidDithers Apr 2013 #90
Involvement is posting on DU about how Democrats are not good enough treestar Apr 2013 #104
Lets steal your old age fund there, Terrance and Phillip. TheKentuckian Apr 2013 #157
It's a fact Oilwellian Apr 2013 #45
People were warned about this, but they rejected it and bought the media narrative duffyduff Apr 2013 #79
I am not a blue dog nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #46
No one is entitled Glitterati Apr 2013 #49
Did I disagree with you? Not quite nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #57
Look, I don't need lessons Glitterati Apr 2013 #60
Breaking news nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #63
No, I don't Glitterati Apr 2013 #65
Have a good life nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #67
Thanks! Glitterati Apr 2013 #70
It would be stupid to stay home treestar Apr 2013 #108
Too bad, so sad Glitterati Apr 2013 #112
So making things worse and further to the right treestar Apr 2013 #116
Oh hell, no Glitterati Apr 2013 #117
What? treestar Apr 2013 #121
You poor baby Glitterati Apr 2013 #123
That's your answer? treestar Apr 2013 #125
Yes, that's my answer Glitterati Apr 2013 #128
I agree with you 100% but still vote UBEEDelusional Apr 2013 #135
Write in is useless Glitterati Apr 2013 #136
Ahhhh stuck in GA UBEEDelusional Apr 2013 #140
My kids are here Glitterati Apr 2013 #142
Not for them but for you and the quality of life UBEEDelusional Apr 2013 #143
you are partially mistaken nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #119
Damn - we sure have a lot of low post count members that are starting and piling on in these threads tjwash Apr 2013 #56
Awwww, it's SUCH a massive conspiracy! Glitterati Apr 2013 #62
I'm pissed too, but the Supreme Court picks alone are enough to keep me voting. nt ZombieHorde Apr 2013 #58
Not me Glitterati Apr 2013 #61
The results of low turnout in local elections G_j Apr 2013 #66
This "Strategy" Worked So Well In 2010... KharmaTrain Apr 2013 #68
Perhaps Obama and Pelosi should consider that Glitterati Apr 2013 #69
So You'll Show Them... KharmaTrain Apr 2013 #71
Damn straight Glitterati Apr 2013 #72
And More Evils You Shall Get... KharmaTrain Apr 2013 #87
At least they won't have a D by their name Glitterati Apr 2013 #89
Good luck penetrating the ... 99Forever Apr 2013 #74
I'm sure Glitterati Apr 2013 #76
Which is why I vote issues instead of party or politician. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2013 #73
Amen, John Quincy Adams Glitterati Apr 2013 #75
did you vote Nader in 2000 Buffalo Bull Apr 2013 #82
Of course not Glitterati Apr 2013 #83
I did Buffalo Bull Apr 2013 #147
I couldn't Glitterati Apr 2013 #148
It bears a mild stigma Buffalo Bull Apr 2013 #158
see 2010 tabbycat31 Apr 2013 #85
Yes, see 2010 Glitterati Apr 2013 #86
Really? 99Forever Apr 2013 #88
I am one of those 'strategists' tabbycat31 Apr 2013 #127
So, long story short... 99Forever Apr 2013 #134
Exactly Glitterati Apr 2013 #137
you need the best candidate for the district. tabbycat31 Apr 2013 #144
Thanks... 99Forever Apr 2013 #145
Let me give you the name of a progressive in a DNC backed race this year tabbycat31 Apr 2013 #146
How come it is ok here to say you will not vote betterdemsonly Apr 2013 #91
Every six to eight years we go through this. When a better alterntive to the Dems comes around, leveymg Apr 2013 #92
Peruse your ballot closely. Le Taz Hot Apr 2013 #93
LOL, in my neck of the woods, it's Glitterati Apr 2013 #95
There's always write-ins. Le Taz Hot Apr 2013 #96
Yeah, well I'm not going to fight anymore Glitterati Apr 2013 #98
I dont get why when you elect Blue Dogs you are angry when they act like Blue Dogs davidn3600 Apr 2013 #99
That's the point, dear Glitterati Apr 2013 #101
The Republicans are very happy treestar Apr 2013 #102
Yes, Obama gave them political gold today Glitterati Apr 2013 #107
That's why Boehner looked like he was going to cry. JoePhilly Apr 2013 #110
ROFL, and that's why Carney was so happy Glitterati Apr 2013 #115
Get him a Dem Congress again in 2014 treestar Apr 2013 #111
Sorry, threats don't work any more Glitterati Apr 2013 #114
It is. treestar Apr 2013 #118
Not settling Glitterati Apr 2013 #122
Again 48% will vote Republican treestar Apr 2013 #124
Too bad, so sad Glitterati Apr 2013 #126
and we all lose in the end davidn3600 Apr 2013 #150
Instead of staying home, consider running for office. A bunch of us. ALL of us. At once. silvershadow Apr 2013 #132
The people I see heckling you Union Scribe Apr 2013 #138
They'll never get it Glitterati Apr 2013 #139
If democrats don't do something about education I'm out too. liberal_at_heart Apr 2013 #141
Today, I am feeling less and less like a Democrat. decayincl Apr 2013 #149
Blue dogs would be happy to become repugs senseandsensibility Apr 2013 #152

still_one

(91,964 posts)
1. For me I had no illusions, I voted Democratic because of the Supreme Court, and because as bad and
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 10:41 AM
Apr 2013

stupid as many Democrats in Congress are, compared to the republicans it is still the better choice.

Does that make me happy? NO

However, until progressive actually take back the party by winning local elections and moving up, not much will change

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
2. who's going to fund that local effort? not the democratic party. you're on your own,
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 10:42 AM
Apr 2013

'progressives'.

tblue

(16,350 posts)
12. The secret truth is they hate progressives
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 10:51 AM
Apr 2013

more than they hate Republicans. They couldn't care less about what we want. They've got other priorities and we are just in the way.

tblue

(16,350 posts)
23. Some of us don't think so
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 10:59 AM
Apr 2013

They believe a certain politician just can't help but dance the Blue Dog Jig because Republicans are so mean and unreasonable. He's forced, you see, to do these awful things he just hates doing.

 

Glitterati

(3,182 posts)
3. Nothing is going to change
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 10:43 AM
Apr 2013

as long as a Democrat is talking about screwing seniors.

They're driving voters AWAY from them, the only change we will see is 2010 writ large.

You think voters were angry over Obamacare? Just wait until the DEMs finish screwing with seniors.

You ain't seen nothin' yet.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
5. The voters who we're angry about Obamacare were ...
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 10:45 AM
Apr 2013

Tea Party whack jobs and Republicans who believed the lies told to increase Republican turnout.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
94. I'm angry about Obamacare
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 04:41 PM
Apr 2013

and I'm not a teaparty hack and neither are any of my friends/family who are also angry about Obamacare. I'm afraid the Party Faithful will be in for a HUGE shock at the backlash the Democratic party will experience in 2014.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
97. So you went to town halls and screamed ...
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 04:50 PM
Apr 2013

and then stayed home in 2010?

Or, are you a liberal who wanted Obamacare to do more and are angry that it does not?

And you voted in 2010. right?

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
100. I've voted every year since 1974
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 04:55 PM
Apr 2013

so, yes, I voted in 2010 as well. I did NOT want Obamacare because right now I'm not getting insurance coverage because I can't afford it. Right now that's free. Next year I get to pay to not have insurance. Yep, I'm pissed.

The point is, a lot of people hate the MANDATED insurance that will be foisted on us and they are not teabaggers, conservatives, Republicans or Randians.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
103. How will you "pay" to not have insurance?
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 04:58 PM
Apr 2013

The mandated insurance coverage includes subsidies for those who can't otherwise afford it.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
120. According to "Covered California" this is what their calculator gave me:
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 05:10 PM
Apr 2013

We'll be paying $380.00 a month with a $12,800 out-of-pocket expense PER YEAR. And get this -- out-of-pocket is described as the following:

The most you pay during a policy period (usually a year) before your health insurance or plan begins to pay 100% of the allowed amount. This limit never includes your premium, balance-billed charges or health care your health insurance or plan doesn’t cover. Some health insurance or plans don’t count all of your co-payments, deductibles, co-insurance payments, out-of-network payments or other expenses toward this limit. In Medicaid and CHIP, the limit includes premiums.

http://www.coveredca.com/

Those "subsidies" are in the form of a tax break and that's ONLY if your income is low enough to qualify. We won't but that doesn't mean we can afford the premiums either. It's estimated that the opt-out will be about $1500 for the both of us -- WAAAAAY cheaper than $4,560 ($380.00 X 12) PLUS the $12,800 out-of-pocket expenses for a grand total of $21,920 per year.

 

Glitterati

(3,182 posts)
6. Right. And the Senate. And the house.
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 10:46 AM
Apr 2013

And.......and.......and....

Voting for the least of the bad results in Nancy Pelosi saying chained CPI isn't a cut, it's just a "change" in how benefits are figured.

No. More.

Blue Dogs got the President they want. Good luck with that.

Call me when a real progressive runs for office.

DonCoquixote

(13,615 posts)
84. If I could make this op my signature
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 03:08 PM
Apr 2013

I would, it sums up my position perfectly,especially the part where the naders and Kuciniches all want to run for president, but they do not run for lesser offices that would make actualprofess (like mayors, governors, and even school board)

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
4. The effort to reduce turnout from the left continues.
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 10:44 AM
Apr 2013

If you were a real progressive, you'd step away from the key board and find the candidates you want.

Getting Dems to stay home is part of the GOP's strategy, not a true progressive's strategy.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
9. Sure, the way to teach the blue dogs a lesson, is to
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 10:48 AM
Apr 2013

give their seats to Republicans.

That'll teach'em.

 

Glitterati

(3,182 posts)
10. No difference
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 10:49 AM
Apr 2013

when you fight to put a Democrat in office so that they propose screwing seniors.

Good luck with that.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
19. That's a long way back.
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 10:56 AM
Apr 2013

But at least you picked a good old boy.

He was a Dixiecrat who was too dumb to know he was supposed to become a Republican.

In the end he went insane.

 

Glitterati

(3,182 posts)
24. And all the GA DEMs followed him
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 11:01 AM
Apr 2013

Bwahahahahahahahahahahhaha, the Minority Leader of the DEM party in Georgia switched parties the day after the 2012 election.

The LEADER of the party.

Tell me again where the differences lie?

Oh yeah, he was a Blue Dog.

TheKentuckian

(24,949 posts)
156. Way to blame the kicked dog for yelping. It is "Democratic Leadership"
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 08:18 PM
Apr 2013

that apparently has the big plan to kill turnout, I guess to help clean up the destroyed TeaPubliKlan brand enough for the show to go on. Can't risk dominance, even the firmest dangler and most obsessive wiper won't be able to spin the shenanigans to turnover control to the multinationals and funnel riches to the wealthy if the Democrats dominate.

How are you going to enrage voters to the polls? You aren't. The left has been trying to talk numbnut corporate sell outs from suiciding the party but folks like you just keep hollering that people aren't clapping hard enough to revive poor Tinkerbelle.

I have to wonder do you guys really think everyone is that stupid or are certain folks making such statements that challenged themselves.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
11. The backlash from this...
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 10:50 AM
Apr 2013

... may well damage the Democratic Party beyond repair.

I'm beginning to believe that was the plan all along.

 

Glitterati

(3,182 posts)
15. Yes, it will
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 10:52 AM
Apr 2013

Been there, done that. Look at Georgia.

Half the DEMs changed to the republican party once they got in charge in this state. They were "Blue Dog DEMs" which is nothing more than a Republican masquerading as a Democrat.

on edit:
Don't believe me? See Zell Miller.

 

Glitterati

(3,182 posts)
21. It is now
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 10:58 AM
Apr 2013

Turd Way Corporate Shills = Blue Dogs.

Let's see them win an election without progressives.

They know it's not possible.

Keep telling Progressives to sit down and shut up.

We will.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
28. I hear you, loud and clear.
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 11:13 AM
Apr 2013

For me, sitting down and shutting up isn't an option. Nor is not voting. But not voting for those that have fucked me over IS an option. That's the one I choose.

 

RC

(25,592 posts)
13. They've been doing it since 2000.
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 10:51 AM
Apr 2013

They'll will win with the Conservatives that think/say they are Democrats, voting for them.

DU has a bunch of that stripe. 3rd Way, Blue Dogs, Three dimensional chess explanations for caving. The various political 3rd way figure worshipers.

Hint people, just because you are to the Left of the Right-wing extremists does not automatically make you a Liberal, or even a Democrat.

nessa

(317 posts)
20. If you stay home, you have no voice. Find a progressive, even if you have to write him/her in.
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 10:57 AM
Apr 2013

If you stay home, they don't know you exist. They don't know if you are an angry republican, an angry dem or someone who just doesn't care. That doesn't send any kind of message.

 

Glitterati

(3,182 posts)
22. Yes, it does
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 10:59 AM
Apr 2013

It sends the message that I'm done fighting to vote in Republican Hell.

Staying home.

Finished.

Nite Owl

(11,303 posts)
30. The party left us
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 11:15 AM
Apr 2013

we didn't leave them. When the President refuses to listen and turns on us it would be like accepting abusive behavior. I'm not going to do that.

 

Glitterati

(3,182 posts)
31. It's FAR worse than turning on us
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 11:17 AM
Apr 2013

us "fucking retards" will get out of their way now.

The friction was laid bare in August when Mr. Emanuel showed up at a weekly strategy session featuring liberal groups and White House aides. Some attendees said they were planning to air ads attacking conservative Democrats who were balking at Mr. Obama’s health-care overhaul.

“F—ing retarded,” Mr. Emanuel scolded the group, according to several participants. He warned them not to alienate lawmakers whose votes would be needed on health care and other top legislative items.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
25. You are ruining perfectly good outrage by suggesting a positive approach to
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 11:04 AM
Apr 2013

solving a problem.

That is simply not allowed in a hair-on-fire OP about how terrible Dems are.

 

Glitterati

(3,182 posts)
26. Awwww, what's the matter?
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 11:07 AM
Apr 2013

It's dawning on you that Blue Dogs can't win without duping progressives?

That you've told us progressives to sit down and shut up one time too many?

This is the line in the sand for many, sweetie. And, the leader of the Democratic party just jumped right over it.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
41. You told you to sit down and shut up
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 01:26 PM
Apr 2013

What others (including me) have suggested is that you stand up and get loud to find real progressive candidates.

It's pretty clear what your intentions actually are, and getting a more progressive clearly is not part of it.

And that's the only reason I engaged you in the first place.

Enjoy your stay, Sparky.

 

Glitterati

(3,182 posts)
43. This is the progressive I fought to elect
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 01:37 PM
Apr 2013

Obviously, he's a liar.

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JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
48. Yea ... Sure you did.
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 02:17 PM
Apr 2013

Obama is not running in 2014.

Still can't name the blue dogs in Congress that upset you ... dead give away.

 

Glitterati

(3,182 posts)
55. LOL, soooo glad you're certain of that
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 02:27 PM
Apr 2013

THIS is why you're about to see 2010 writ large.

Blue Dogs so cocksure they can go it alone.............good luck with that.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
59. Its easy to be certain ...
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 02:31 PM
Apr 2013

of the truth.

No actual Democrat would want to see another 2010.

But we will take another 2012.

And that's what's going to happen. Lacking any ideas, the GOP has nothing to run on.

Their only hope is to try every method possible to suppress the vote.

 

Glitterati

(3,182 posts)
64. I don't need to
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 02:35 PM
Apr 2013

Obama and Pelosi are taking care of that.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/12/pelosi-im-not-thrilled-with-obamas-fiscal-cliff-proposal----but-its-not-a-benefit-cut.php

Pelosi was responding to a question about Obama’s main concession to House Speaker John Boehner: a measure called Chained CPI that would re-index Social Security payments to a lower level of inflation.

Though Chained CPI would reduce lifetime benefits relative to the current cost of living adjustment formula, Pelosi said she does not consider it a benefit cut.

“No, I don’t,” consider it a benefit cut, she said. “I consider it a strengthening of Social Security.”

treestar

(82,383 posts)
105. Can you believe they are doing this again?
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 05:00 PM
Apr 2013

I remember these posts from 2009. And they think we will fall for it again.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
109. Its amazing isn't it.
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 05:02 PM
Apr 2013

The OP has doubled his post count since this morning.

And sadly, some here still have not figured it out.

Amorphous outrage is the best kind.

 

Glitterati

(3,182 posts)
113. Whaaaaaaaa?
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 05:05 PM
Apr 2013

you Blue Dogs gettin' worried you can't carry the day?

You're right. You need all hands on deck or you lose.

Good luck with that.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
129. Worried that Republicans would win?
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 05:17 PM
Apr 2013

You're the one not worrying about that.

What an attitude. You're never going to get anywhere, ever, with anything. We don't need such hands on deck. We need people who will fight, not roll over for Republicans so they can get even more of the world they want.

But we know you are trying to discourage everybody with this stuff.



 

Glitterati

(3,182 posts)
133. Sorry, not
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 05:20 PM
Apr 2013

there's one issue with your idea.........

It's you Blue Dogs who hold Republican politics.

We're the "fucking retards," remember?

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
151. Dude might
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 06:51 PM
Apr 2013

... have a persecution complex.

First, he writes an OP in which he's basically going to sit down and shut the fuck up (by not voting).

Then, when people here suggest that he get UP and get involved finding true progressive candidates .... what does he hear??

"Shut the fuck up"

Sad really.

 

Glitterati

(3,182 posts)
153. He is a she
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 07:13 PM
Apr 2013

and that error follows with all the rest of yours.

But, there you go, Blue Dog. You have all the answers.

They'll come in handy when you need to win in 2014.

TheKentuckian

(24,949 posts)
154. 2009 and still haven't exposed the TeaPubliKlans yet with this phony ploy?
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 07:52 PM
Apr 2013

How do you guys keep spinning this fable and have the nerve to chastise folks for not believing it?

This is the plan, the multi-year dance is all about getting it through and possibly getting the TeaPubliKlans to take some of the blame or at least to piss off some of their partisan loyalists by getting a little revenue.

 

Glitterati

(3,182 posts)
155. ROFL, because they are part and parcel
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 08:00 PM
Apr 2013

of the Blue Dogs who created the meme.

The problem they are having is that less and less are falling for it.

Flashmann

(2,140 posts)
27. staying home in 2014. I'm not going to bother voting
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 11:12 AM
Apr 2013

It doesn't occur to you that for the real powers,those who own the politicians,your reluctance to vote is one of their desired results?To them,your non vote is as good as a vote FOR their agenda.

I've been of the opinion,for years,that part of their game plan is to muddy the politcal waters with so much bullshit,that it turns off voters to the point they do exactly what you might do.You will have effectively let them manipulate you into passively,by your own non-participation,support the very policies you,as a Dem,hate.They count on people like you disenfranchishing themselves.

 

Glitterati

(3,182 posts)
29. You're threats no longer work
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 11:14 AM
Apr 2013

We fell for it year after year.

The result is that Barack Obama is now enacting THEIR agenda for them.

Tell me again why I should vote for a Democrat?

Flashmann

(2,140 posts)
32. Tell me again why I should vote for a Democrat?
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 11:22 AM
Apr 2013

Why would you not?What is the alternative?

My threats?If you perceive any sort of threat in what I wrote,you have a problem,in a severe reading comprehension deficit.I merely suggested that you take a deep breath,pause and think.

 

Glitterati

(3,182 posts)
33. You mean like THIS 'Democrat?'
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 11:25 AM
Apr 2013

Pelosi was responding to a question about Obama’s main concession to House Speaker John Boehner: a measure called Chained CPI that would re-index Social Security payments to a lower level of inflation.

Though Chained CPI would reduce lifetime benefits relative to the current cost of living adjustment formula, Pelosi said she does not consider it a benefit cut.

“No, I don’t,” consider it a benefit cut, she said. “I consider it a strengthening of Social Security.”

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/12/pelosi-im-not-thrilled-with-obamas-fiscal-cliff-proposal----but-its-not-a-benefit-cut.php

Flashmann

(2,140 posts)
34. Then don't vote.Your choice.
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 11:31 AM
Apr 2013

Vote for the repub running for the same seat that wants to do much more damage.Don't vote at all.Either works toward the same end.Just man up and do one or the other,and do it without so much damn whining.As someone else already pointed out,that'll teach 'em!

 

duffyduff

(3,251 posts)
77. It's pretty hopeless when the billionaires and banksters own both parties
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 02:59 PM
Apr 2013

and pushing a discredited and debunked neoliberal agenda.

We are really screwed as a country because the vast majority of our elected officials in Washington are the enemies of the American people because they don't serve them.

 

Glitterati

(3,182 posts)
80. You're right, of course
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 03:01 PM
Apr 2013

they are using human beings as bargaining chips.

You just can't get any lower than that.

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
36. Why don't you work on getting more progressive candidates to run...
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 11:41 AM
Apr 2013

or is your involvement limited to voting once every 2 years? Let somebody else do it?

Sid

 

Glitterati

(3,182 posts)
37. ROFLMAO!
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 11:45 AM
Apr 2013

Now THAT'S funny!

They make all kinds of progressive promises while campaigning, then stab us in the back when in office.

 

Glitterati

(3,182 posts)
38. You know what?
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 12:34 PM
Apr 2013

You're quite the entitled little f*ck. I've worked my entire life to elect Democrats to office.

And, my "thanks" for that is to sit by and watch a man I admired, that I worked my ass off to get elected and re-elected, tell me to eat cat food while he cements his "legacy" at my expense.

Yes, it's someone else's turn to stand in line and get screwed by a Democrat. I've done it for a lifetime and I'm moving out of your way. Have a turn.

I'm old. I'm tired. And, I'm sick of being screwed royally by the people I supported.

Have. At. It.

Step. Up.

 

Glitterati

(3,182 posts)
40. Is that you Rahm?
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 12:40 PM
Apr 2013

I'm glad you find Seniors being forced to eat cat food so damned funny.

This "fucking retard" is stepping out of your way.

Your turn.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
106. He's not even in the country.
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 05:01 PM
Apr 2013

He's in Canada, IIRC. Pretty odd, admonishing others for 'not being involved enough'.

 

Glitterati

(3,182 posts)
44. Oh, honey, I get it
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 02:02 PM
Apr 2013

I'm just refusing to be your cat toy any longer. I'm reaching out with my claws and scratching your eyes out.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
47. You really are not very good at this faux outrage stuff are you.
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 02:16 PM
Apr 2013

Your sad little OP is competing with about 10 other "I'M OUTRAGED!!!!" OPs.

And as you can tell, no one is really paying attention to yours, other than a couple of us who decided it might be fun. And it has been.

If you are going to try and inflame outrage on the left, there are a few things you need to do.

1) You need a link to some topic that liberals care about. Its best to not use YAHOO or obvious right wing sites. Good sources are FireF=DogLake, Huffpo, or CommonDreams (a favorite DU outrage site)

2) A generic rant about unnamed blue dogs doesn't cut it. If you are going to rant about blue dogs you need to name a couple who are actually in congress now. Throwing out Zell Miller is a dead give away.

3) You need to pretend you care about some liberal causes so that when you respond to people, you can toss those in as a way to demonstrate how sincere you are.

If you don't follow these basic faux outrage principles, people will come to see what all the outrage is about, and then leave for a better place on DU to be outraged.

Last point ... one of the reasons I keep responsing to your OP and kicking it to the top is that doing so helps push other (far better prepared) faux outrage OPs down the list.


Occulus

(20,599 posts)
78. Because every FUCKING time we do, Sid, people like YOU are all lined the FUCK up to tell us
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 02:59 PM
Apr 2013

how "unelectable" they are, and then proceed to rub our noses in it by pledging YOUR support for... you guessed it... BLUE DOGS WHO, ACCORDING TO *YOU* AND EVERYONE LIKE YOU, ARE "ELECTABLE."

 

Glitterati

(3,182 posts)
81. See Ashley Judd
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 03:02 PM
Apr 2013

for the latest prime example that the biggest Blue Dog of all ran out of the race.

Response to Occulus (Reply #78)

treestar

(82,383 posts)
104. Involvement is posting on DU about how Democrats are not good enough
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 04:59 PM
Apr 2013

in every odd numbered year, threatening not to vote in mid-terms and letting Republicans win. This is just like DU2 in 2009.

TheKentuckian

(24,949 posts)
157. Lets steal your old age fund there, Terrance and Phillip.
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 08:30 PM
Apr 2013

Must be nice to snipe and guffaw with none of your skin in the game and pretty easy to cheerlead other people's future put up for phony ass grand bargains.

Look we get this is a cool game theory practice and a interesting hobby for you but this is OUR LIVES AND OUR MONEY, so it isn't fucking play time for us.

Why the hell don't you tend to your own affairs or is this your Harper victory lap?

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
45. It's a fact
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 02:11 PM
Apr 2013

If Democrats help Republicans destroy a main pillar of our party, there will be no party. It'll be in as much disarray as we see repubs in today. Of course, that IS part of the oligarchs plan and we all know who the Republicans and Third Way Democrats serve.

 

duffyduff

(3,251 posts)
79. People were warned about this, but they rejected it and bought the media narrative
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 03:00 PM
Apr 2013

It wasn't hard to figure out the Democratic Party has been infiltrated.

The last real Democrat who got the presidential nomination was John Kerry.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
46. I am not a blue dog
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 02:13 PM
Apr 2013

And I get it...why I am an independent.

But what you were told of finding the progressive and voting for him/ her sends far more of a message.

Regardless, you know where you should vote where it directly impacts you? No not the Federal elections you silly...if you are that bummed out, I get it...your local boards, your local judges...those elections matter a lot more than people think. You knw why? You want a progressive in Congress? Where do you think those politicians first run at?

So you want to give up on the Feds...sure whatever...I think you are correct by the way...many people will stay home...ths has miscalculation and throwing the base all over...but do get involved locally.

 

Glitterati

(3,182 posts)
49. No one is entitled
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 02:18 PM
Apr 2013

to play any kinds of games with people's lives.

Choosing between paying for a doctor visit instead of food is hard enough already.

He has no right to cause stress to old, sick people like me.

It's NOT kabuki for us - it's life and death.

I just spent 6 days without my meds because I couldn't stretch my social security check through a 5 week month.

Not. Fucking. Funny. Cute. or Smart.

Just. Stop!

I've worked my whole life to elect Democrats. Pardon me if I'm too tired to keep getting up while being kicked in the teeth by those same people day after day.

No. More.

Not. Another. Day.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
57. Did I disagree with you? Not quite
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 02:29 PM
Apr 2013

No. I just told you a real fact...you don't want to vote in federal elections...by all means. I gave up being a democrat a while back, because the party at senior levels has been back stabbing the base for years....decades even.

Where these illusory progressive pols cut their teeth, as well as republicans, blue dogs, and yes greens...is at those local boards nobody pays attention to, well except the media.

<----- we are it...so we pay attention to these lovely boards non seem to care about until...well...it affects their lives.

You know where the DLC started this take over effort of the democratic party? 1985. Care to look at a calendar and realize this will be a generational fight. It has been, and it starts at your local school board and city council.

Many of us, on the progressive side, have been urging "good democrats" to stop paying so much attention to the top and develop those political cadres at the bottom for now fifteen years...this is predictable.

Without that pressure from the bottom...well then.

And yes, this is politics 101 by the way.

 

Glitterati

(3,182 posts)
60. Look, I don't need lessons
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 02:32 PM
Apr 2013

What I need is a Democratic party that doesn't make me out to be a liar every time I try to convert a Republican voter.

Obama and Pelosi make it impossible to do anything at a local level when they give away social security.

I haven't a hope in hell of convincing anyone to vote for a DEM who will give away social security and everything else.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/12/pelosi-im-not-thrilled-with-obamas-fiscal-cliff-proposal----but-its-not-a-benefit-cut.php

Pelosi was responding to a question about Obama’s main concession to House Speaker John Boehner: a measure called Chained CPI that would re-index Social Security payments to a lower level of inflation.

Though Chained CPI would reduce lifetime benefits relative to the current cost of living adjustment formula, Pelosi said she does not consider it a benefit cut.

“No, I don’t,” consider it a benefit cut, she said. “I consider it a strengthening of Social Security.”

 

Glitterati

(3,182 posts)
65. No, I don't
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 02:36 PM
Apr 2013

not anymore.

Time for the Blue Dogs to step up. They can do it without us "fucking retards."

treestar

(82,383 posts)
108. It would be stupid to stay home
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 05:02 PM
Apr 2013

Because we in are in this mess since Republicans never stay home. With about 49% of the voters with them, that means they can run things because Democrats throw hissy fits because they don't get their way, allowing republicans to gain footholds (see 2010). Anyone who can't see that is not really a progressive, as I prefer to think of those as smart people.

 

Glitterati

(3,182 posts)
112. Too bad, so sad
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 05:04 PM
Apr 2013

that's why I'm staying home - because I'm NOT a republican and I don't vote for politicians who act like one.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
116. So making things worse and further to the right
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 05:09 PM
Apr 2013

is the answer? That's just silly. Deal in reality. Sarah effin Palin got 48% of the vote, was it? Nearly half the country is idiotic wing nuts, so let's give them even more power. Yeah that will cause progress.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
121. What?
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 05:11 PM
Apr 2013

If you really were a progressive, why would you do what would make things worse?

Sorry, I just hate attitudes like the one you express. It allows Republicans to make even more progress. They don't do this. They grab onto every bit of progress they make.

 

Glitterati

(3,182 posts)
123. You poor baby
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 05:12 PM
Apr 2013

you need more than Blue Dogs?

Yeah, sorry, I'm not enough of a "fucking retard" to keep pulling my weight while you folks call me names.

Enjoy.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
125. That's your answer?
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 05:15 PM
Apr 2013

I guess you'll be happy to let Republicans continue gerrymandering, proposing to make fetuses into persons and changing the electoral college so as to advantage the Republicans - let's have a Republican President too then. At least Blue Dogs can get elected and they don't cry about it when they have to deal with the Republicans.

 

Glitterati

(3,182 posts)
128. Yes, that's my answer
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 05:17 PM
Apr 2013

Now go pull your weight.

Oh, here's a clue.......you just aren't going to win many over to your side by calling them "fucking retards" and cutting their social security.



 

UBEEDelusional

(54 posts)
135. I agree with you 100% but still vote
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 05:26 PM
Apr 2013

even write in a name if you have to.

'Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost.'
John Quincy Adams

 

Glitterati

(3,182 posts)
136. Write in is useless
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 05:30 PM
Apr 2013

unless it's a qualified write in.

Georgia has the worst ballot access for write in candidates in the country.

If you write in an unqualified candidate, it's simply thrown out. No need to go to the polls.

 

UBEEDelusional

(54 posts)
140. Ahhhh stuck in GA
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 05:37 PM
Apr 2013

Now I understand.

Makes sense on your part.

You really should consider moving to a more liberal state, life is to short to live in such a place.

 

Glitterati

(3,182 posts)
142. My kids are here
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 05:39 PM
Apr 2013

my life is here.

Not moving. Especially not for the likes of Barack Obama and Nancy Pelosi after today.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
119. you are partially mistaken
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 05:10 PM
Apr 2013

When potus gets a mandate ovet his promose to defend the big three...this is not a hisifit

Parties change. As to the OP...he missed tne historic lesson, but so did you. The lesdons, mind you, are different

tjwash

(8,219 posts)
56. Damn - we sure have a lot of low post count members that are starting and piling on in these threads
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 02:28 PM
Apr 2013

Your concern is extremely touching...and FWIW, you are all very cute when you are mad.

That said...could the 4 members that are pulling this shit please put your fucking sock-puppets away? They are starting to get boring as hell.

KharmaTrain

(31,706 posts)
68. This "Strategy" Worked So Well In 2010...
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 02:37 PM
Apr 2013

...and with the possibility of the Senate falling to rushpublicans in 2014 staying home only plays into the teabaggers hopes. The way to get a bigger place at the table that progressives and liberals now lack is by having larger representation in Congress...building a stronger base that can be the makers and breakers on deals in Congress. Right now that doesn't exist and sitting home in 2014...where Obama's not on the ballot...is punishing possible additional progressive/liberal voices and votes...more seats at the table.

In 2010 many Democrats stayed home...and we're still dealing with the after-effects. Want even more teabaggers? Stay home in 2014. Want to hurt progressive/liberal causes, stay home and think you're "punishing" Democrats and end up with more budget slashers and right wingers.

There's a strong justification to feel pissed...I am as well, but the time to voice our objections is now. Email, send letters, make phone calls...let your representatives (especially Democrats) know what you feel. Instead of pouting and threatening to take your ball and go home...it's time to get in the game!

KharmaTrain

(31,706 posts)
71. So You'll Show Them...
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 02:50 PM
Apr 2013

...and help the rushpublicans get a bigger majority in the House and take the Senate. Knock yourself out...

KharmaTrain

(31,706 posts)
87. And More Evils You Shall Get...
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 03:34 PM
Apr 2013

I'm looking for people to get out in the streets...not hide in their basements. Best of luck to ya!

 

Glitterati

(3,182 posts)
89. At least they won't have a D by their name
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 03:37 PM
Apr 2013

I assume the republicans are going to screw me.

Now, I can quit hoping the DEMs won't help them.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
74. Good luck penetrating the ...
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 02:56 PM
Apr 2013

... Cone of Silence true believers use when you are saying something they just don't want to hear. Of course, when the Democrats get handed their ass in 2014, which becomes more likely with every betrayal, you'll make a convenient scapegoat for why they lose. Seems Democrats and Republican politicians have at least one thing in common, neither is EVER responsible for the results of the corrupt horseshit they pull. EVER!

Mark my words.

 

Glitterati

(3,182 posts)
76. I'm sure
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 02:58 PM
Apr 2013

For once, I'm going to sit back and enjoy watching the Blue Dogs get their asses handed to them.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
73. Which is why I vote issues instead of party or politician.
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 02:54 PM
Apr 2013

On some, I hold my nose. On others, I give my nose a break.

"Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost." John Quincy Adams

 

Glitterati

(3,182 posts)
83. Of course not
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 03:05 PM
Apr 2013

but it sure as hell didn't matter, did it?

Thanks, Supreme Court.

Hey, I can even post a picture of me and Al Gore at a private fundraiser!

Buffalo Bull

(138 posts)
147. I did
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 06:16 PM
Apr 2013


New York State was in Gore's column from day one.
My premise is as follows If You voted Gore with enthusiasm or if you voted Nader with regrets you would be most likely to vote for the blue dog.
My advice will be to vote for the Blue Dog. If a few more house seats the house GOP will be even more stubborn and in the Senate as well As far back as Gingrich the hard core right gained its clout in off year elections not in the Presidential years.
 

Glitterati

(3,182 posts)
148. I couldn't
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 06:21 PM
Apr 2013

but I supported Gore all the way. It was clear that W was a Cheney puppet and an idiot!

I wouldn't call it enthusiastic, but there was no way in hell I was going to "give" Georgia to Bush without a fight.

Buffalo Bull

(138 posts)
158. It bears a mild stigma
Sat Apr 6, 2013, 08:16 PM
Apr 2013



Ralph Nader had always been a hero. Even though New York was not contested, and I know no one in Florida, I feel I may have encouraged some misguided soul in the land of the dangling chad to vote for Ralph.

tabbycat31

(6,336 posts)
85. see 2010
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 03:21 PM
Apr 2013

There are some districts (there was a thread about rural voters last week) that are just not winnable by a progressive. Would you rather have a Blue Dog who votes with the party 85% of the time or a Republican and 0%. Take your pick. 2010 was the result of a lot of progressives staying home.


Not everywhere is San Francisco.

Disclaimer-- I work on campaigns for a living and frequently get sent to Blue Dog districts. I've seen this firsthand more than once. This is a hot button issue for me.

 

Glitterati

(3,182 posts)
86. Yes, see 2010
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 03:24 PM
Apr 2013

When Barack Obama and Nancy Pelosi gave away every liberal/progressive request in Obamacare.

We'll stay home.

And, honey, I live in Georgia. The birthplace of Blue Dogs.

And, now that the Republicans control Georgia, every one of those Blue Dogs changed parties. After they spent DEM party money to get re-elected.

Blue Dogs = Republicans in DEM clothing. And, the DEMs still get no "party votes" 85% of the time OR 1% of the time.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
88. Really?
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 03:35 PM
Apr 2013

Precisely how many of these supposed "blue dog districts" have ever had an actual progressive candidate ran with FULL Democratic Party support.

Here's the more likely scenerio, an actual progressive announces a bid for the Democratic nomination in a "blue dog district," the brilliant "strategists" at the DNC or DLC or Third Way Central cuts their legs out from under them before they barely get started.

Now, it's time for you to tell me that which I have witnessed with my own eyes, didn't really happen. Thanks in advance.

tabbycat31

(6,336 posts)
127. I am one of those 'strategists'
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 05:16 PM
Apr 2013

My job is to look at the raw numbers and figure out exactly how many votes that the Democrat needs to win and where those votes are coming from. In fact I am working on a spreadsheet of past district performance for a state assembly candidate right now. I then figure out who is going to vote, who is not going to vote, who is definitely for us, who is definitely for the GOP (that varies by state as many don't have partisan registration), and who is persuadable.

The last district I was in was a blue dog district, and my candidate was super progressive. Because it was a presidential year in a district the president got his ass handed to him in 2008 (and 2012's loss was 29 points), the DCCC did not pay attention to us, even though they should have. The incumbent was a freshman teabagger who took out a 28 year Blue Dog in 2010. One of those who stayed home happened to be an Obama staffer. Before I went to this district, I knew (from doing my homework and my interview) that it was a blue dog district and to tone down my own liberalness before coming here. At an early fundraiser, my candidate endorsed marriage equality (a poll was done this week and that district only has 31% support for marriage equality) and that resulted in a long meeting with the campaign manager telling him to tone it down and not to touch gay rights or abortion with a 10 foot pole. I also knew that the voters I were looking for were the ticket-splitters, as the presidential campaign would focus on the sporadic Democrats. We did not have the DCCC's support financially but we did have the support of the state party.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
134. So, long story short...
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 05:24 PM
Apr 2013

... no, an actual progressive never gets a shot with full Democratic Party support. Instead, they back only DINOs, because it's "safer."

Thanks.

tabbycat31

(6,336 posts)
144. you need the best candidate for the district.
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 05:54 PM
Apr 2013

In the district I worked in (which was referenced in the thread about rural voters), you needed a Blue Dog to win there. In other districts, that is not the case. There is limited resources that the national (and state parties) have. Due to the extreme gerrymandering of districts, they are not going to put $$ into a very Democratic district (where most of the progressives run) or a very Republican district (where the Democrat is seen as a sacrificial lamb). They look at the swing districts and the data about that particular district. As a staffer, I learned early on (I've been at this for 4 years now) that I am probably not going to work for a super progressive candidate that can run as one because if the seat is that safe, the candidate will not staff up.

However, if you look at the candidates with full party support in 2012, you will see people like Tammy Baldwin and Elizabeth Warren, who ran in DSCC targeted races. I would hardly call either one of them Blue Dogs. In 2010, I was sent by the DSCC to work on their targeted race for Jack Conway, who was as progressive as you can get for running in Kentucky (he was endorsed by DFA and MoveOn, hardly Blue Dog organizations).

A good example of a DCCC progressive who won in 2012 was Sean Patrick Maloney, who ran in the NYC suburbs. His district is a classic swing district that I am quite familiar with (I grew up there). In the district I was in (a rural, southern district bigger than New Jersey), he would be about as popular as Obama if not less popular (openly gay).

Here are the non-incumbent candidates that the DCCC officially backed in 2012. If you scroll down on that link, Alan Grayson's name is on there. http://www.dccc.org/pages/redtoblue

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
145. Thanks...
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 06:03 PM
Apr 2013

.. but save the same old tired excuses for someone else. "Conventional wisdom" is nothing more than an excuse for DINOs getting the big bucks to run on. We get it. You "campaign strategists" think we are stupid, too damn stupid to be offered the choices we actually want, so we get milquetoast, Republican Lite candidates instead. It's the same all the way up ladder, to the very top, and then we are stuck with someone claiming to be a DEMOCRAT offering up OUR hard-earned Social Security as a gift to the 1%.

You're going to have to find someone else to run your game by, 'cause this "player" is onto the scam.

tabbycat31

(6,336 posts)
146. Let me give you the name of a progressive in a DNC backed race this year
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 06:08 PM
Apr 2013

She could use all the support she can get as she has an uphill battle, in a progressive state. Her name is Barbara Buono and she's running for governor of New Jersey.

 

betterdemsonly

(1,967 posts)
91. How come it is ok here to say you will not vote
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 04:01 PM
Apr 2013

but not ok to vote third party? At least a third party voter isn't completely abdicating responsibly.

The truth is the Bluemutts and the "New Dummycrats" probably like the fact that you are not voting at all.

I will definitely vote for progressive dems. Social security privatizing types. Not.

I voted for Gore in 2000. Having said that Obama has proved lesser evil to be bogus. Romney could not have gotten a majority to support chained cpi. The dems would have fought him.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
92. Every six to eight years we go through this. When a better alterntive to the Dems comes around,
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 04:31 PM
Apr 2013

I'll think about it. Until then, it's hold my nose and learn to live with the stink of compromise and corruption.

 

Glitterati

(3,182 posts)
95. LOL, in my neck of the woods, it's
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 04:41 PM
Apr 2013

Republican, Republican Lite (Blue Dog DEM) and Neil Boortz wannabes.

Not much choice in Zell Miller Land.



Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
96. There's always write-ins.
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 04:46 PM
Apr 2013

I'm stuck in a purple part of California and I often have the same choices as you. I don't know if your state has an initiative process but in CA, even if I've no one from which to choose in local or even state races, there are always initiatives to vote on. Allow me to offer you a (modified) proverb: Those who do not vote are no better off than those who cannot vote. Something to think about.

 

Glitterati

(3,182 posts)
98. Yeah, well I'm not going to fight anymore
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 04:52 PM
Apr 2013

When I walk into a polling place and ask for a DEM ballot, I get laughed at by everyone in the place; made fun of. Yes, I live in republican hell - where they vote 90% R.

I don't have to endure that kind of bullshit to vote for someone like Barack Obama and Nancy Pelosi who are willing to throw me and my child, on survivor benefit social security for my deceased husband, to the wolves.

I have no reason to further endure that kind of pain to vote for these people, and I simply have no intention of doing it.

On top of that, my family doesn't go to the polls unless I hound them for weeks leading up to an election. I'm done. These are multiple DEM votes thrown out the window so that Barack Obama can have a legacy.

I wish him luck. But, that's all the DEMs will ever get from me. The Blue Dogs are going to have to carry the day - until they change parties, anyway.

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
99. I dont get why when you elect Blue Dogs you are angry when they act like Blue Dogs
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 04:54 PM
Apr 2013

No...they can't win without progressives. But chances are they also can't win without moderates.

So the moderates also get a say.

 

Glitterati

(3,182 posts)
101. That's the point, dear
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 04:56 PM
Apr 2013

I don't plan to help elect any more Blue Dogs.

Or anyone. I'm done. They're on their own.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
110. That's why Boehner looked like he was going to cry.
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 05:04 PM
Apr 2013

The prize is dangling before him, but he is unable to reach out and take it.

For the 20th time.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
111. Get him a Dem Congress again in 2014
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 05:04 PM
Apr 2013

And he won't have to do this shit to keep the government running. This is happening pure and simple because the Rs hold the house. And they never stay home. And they have the advantage of not caring if the government shuts down.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
118. It is.
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 05:10 PM
Apr 2013

If you want to look at it that way, it certainly is. You'll see the country pull to the right again. Well, if that's what you want. Republicans do not get in their own way like this.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
124. Again 48% will vote Republican
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 05:14 PM
Apr 2013

Your staying home gives them an advantage. It is not a matter of settling - individually we don't have the power to dictate but only the power to drop out. It's something the Republicans do not do. They are busy gerrymandering and winning state houses and proposing ridiculous bills (see NC and the religion). Because they don't do this crap.

Progressive candidates don't win because Progressives give up.

 

Glitterati

(3,182 posts)
126. Too bad, so sad
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 05:16 PM
Apr 2013

you might want to consider how many voters you alienate with name calling and stupid republican stances.

It's gonna bite you on the ass big time come 2014.

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
150. and we all lose in the end
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 06:39 PM
Apr 2013

The lesser of two evils results in the law of diminishing returns.

It's true with both sides. The country is stuck in a political deadlock. People are not voting FOR candidates....they are voting against candidates.

I see all the time people asking why would Republicans who are middle class or poor vote for Romney? Well they really don't like Romney very much. Romney's negatives were pretty high even within the GOP. They just hate Obama more for other reasons. Guns and religion for example.

Same reason many here admit they only voted for Obama because of the Supreme Court and to keep Romney out. So we are just as stupid.

If this is the way Americans vote every 4 years...I dont see how we can be surprised we never seem to have a president that represents the people. Our votes for our entire lives are based on keeping the other side out of power. George Washington warned us about this very clearly. He thought this is why political parties are rather dangerous to democracy. Instead of voting for ideas and for people, you are voting for a party whose ideology is controlled by a few elitists at the top. It's a herd mentality.

 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
132. Instead of staying home, consider running for office. A bunch of us. ALL of us. At once.
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 05:19 PM
Apr 2013

En Masse. If the Republicans can have their "tea party" wing, we can too. Heck, we already are. We need to field as many progressives as possible, and the strongest ones possible. Hoping that actually can happen.

Union Scribe

(7,099 posts)
138. The people I see heckling you
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 05:31 PM
Apr 2013

are the ones ruining the party along with Obama. They talk of games and posturing and playing chess with people's lives. They belittle people who are hurt or disappointed in our leaders. I don't believe in staying home on election day, but those accusing you of trying to depress turnout need to look at their own behavior--which is far more toxic than any despair.

 

Glitterati

(3,182 posts)
139. They'll never get it
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 05:33 PM
Apr 2013

They just don't understand that namecalling, belittling, ugliness is what turns voters away.

But, that's OK, we're the "fucking retards," not them.

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