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stupidicus

(2,570 posts)
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 09:02 AM Apr 2013

I'd like to celebrate BHO's successful duping of so many

into thinking he'd never ever consider putting SS on the table. It looks like the alleged ODS-sufferers and BHO-haters got it right on that one, assuming the ink is dry on his budget now. For a guy who asked that we keep his feet to the fire, he sure did inspire some of his supporters to fight some of us doing that with "tooth and nail", didn't he?

It includes a cut to Social Security benefits — "chained C.P.I.," which would change how benefit increases are indexed such that they would grow more slowly in most circumstances — that is regarded as anathema to Obama's progressive base.
http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/05/17614735-obama-budget-to-include-cuts-in-entitlement-programs?lite&ocid=msnhp&pos=2

Personally I think the cart was put a bit ahead of the horse on this one. Wouldn't an announcement that he's gonna approve the Keystone pipleline too before this announcement have been appropriate?

And what's with all the hinting? Is he trying to avoid disappointment overload on the part of too many?

Obama Hints at Approval of Keystone XL Pipeline at SF Fundraiser, Blames Middle Class Priorities
http://truth-out.org/buzzflash/commentary/item/17896-obama-hints-at-approval-of-keystone-xl-pipeline-at-sf-fundraiser-blames-middle-class-priorities
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I'd like to celebrate BHO's successful duping of so many (Original Post) stupidicus Apr 2013 OP
I'm sure this was a hard post for you bigtree Apr 2013 #1
but the user name is appropriate malaise Apr 2013 #3
yep, I've read that a lot from rightwingnuts over the last ten years and more stupidicus Apr 2013 #9
Much like anticipating that those who disagree with one's premise are merely dupes, LanternWaste Apr 2013 #15
what premise is that? stupidicus Apr 2013 #31
no, it was rather easy to compose and post stupidicus Apr 2013 #7
I'm curious as to why so many relatively new posters on a Dem board Sheepshank Apr 2013 #12
thanks for validating the existence of the "Obama-hate" charges stupidicus Apr 2013 #19
...speaking of validation.... Sheepshank Apr 2013 #30
yet you can't identify how I achieved it, as your "Obama-hater" charge undeniably did stupidicus Apr 2013 #32
one need look no further than the title of your OP Sheepshank Apr 2013 #39
thanks for conceding the validity of my observations and accompanying remarks stupidicus Apr 2013 #41
omg...your response is nothing more that "..but what are you" 3rd grade comback. Sheepshank Apr 2013 #45
I fucking give up newfie11 Apr 2013 #2
Don't do that stupidicus Apr 2013 #10
Me, too Glitterati Apr 2013 #17
I'm with you! I'm tired. Sick to death of being lied to. DearHeart Apr 2013 #43
BHO haters? Hate is a strong word. JaneyVee Apr 2013 #4
tell it to those who posted it in this thread stupidicus Apr 2013 #22
You should probably just go ahead and spell out "Hussein"... tridim Apr 2013 #5
right, like I should for FDR, LBJ, JFK, etc stupidicus Apr 2013 #11
Speculative outrage is the best outrage...nt SidDithers Apr 2013 #6
Looks like it's becoming less speculative by the day whatchamacallit Apr 2013 #8
indeed, some will have to see it in writing stupidicus Apr 2013 #14
Because we all know that you don't want to look foolish being late with your outrage. Silent3 Apr 2013 #24
This is about the 6th or 7th hair-on-fire session on this exact topic today. JoePhilly Apr 2013 #23
And about the thousandth hair-on-fire session in the past few months. tridim Apr 2013 #33
I've encountered at least 3 more since I posted above. JoePhilly Apr 2013 #34
So I guess Paul Krugman is one of them, too? Glitterati Apr 2013 #40
What, you mean that people don't choose their opinions randomly every day? Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2013 #44
My line in the sand is PELL grants. Getting ready to go back to school. nt Comrade_McKenzie Apr 2013 #13
Sorry, college students. President Obama has cut your access to Pell Grants by 33%; he just HiPointDem Apr 2013 #16
You're just now catching on? Arctic Dave Apr 2013 #18
no stupidicus Apr 2013 #25
They did it to themselves kenny blankenship Apr 2013 #20
no doubt dude stupidicus Apr 2013 #27
I take it ProSense Apr 2013 #21
My my, what a horrible effort at subject-changing stupidicus Apr 2013 #29
We've heard this all before and nothing has happened Renew Deal Apr 2013 #26
No doubt, that's why he's out their denying it front of the cameras right now stupidicus Apr 2013 #28
LOL!! JoePhilly Apr 2013 #35
Yeah, he says 'make me do it' ... Myrina Apr 2013 #36
+1 He only hears those with $$$$$$$ forestpath Apr 2013 #38
Yep, sure looks like the "DS" is on the other foot, huh? forestpath Apr 2013 #37
I've been away from this news for a while, exactly when did he do this? Whisp Apr 2013 #42
 

stupidicus

(2,570 posts)
9. yep, I've read that a lot from rightwingnuts over the last ten years and more
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 10:15 AM
Apr 2013

usually in lieu of an intelligent or even intelligible topical response

that's why I chose it so long ago, in anticipation of their need for an easy out

I'm sure of course though, that you're not a rightwingnut and that your intent was positive and totally supportive

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
15. Much like anticipating that those who disagree with one's premise are merely dupes,
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 10:23 AM
Apr 2013

"in anticipation of their need for an easy out..."

Much like anticipating that those who disagree with one's premise are merely dupes, rather than allowing for any other possibilities. I do see the conveniences and simplistic ease in that too...

However, I have no doubt that in real life, you don't hold yourself to a lower ethical standard than you hold others.

 

stupidicus

(2,570 posts)
31. what premise is that?
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 10:48 AM
Apr 2013

I made the very narrow case regarding a nic selection based on the predictability of rightwingnuts.

your efforts to widen that into areas outside of that with things that are tangetial at best, but that don't undermine the central point in any way, is also a common rightwingnut tactic.

If those of us that expressed concerns and criticized what we thought was a clear intent on the part of BHO to put such "on the table" makes us ODS-sufferers and Obama-haters -- the "premise" I've yet to see you criticize, but have an opportunity to here in this thread -- then surely the much less insulting "dupes" designation is tolerable and unworthy of such scorn that it seems to have generated in you.

My comment "in anticipation of their need for an easy out..." has nothing to do with any of the rest of this, and is applicable solely/only to those who'd make my nic the subject, as opposed to what I posted.

 

stupidicus

(2,570 posts)
7. no, it was rather easy to compose and post
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 10:06 AM
Apr 2013

given the level of disappointment I've shared with many here over this issue, going way back before the election.

Maybe some of those dupes I referred to got a dose of it finally too

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
12. I'm curious as to why so many relatively new posters on a Dem board
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 10:20 AM
Apr 2013

are starting so many hate Obama threads? And then respond on their own OP's with increasingly deragatory remarks. And why so many of them are slapping each other on the back of the head in some sort of strange congratulatory praise?

It just seems weird lately........or maybe not?

 

stupidicus

(2,570 posts)
19. thanks for validating the existence of the "Obama-hate" charges
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 10:29 AM
Apr 2013

like criticising him over things like SS or Keystone can be explained ONLY by the existence of some mindless and burning hate. If that's the case, there sure are gonna be a lot of BHO-haters before this is through, no?

that's the same kinda BS the Bushbots use to use to explain the criticisms of him.

and actually, I've been reading this board for almost a decade now, and only started participating last year pretty much because of these issues.

ANd that's odd, because most of the derogatory remarks seem to come first from the "you're an Obama-hater" crowd, who then whine when they get a little pushback

please continue

 

stupidicus

(2,570 posts)
32. yet you can't identify how I achieved it, as your "Obama-hater" charge undeniably did
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 10:51 AM
Apr 2013

the baseless, hollow declaration is also a tactic in widespread use by rightwingnuts as well.

There really is a great deal many things of this sort they don't have a monopoly on.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
39. one need look no further than the title of your OP
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 11:26 AM
Apr 2013

...and yet you continue.

Perhpas you could point me to several or consistent posts....the earlier in your tenure the better, where you were once upon a time an actual supporter?

 

stupidicus

(2,570 posts)
41. thanks for conceding the validity of my observations and accompanying remarks
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 06:13 PM
Apr 2013

there's nothing wrong with the title -- anyone that vehemently denied that BHO ever put such "on the table" prior to now, and particularly those who've gone outta their way with name-calling, etc in an effort to silence the concerns over or criticisms of it, are particularly guilty of the charge.

I have no duty to search my posts to accommodate such a request, and particularly from the likes of you. It's not my fault so many around here seem to lack the intellectual heft or integrity, or lack the mental acuity, to resolve criticisms and otherwise supporting into the two separate and distinct things that they assuredly are.

look it up yourself

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
45. omg...your response is nothing more that "..but what are you" 3rd grade comback.
Sat Apr 6, 2013, 02:12 PM
Apr 2013

of course you won't search your own threads....there's is nothing you can find that fits a pro Dem Agenda, much less a Pro Obama statment. I honestly didn't expect anything.


bwahhh ahha hhaaa..."...particularly from the likes of you". Fail.

You label yourself an intellectual by default...ok, that now is hillarious.

newfie11

(8,159 posts)
2. I fucking give up
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 09:09 AM
Apr 2013

Can you ever believe what a politician says? Silly me I thought Obama had the best interest of the American people.

Silly me.
I am PISSED!

 

Glitterati

(3,182 posts)
17. Me, too
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 10:27 AM
Apr 2013

We talk, beg, plead, cajole until we're blue in the face.

And, then they do what the hell they want anyway.

I'm done. There's simply no reason to fight to vote, deal with Republicans trying to take away my vote, stand in horrendous lines, be attacked when I ask for a DEM ballot in Republican hell, just to have my own party betray me over and over.

I'm finished.

Blue dogs can thank me now for staying home in 2014. I'm not going to bother voting, nor will I cajole my family into going to the polls.

Let's see the Blue Dogs win an election without Progressives.



DearHeart

(692 posts)
43. I'm with you! I'm tired. Sick to death of being lied to.
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 06:20 PM
Apr 2013

Americans now have the government that we deserve (not all of us, but the majority)! Most people are too friggin lazy, stupid, and ignorant! They don't give a shit about what's happening; if they did, they'd be out in the streets...by the millions! They'd be calling their Congressmen/women, their Senators, the White House, LTTE, etc, but instead, they're watching DWTS, American Idol, Lockup, Duck Dynasty, Honey Boo Boo, etc.

I'm tired of nobody else giving a shit!

 

stupidicus

(2,570 posts)
22. tell it to those who posted it in this thread
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 10:30 AM
Apr 2013

I've long thought so too. That's why I've long been telling them, it's not those of us who've expressed concerns or criticised BHO over things like this that are the divisive ones, it is them.

tridim

(45,358 posts)
5. You should probably just go ahead and spell out "Hussein"...
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 09:12 AM
Apr 2013

instead of just using our president's initials.

You'll get more troll points for that.

 

stupidicus

(2,570 posts)
11. right, like I should for FDR, LBJ, JFK, etc
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 10:19 AM
Apr 2013

you'll likely get more racist points from some for suggesting the black guy doesn't rank up their with any of them

whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)
8. Looks like it's becoming less speculative by the day
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 10:11 AM
Apr 2013

Soon you'll have to toss that pithy line and crawl under a rock.

 

stupidicus

(2,570 posts)
14. indeed, some will have to see it in writing
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 10:21 AM
Apr 2013

before they'll believe what that "liberal" media has reported.

Maybe it's just me, but I'd think if they got their reporting wrong on such a high profile and important matter, that he'd be out their correcting them by now.

Maybe the chess guy just doesn't think that far ahead.

Silent3

(15,018 posts)
24. Because we all know that you don't want to look foolish being late with your outrage.
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 10:32 AM
Apr 2013

Only by anticipating causes for outrage, and getting that outrage stoked up early, can you prove to yourself and the world that you were way too smart to be duped!

tridim

(45,358 posts)
33. And about the thousandth hair-on-fire session in the past few months.
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 10:56 AM
Apr 2013

The content of these SS/Medicare outrage!!!!11 posts never changes. The Obama bashers are always the same screen-names and they're ALWAYS on the same page right out of the gate.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
34. I've encountered at least 3 more since I posted above.
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 10:58 AM
Apr 2013

And the low post count trolls have caught on and joined in the various circle jerks.

 

Glitterati

(3,182 posts)
40. So I guess Paul Krugman is one of them, too?
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 12:01 PM
Apr 2013

Yeah, it's just a grand conspiracy of low count posters......

Good luck with that.

Donald Ian Rankin

(13,598 posts)
44. What, you mean that people don't choose their opinions randomly every day?
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 06:32 PM
Apr 2013

You say "it's always the same people" as though you think it should be different people each time, and that having a consistent opinion is a bad thing...

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
16. Sorry, college students. President Obama has cut your access to Pell Grants by 33%; he just
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 10:26 AM
Apr 2013

forgot to mention it before Election Day.

During the recent campaign, President Obama claimed credit for increasing funding to the Pell Grant program, which provides college funds, free from repayment, to millions of students. However, an email sent out Tuesday to some Dallas college students is revealing a detail the President forgot to mention: the time a student can receive a Pell Grant has been cut, by as much as three years. With Pell Grants for the fall semester now dispersed, colleges are informing students of their options, bringing the cuts to light.

The email, sent out by the Dallas County Community College District, informed students of the changes to the Pell Grant program. It revealed that the number of semesters a student could receive a Pell Grant had been cut from 18 semesters down to 12. It is a detail likely unknown to most students; in fact, the cut in grants has gone largely unreported by the media.

http://www.examiner.com/article/college-students-learn-of-obama-s-secret-pell-grant-cuts

 

Arctic Dave

(13,812 posts)
18. You're just now catching on?
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 10:27 AM
Apr 2013

His entire presidency has been, I would do the right thing but the republicans might get made at me so I will keep doing what they want to do.

 

stupidicus

(2,570 posts)
25. no
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 10:32 AM
Apr 2013

I've been battling those I referred to in this OP over this from practically my first day here, and other dem/lefties elsewhere since 2009

kenny blankenship

(15,689 posts)
20. They did it to themselves
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 10:29 AM
Apr 2013

on his behalf. Always the bridesmaid, they would have blinkered themselves and taken up pom-poms and jackboots for some scoundrel or other.

 

stupidicus

(2,570 posts)
27. no doubt dude
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 10:35 AM
Apr 2013

I'm inclined to think that age is a determining factor as to which side most fall on.

In some respects this has been a repeat of the fights during the Clinton years.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
21. I take it
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 10:29 AM
Apr 2013

"I'd like to celebrate BHO's successful duping of so many"

...you didn't approve of these two threads?

Duped into voting for President Obama?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022594997

Celebrating Obama's Nobel Peace Prize and his efforts in the spirit of the award.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022607435



 

stupidicus

(2,570 posts)
29. My my, what a horrible effort at subject-changing
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 10:37 AM
Apr 2013

although we've already established that is your biggest strong suit, so it was anticipated

Myrina

(12,296 posts)
36. Yeah, he says 'make me do it' ...
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 11:03 AM
Apr 2013

... and then ignores the protestors (or lets them get arrested, in the case of Occupy) and goes right on with whatever he and the ol boys club in DC has on the corporate agenda.

Keystone XL? Check.
Backing down from addressing climate change? Check.
Privatizing and standardizing K-12 education? Check.
Dismantling Social Security & Medicare? Check.
Not closing tax loopholes for the 1%? Check.
No assault weapons ban? Check.
Ramped up hostility towards Iran & N. Korea? Check.


On all of these things (save the last one, probably) he has been widely & loudly 'advised' by those who voted for, campaigned for, or funded him ... and many in the Dem Senate ... what it is the PEOPLE WANT and yet he's acting like he's not heard a peep.

 

forestpath

(3,102 posts)
37. Yep, sure looks like the "DS" is on the other foot, huh?
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 11:04 AM
Apr 2013

And it would almost be comical - if the lives and health of so many vulnerable people weren't at risk now thanks to Obama's appeasement of Republicans.

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
42. I've been away from this news for a while, exactly when did he do this?
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 06:16 PM
Apr 2013

and how many times now?

is this a sequel to Groundhog Day?

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