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A couple attending a baseball match learned a little about each other - perhaps a little bit too much about each other - after a home run ended up hitting a woman in the face.
That would be unfortunate enough. What made it worse was that the ball was about to hit her boyfriend until he dived out of the way to leave her in the firing line.
The pair were at the match between the St Louis Cardinals and the Arizona Diamondbacks - and the Cardinals' Peter Kozma was busy doing his job and hitting the ball out of the park.
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As the excitement died down and it emerged that the woman was not seriously hurt, the St Louis announcer Al Hrabosky summed things up: "Nice goin', boyfriend".
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs/world-of-sport/chivalry-dead-man-jumps-way-leaving-girlfriend-hit-122417024.html includes video.
Behind the Aegis
(53,921 posts)Should he have taken the beaner to the face?
dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)coming at my face full force from 22 yards away the least he could've done was try to catch it..
Behind the Aegis
(53,921 posts)What is the volocity of a cricket ball from 22 yards and a baseball from...do you know the distance? Would it make a difference if the ball had hit his buddy's face?
dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)this was a home run ball...there's not a lot of energy left in the ball at the 'end' of its flight...I've NEVER seen someone FLEE from a home run, and even if the dude had no athletic inclination whatsoever, he could have at least blocked/deflected/covered his girlfriend...
You're making it sound like he was sitting on the 3rd base foul line and a line-drive screamer came his way (and guess what, baseball fans still one-hand those all the time)
malaise
(268,717 posts)Fugging coward
Behind the Aegis
(53,921 posts)Fugging idiot
malaise
(268,717 posts)The fugging coward and the fugging idiot.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Behind the Aegis
(53,921 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)even if just pushing her out of the way.
OTOH, why wasn't she facing forward, so she would see balls coming her way? Odd.
octothorpe
(962 posts)teehee
malaise
(268,717 posts)The phones appear to be smarter than the peeps at the grounds.
My father taught us early on cricket grounds- watch the ball.
A friend told me that he saw an Ipad shattered at a cricket ground and only when it was hit did the user look up
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Or have taken her down with him. What a coward! She could not have seen what was coming if he was in her way.
Bake
(21,977 posts)Bake
Do you think he opened the car door for her
Bake
(21,977 posts)I certainly hope so!
Bake
malaise
(268,717 posts)Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)Comrade_McKenzie
(2,526 posts)unreadierLizard
(475 posts)If you do something nice, it's sexism.
If you don't do anything at all, it's sexism.
Honestly, who cares? Human beings are driven by self-interest. I'm sure this couple honestly has better things to do then argue about the fact he didn't take a baseball to the face for her.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)going by the way I've reacted instinctively in the past to things, though not exactly that. I think men have more that sort of instinct than women.
Remember the guy in the theater when that loony bird shot and killed so many people? The guy was holding his gf's baby, but when the shooting started, he instinctively dropped her or put her down & ran out to save himself, leaving the crying baby on the floor to be shot or trampled on. The baby ended up being okay (someone else picked him up and ran out of the theatre with the baby). I KNOW I wouldn't do that. My instinct would be to get an infant out...then for myself. I think most people, esp women, would instinctively react that way.
Sharpie
(64 posts)I'm sure that is what was on his mind...
MinneapolisMatt
(1,550 posts)Comrade McKenzie!
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)JI7
(89,241 posts)msongs
(67,361 posts)oldhippie
(3,249 posts)That's not going to go over well.
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)wasn't paying attention to what was going on around her.
I'm amazed that people in this thread are picking on that guy because he didn't catch the ball. She should have caught it.
Arkansas Granny
(31,507 posts)instinctively move out of the way of an object hurtling toward his head. It's too bad his girlfriend didn't move quickly enough, as well.
siligut
(12,272 posts)He moved. It was instinct. He then immediately went back to check on her. Announcer was wrong to call him out. He did what anyone would do.
pnwmom
(108,959 posts)boguspotus
(286 posts)Jeez, give people a break, he moved out of instinct. He was right there when the baseball hit her. I don't think he's an evil, coward, sexist scumbag.
trumad
(41,692 posts)I use to work with a guy who called football games "matches". I wanted to smack him silly.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)blueamy66
(6,795 posts)Use the correct terminology.
No self-respecting US sports writer would ever call a football, basketball or baseball game a "match".
He also called the Carolina Panthers the Carol-een-a Panthers.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)They have their "correct terminology" in the UK, too and there they say "match", even when reporting on American sports...
blueamy66
(6,795 posts)bottom line....Americans call it a football game...so, if you're speaking of an American football game, call it as such...if you're speaking of a cricket game, call it a match....done and out
McDiggy
(150 posts)...and another example of female privi...er, I mean benevolent sexism (sorry, forgot that I have to use the proper euphemisms here). This dude is expected to risk his own body to save a woman from potential physical harm. Reverse the sexes and its not even a story. Actually, people would probably laugh at it. When people wonder why in the world MRAs exist, its stuff like this. It perpetuates the societal expectation of male disposability for the sake of women. Men are expected to relieve themselves of patriarchal benefits, but hold on to patriarchal responsibilities. This is a perfect example of such. "How dare you protect yourself by jumping out of the way of a baseball traveling 150MPH. There is a WOMAN behind you!"
In a true egalitarian society, this "man must protect woman" thing wouldn't exist. The US still has a long way to go. If you care about womens' rights, this is the stuff you need to fight against, too. Because otherwise, many men will never get on board if they see nothing but less benefits, yet still heightened responsibility out of it. Less benefits, but less responsibility, especially via-a-vis the sacrifice of ones physical well being...that flies much better.
JI7
(89,241 posts)MadrasT
(7,237 posts)I would have too. It is unfortunate the woman was hit but it isn't his fault.
The idea he somehow dissed his girlfriend is ridiculous.
Fuck chivalry.
Sharpie
(64 posts)Sorry about those robbers honey but you're on your own...
The guy is a wimp and deserves every bit of mocking that he gets.
randome
(34,845 posts)And for not trying to 'save her man'.
Silly girls.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)was in the way? Perhaps she was not stupid, she was just taken off guard.
randome
(34,845 posts)I agree with you.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)It just seem like a lot of people here are ganging up against the girlfriend and I think that seems unfair.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)MadrasT
(7,237 posts)Fuck chivalry. It shouldn't exist.
EOTE
(13,409 posts)What the hell was she thinking? At least the man had a lick of sense. Maybe next time a ball is hurtling at her face, she won't be so stupid.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)didn't duck out of the way?
EOTE
(13,409 posts)I assume the girlfriend has eyes and ears and could see the trajectory of the ball. Or is she just a poor widdle womyn who must rely on her protector boyfriend to keep her safe? And I'm just going to take a guess that you're one of those who gets all up in arms regarding tripe such as "benevolent sexism". Don't worry, I'm sure there will be a big burly man to protect you from yourself any minute now.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)What are you? 12?
EOTE
(13,409 posts)This from the person who insists a man needs to risk his own health because his girlfriend is too stupid to protect her own? I'm going to take a wild guess here and assume you also get offended when men hold doors open for you.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)I just think that men should be polite to women, and vice versa.
EOTE
(13,409 posts)for having the nerve to not want to get injured. And then calling another man a child for having the audacity to point that out. You may consider that polite behavior, but most people would consider that the behavior of a sexist ass.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)That is all I have to say to you.
EOTE
(13,409 posts)While mine are juvenile, patriarchal insults.
I would find your hypocrisy hilarious if I weren't so damned accustomed to it in threads like these.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)I am not hurling insults. Please read my comments and understand that I am not insulting you. I am just asking you to back off on your juvenile behavior.
EOTE
(13,409 posts)And suggesting that a man is a coward for having a sense of self preservation isn't an insult to all men?
It's incredibly hypocritical for you to suggest that my behavior is juvenile with the infantile behavior you're engaging in. Don't worry, there are plenty of misandrists for you to pal around with here, just don't expect everyone to swallow your tripe whole.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Sorry about that. But you seem quite bitter towards women. I would suggest that you tone it down a bit. You really do come on quite harsh.
EOTE
(13,409 posts)I'm quite bitter towards women? Funny you don't think calling a man a coward and a wimp for having the nerve to not get his face smashed in by a ball is being bitter toward them. I have no qualms with the woman being too slow and inattentive to move away from the ball. But to slam the man for having common sense is just the most insidious form of sexism. I would suggest that you tone it down a bit.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)Chivalry and equality are incompatible.
Sharpie
(64 posts)There are differences between the genders and to pretend otherwise is silly...
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)galileoreloaded
(2,571 posts)Bake
(21,977 posts)And taken the ball home as a souvenir! That's what any self-respecting baseball fan would have done!
Bake
MattBaggins
(7,897 posts)Sharpie
(64 posts)... and not a grenade.
Everyone has fight or flight response but he lacks the ability to control his and his gf paid the price.
EOTE
(13,409 posts)I guess she both lacked the skills to avoid the ball or to catch it. At least her boyfriend had the good sense to move out of the way. Maybe he should be looking for a girlfriend who doesn't have the reflexes of a sloth.
Sharpie
(64 posts)Who isn't so scared...
EOTE
(13,409 posts)The husband may have been scared that he was going to get clocked by a baseball, but at least he had the good sense to move out of the way. Trust me, it's absolutely no fun living with a stupid person.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)HappyMe
(20,277 posts)He was saved from being called a sexist, and she was saved from benevolent sexism.
oldhippie
(3,249 posts)nt
lunatica
(53,410 posts)and it perpetuates the so-called war of the sexes that so many want to keep alive.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Who doesn't try to catch the home run ball? Who jumps out of the way of a home run ball? My seven year old daughter would try to catch that ball (I know, because she's done it before in Wrigley). I'm simply amazed by his reaction, and by the comments on this thread. This wasn't a hard hit foul ball zooming at somebody behind the first base dugout, fer chrissakes. It was a looping home run ball to deep center. I'm trying to imagine the mentality of somebody who knows and cares enough about baseball to go to a game and get those seats, but doesn't try to catch the ball - indeed, jumps away from it. I can't put all those things together. This is one of the weirdest videos I've ever seen. He jumps out of the way of a home run ball? Whaaaaat?!?
DanTex
(20,709 posts)I don't know much about baseball.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)MattBaggins
(7,897 posts)isn't the same for everyone.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)is the possibility of catching a home run ball . . .
fucking duh, catch the ball!
mattclearing
(10,091 posts)snooper2
(30,151 posts)LOL
TheMightyFavog
(13,770 posts)A Brewers fan would never have done this.
egduj
(805 posts)considering that's where they were playing.
Javaman
(62,504 posts)that's the real failure.
He had a golden opportunity to catch the ball!
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)around 13-14 years old?
Real MEN can handle the hot ones...
UncleYoder
(233 posts)I take my kids (grandkids now) to the game. We like to sit along the first base line. I sit in the seat closest to home plate WITH MY GLOVE ON. There is no way I'm letting a line drive foul hit one of them.
Javaman
(62,504 posts)not the brightest move in the world.
JVS
(61,935 posts)So assuming anything but the faintest familiarity with a well-hit ball would probably be a mistake. The balls are slow and soft by the time they reach the crowd at PNC park.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)same principle, though
JVS
(61,935 posts)I used to take my glove to three rivers until I was about 12. Then the team became horrendous and I can't imagine needing the glove.
Duer 157099
(17,742 posts)I sitll bring mine to hide under!!
I do. If a ball is coming my way, the glove goes in front of my face.
AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)Maybe a full Ronnie Woo-Woo uniform?
Javaman
(62,504 posts)such hate on a mild snarky comment.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Mike Daniels
(5,842 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)the man ducked and the chair hit his loudmouth wife.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)AsahinaKimi
(20,776 posts)and in the aisle before that ball came. He could have told her to look out.. If I was her, I would be attending future ball games with my girl friends.. seriously!
brewens
(13,542 posts)If nothing else, you're wearing a hat and prepared to use that. Most ten year old kids would have made the play. What a wuss!
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)brewens
(13,542 posts)I saw Willie Mays or someone do it in warmups or spring training once. Camp under the ball and instead of the usual Willie Mays basket catch, whip the hat off and use the hat!
exboyfil
(17,862 posts)movie theater shooting who not only left his baby, his girlfriend, and the girlfriend's young child. He then proceeded to hop in his car and drive away. A good samaritan a few years younger than the girlfriend helped her and the kids out of the theater. She later accepted her boyfriend's proposal of marriage. I though she would do a lot better with the good smaritan (or almost anyone else in my opinion).
RiffRandell
(5,909 posts)At least he didn't do this---total assholes:
onpatrol98
(1,989 posts)Wow! If you're the clueless couple in the video you're embarrassed for life.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)In the real world, bodyguards are paid for their services.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)He could have taken his girlfreind down with him - that was the the sensible option.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)cbdo2007
(9,213 posts)She should have moved out of the way like her boyfriend did.
randome
(34,845 posts)You know how sermons are. And since some think of baseball as akin to worship, well...
liberal N proud
(60,332 posts)Since when did it become a "match"
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)where they think games are matches, perhaps played with aluminium bats on a shedyool, instead of being a good old American game using aluminum and following a skedyull (schedule) and where people goto the bathroom instead of the lavatory.
liberal N proud
(60,332 posts)PotatoChip
(3,186 posts)She appears to be fine, even giving the thumbs-up at the end of the slow-mo video.
Neither does she, or anyone else (other than the announcer) appear to blame him. It was just one of those 'wrong place at the wrong time moments'.
Spirochete
(5,264 posts)First fan i've ever heard of that wouldn't risk falling out of the bleachers going after a home run ball. They dogpile on each other trying to catch those things, usually.
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)Catherina
(35,568 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)It's the traditionalist's problem. It is the traditionalist's problem at the event and in the press. They are the ones who are enforcing the notion that he needed to take the hit. I've not seen one feminist make that argument.
frylock
(34,825 posts)secondly, what kind of weenie gets out the way of an homerun ball rather than trying to catch it?!
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Cleita
(75,480 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)JI7
(89,241 posts)MrSlayer
(22,143 posts)After all, if he had protected her from the ball it would have been demeaning to her as a person. It would have been coddling and sending the message that she is inferior and can't catch or avoid a batted ball on her own.
This guy is a model for all men.
Marr
(20,317 posts)Pussy! Wait, no-- I mean--
AUUGHH...
/shortout
treestar
(82,383 posts)But it was probably just instinct. All sexes need to dive out of the way of a coming baseball. I doubt he had time to think about it. This is an attempt to stir it up on the battle of the sexes.
alarimer
(16,245 posts)He maybe should have pushed her out of the way too, but not taken the ball to the face or wherever just to protect the "little woman."
Scout
(8,624 posts)we should all just be polite to everyone and forget which sex is supposed to do what special thing for which one or not for the other.
LisaL
(44,972 posts)Jumping out of the way is instinctive.
randome
(34,845 posts)...and figured out the angle and trajectory and then he could have warned anyone who might be within its path!
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)When I'm in the ball park and the ball is coming my way I duck. If I were near a child I'd be inclined to make sure the child wasn't in danger but honestly I doubt that I'd worry about the adults around me.
I saw a guy get beaned by a foul ball. It wasn't pretty.
WhaTHellsgoingonhere
(5,252 posts)Baseballs. I've been to a lot of baseball games and have seen a lot of balls hit right at me. Not once have I stuck out my hand. Rather, I look for cover. I know it looks different on TV, but that's really deceiving. Balls never land where you think. You stick out your hand to catch it and it sails 10 rows past you. I'm not sure what I would have done. I'm afraid of the ball so I'm getting away. Then there's a split second between when you realize where it's going to hit--near you or 10 rows past--and where it will hit.
A hard ball hit with that force hurts. I don't care what it looks like on TV. I was play tennis today. It was cold. My partner hit the ball long and I caught it. It stung. A tennis ball!
Duer 157099
(17,742 posts)Those are my two fears too. Well, and heights. And bridges. And wasps. Hmmm now that I'm thinking of it, there are more...
Oh well.
But I bring my glove anyway to protect myself.
WhaTHellsgoingonhere
(5,252 posts)Grew up in the Bay Area and spent many a cold summer's night at The Stick. Croix de Candlestick ring a bell?
Munificence
(493 posts)polly7
(20,582 posts)I got hit in the cheek by a slap-shot before we had plexi-glass around the sides of our rink ... my brother was standing right in front of me. He still apologizes to this day, but he didn't even have time to think of anything but 'DUCK'.
Bay Boy
(1,689 posts)Rhythm
(5,435 posts)I'm sorry this gal got hit... and that the boyfriend apparently didn't warn her (if he saw the ball coming and she didn't)...
But it's a baseball game, and you are sitting right at the fence...
Why the hell are you NOT paying attention to where the ball is?!?!
~~~~~
Same goes for anyone watching a hockey game, and sitting anywhere that a puck might leave the ice and hit you...
I saved a guy's teeth once at a minor-league game...
Our seats were behind the net and just above the glass, and a stranger in the next seat didn't see the errant slap-shot coming. I was a rec-league goalie, and had my glove with me, so i snagged it a few inches from his face.
I still have that puck...
dembotoz
(16,785 posts)my eyesight and reflexes are not so hot
I hope she pushes me out of the way to catch the damn thing
JVS
(61,935 posts)She grew up following the Tigers during the Ty Cobb era. But at the time the ballpark was not considered a place for women and children. It would be like taking the family to the dog track today.
Never thought of that. My grandfather recalled having to wait for the train to bring the newspapers in order to find out the Phillies' scores. Later he took boats from Delaware to Philadelphia and walked to the field from the port to attend the games!
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)It's not like they didn't show it at least THREE different times from TWO different angles.
She fucking ducked. Her bad fortune to have not ducked in the right direction.
Pure idiocy and useless controversy over something that happens countless times: Someone ducking but moving the wrong way and getting hit by something.
TimberValley
(318 posts)I am more confused than ever.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Quite clearly, the announcer who publicly denounced him is a man but, at this time, I haven't a clue whether or not he is a feminist. Do you?
Ian David
(69,059 posts)boston bean
(36,219 posts)and everyone wants to blame feminists.
Go fucking figure!
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)in the sports pages for doing something that I have not seen ONE feminist criticize him.
ieoeja
(9,748 posts)I see him jump away about the same time the ball hits. But I can't tell if he jumped before or after it hit.
The only odd thing I see is that he then rushes to her side instead of running after the ball like most people do. What kind of person worries more about their possibly injured friend?
Weirdo.
Duer 157099
(17,742 posts)Damn did they ever kick our ass yesterday.
Grumble grumble grumble... ooh yeah, poor lady, that probably hurts even more.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)When you dive out of the way to avoid something, you don't know where it's going to end up - he didn't know it was going to hit his girlfriend. And she could have dove out of the way too.
Now, I have an instinct when I'm with my kids to dive in front of them to block things that are flying/falling toward them, but I don't expect people to have that instinct around adults.
Anyway, sometimes people just get hurt and it isn't anyone's fault.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)and now in the press.
I've been all over the internet looking for the public shaming from a feminist perspective.
Nada.