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Brave Women Stand Up Against Amoral Exhibitionist FEMEN Feminists (Original Post) snooper2 Apr 2013 OP
"Amoral Exhibitionist FEMEN Feminists" The Straight Story Apr 2013 #1
Weirder by the day. cliffordu Apr 2013 #2
From the same person who posted that video: The Straight Story Apr 2013 #3
Apparently, France has its own teabaggers. backscatter712 Apr 2013 #4
And is it just me, or did that video show a fleur de lis styled to look sort of like a swastika? n/t backscatter712 Apr 2013 #5
I don't think I was seeing things... backscatter712 Apr 2013 #6
So, a monarchist theocratic French political group made this video? RainDog Apr 2013 #7
Yep. French teabaggers. n/t backscatter712 Apr 2013 #8
While some here are trying to put that label on Femen RainDog Apr 2013 #9
Strange bedfellows, indeed... opiate69 Apr 2013 #10
I think it could have gone either way on DU. Bonobo Apr 2013 #12
May very well be right.. opiate69 Apr 2013 #14
Although, I have to say... opiate69 Apr 2013 #16
The history of certain positions doesn't support your claim RainDog Apr 2013 #24
I'll leave it.. in a pile of turd sauce... where it belongs MattBaggins Apr 2013 #25
makes for good conversation though snooper2 Apr 2013 #21
Some of 'em make our teabaggers look like Teddy Ruxpins! MADem Apr 2013 #17
"amoral" Go Vols Apr 2013 #11
They are trying to demystify the "breasts" thing. Bonobo Apr 2013 #13
I am old Go Vols Apr 2013 #15
Amoral wiminz! LittleBlue Apr 2013 #18
If people are upset it means the protest is effective... Demo_Chris Apr 2013 #19
Exactly. Do not listen to the ones saying "Don't offend them!" backscatter712 Apr 2013 #22
Well said. Demo_Chris Apr 2013 #23
extremists are shitting themselves sigmasix Apr 2013 #20

The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
1. "Amoral Exhibitionist FEMEN Feminists"
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 12:16 AM
Apr 2013

So now we have catholic and mulism women coming out against femen?

Here on DU we are told that such women have no idea about how they are being repressed by the patriarchy of those two religions. That those women involved in those faiths just don't get it and need help.

And here they are now being used by others.

If I were to post things from either group of women concerning their other ideals of faith - from being home makers to being anti-abortion, it would be seen as me being against women in general.

"we are here today to eradicate their kind...as they eradicate the catholics"

From this video.

So basically - you support women who support these two faiths and their ideals of how women should be? Breasts covered, abortion illegal, etc.


The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
3. From the same person who posted that video:
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 12:23 AM
Apr 2013

Shocking Testimony Of Lebanese Christian Lady On Islamization
264 views

Europe is facing an insurgency no different from what's happening in Iraq -- just not fully violent yet.

....

The Relentless Islamization Of France

Opinion surveys show that to voters in France -- home to an estimated 6.5 million Muslims, the largest Muslim population in the European Union -- Islam and the question of Muslim immigration

....

Muslims Promoting Islam next to St Paul's Cathedral on Christmas Eve 2012

Source: http://www.youtube.com/user...

Now seriously, what would happen if christians were doing the same in front of a mosque in, let's say, Saudi Arabia, or perhaps...



backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
4. Apparently, France has its own teabaggers.
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 12:46 AM
Apr 2013

It's almost comforting to know that the US doesn't have a monopoly on right-wing fucktards.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
6. I don't think I was seeing things...
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 01:06 AM
Apr 2013

(yes, I know, I'm talking to myself.)

The organization that made this video is Renouveau Français, which is a French far-right nationalist political party.

This is the fleur-de-lis I'm talking about:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renouveau_fran%C3%A7ais

RainDog

(28,784 posts)
7. So, a monarchist theocratic French political group made this video?
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 01:20 AM
Apr 2013

The very definition of patriarchal in western society.

RainDog

(28,784 posts)
9. While some here are trying to put that label on Femen
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 01:24 AM
Apr 2013

looks like some spin doctoring for the patriarchy going on.

up is down.

 

opiate69

(10,129 posts)
10. Strange bedfellows, indeed...
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 01:42 AM
Apr 2013

It's just such a bizarre synergy... Rad-fems, aligning with right-wing French Nationalists, aligning with Muslim women who don't want FEMEN to "dictate what they wear" (nevermind that nobody is dictating any such thing.. ) It's almost too much to wrap ones head around.

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
12. I think it could have gone either way on DU.
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 01:45 AM
Apr 2013

If the Fenem story had originally been posted by a HOFfer instead of by a man, we may very well see a completely different dynamic in play here.

That is my opinion after being here on DU for over a decade.

Take it or leave it.

 

opiate69

(10,129 posts)
14. May very well be right..
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 01:48 AM
Apr 2013

I would like to think myself (and a few others) above that, but I couldn't say for certain.

 

opiate69

(10,129 posts)
16. Although, I have to say...
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 01:58 AM
Apr 2013

These FEMEN ladies strike me as being a fair bit more aligned with the likes of Tribe 8 than Twisty Faster

RainDog

(28,784 posts)
24. The history of certain positions doesn't support your claim
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 05:29 PM
Apr 2013

The disagreements with certain people here (you can call them HoFers - I don't follow that group, so I can't i.d. on that basis) has to do with disagreements over issues of free speech vs. labeling activities as hurtful to all women.

The history includes these "HoFers" telling other women they aren't feminists because they don't agree with their positions on issues - with THEM making the attacks on people.

When I called someone out on this bullshit, I was attacked. I was also told I was a pedophile enabler because I doubted the veracity of a blogger. When I complained about this to the admins.. oh well. The people here who did that disgust me. They don't speak for women - they speak for a subset of thought that is repressive in its interpretation of issues and many well-regarded feminists historically and now disagree.

The "HoFers" are the ones who have posted links to right wing hate groups in support of their positions. Oh, and here it is again. Judith Reisman is not a feminist icon, nor does she speak for feminists yet seabeyond was linking to her to make arguments.

The point is that they are aligning with far right wing positions - AND THIS HAS BEEN THE CASE FOR DECADES. Oh, and look - here it is again.


 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
21. makes for good conversation though
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 10:20 AM
Apr 2013


And you have to give them this, they are raising awareness whether one likes their "method" or not...

MADem

(135,425 posts)
17. Some of 'em make our teabaggers look like Teddy Ruxpins!
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 02:11 AM
Apr 2013

That Marine Le Pen and her paw...something else! They take blatant racism to a whole new level.

The creepiest of the creepy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Marie_Le_Pen

Le Pen focuses on immigration to France, the European Union, traditional culture, law and order and France's high rate of unemployment. He advocates immigration restrictions, the death penalty, raising incentives for homemakers,[1] and euroscepticism. He strongly opposes same-sex marriage, euthanasia, and abortion.


Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
13. They are trying to demystify the "breasts" thing.
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 01:46 AM
Apr 2013

Good for them. I can understand where they are coming from.

Some will ogle at first, but after a few minutes, it wears off.

I think they are on the right track.

Go Vols

(5,902 posts)
15. I am old
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 01:50 AM
Apr 2013

and have seen many titties.If kids can do this and people react,I applaud them.

The gal on the right in the pic I posted above looks like she means business.

 

Demo_Chris

(6,234 posts)
19. If people are upset it means the protest is effective...
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 02:29 AM
Apr 2013

Protests are like art, if people yawn you failed.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
22. Exactly. Do not listen to the ones saying "Don't offend them!"
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 02:17 PM
Apr 2013

They're not going to listen if you talk to them politely, so the better tactic is to go Andy Kaufman on them.

Of course they'll be offended - it's the only way to get them to pay attention.

Sure they'll get pissy and tell you to fuck off and leave in a huff, or worse.

But the truth is that you've got your meme in their head, and while they're pissed off and turned off now, you planted a seed that could sprout a few years from now.

sigmasix

(794 posts)
20. extremists are shitting themselves
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 03:13 AM
Apr 2013

Extremists from both ends of the spectrum are shitting themselves trying to figure out the functional dynamics and social indicators of these protests. Plenty fun to watch how this all shakes-out in the end.

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