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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWithout abortion rights, women's rights are nullified. Does that seem extreme?
It's really not. Abortion rights are fundamental to all other rights. If you cannot exercise control over your own body, your rights are severely curtailed.
That's why I keep posting about this. That and because I know that in large swaths of this country, women have functionally lost the right to abortion. Yes, lost it. Not from the draconian personhood or heartbeat crap. Those pose no actual threat at this time. They will all be enjoined and then found unconstitutional. They're largely there to obscure the death by a thousand cuts legislation known as TRAP that is being passed. TRAP laws do close clinics.
The Alabama Legislature late Tuesday adopted stringent new regulations for abortion clinics that supporters called a step to protect women but that others called medically unnecessary and a disguised effort to force the closing of the states five abortion clinics.
The Targeted Regulation of Abortion Providers, or TRAP laws, tend to capture fewer headlines than other types of abortion restrictions, largely because theyre complicated pieces of legislation that may not seem outrageous on the surface. But womens health advocates warn they actually represent one of the most serious threats to reproductive rights in the nation. This is an effective anti-choice tactic because its an indirect method of restricting abortion access rather than banning the procedure itself, TRAP laws impose so much red tape on abortion providers that clinics are unable to continue providing reproductive care to the women who need it. Here are seven states that are threatening to undermine womens right to legal abortion services by shutting down abortion clinics:
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http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/04/03/1815111/states-advancing-trap-laws/
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The Alabama measure is part of a spreading effort by anti-abortion groups to tighten the regulation of abortion clinics. Such laws seldom receive the attention of more sweeping bans on early abortions, like those recently adopted in Arkansas and North Dakota to protect the fetus once a heartbeat is detected, but are increasingly disruptive, said Carole Joffe, a sociologist at the University of California, San Francisco, who studies abortion laws and support abortion rights.
Those other laws may sound more drastic, she said of the bans on early abortions, but one assumes the Supreme Court will not uphold them.
Its the more reasonable-sounding things like hallway width, or requiring a doctor to have local admitting privileges, that some courts will possibly approve, Dr. Joffe said. These have the capacity to be much more devastating to the ability to provide abortion care.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/04/us/alabama-legislature-approves-abortion-clinic-limits.html?_r=0
get the red out
(13,460 posts)What it amounts to is valuing a potential human over one that already exists, and forcing everyone to follow the religious beliefs of a certain group. I have seen people who are anti-choice post opinions online that amount to just that. I saw a man post in a discussion of abortion that every time his wife was pregnant they "both" agreed that if she had to die to save the "baby" (fetus) that was what had to be done because of their religious beliefs.
Abortion rights are the gateway to removing all reproductive rights, after they end actual abortion they will use their junk science lies to take away most forms of birth control. Women would then be subjugated, and men as well via child support/forced marriage. There would also be more and more cheap labor and consumers produced for the religious right's corporate GOP partners to fully exploit. I am sure the anti-choicers believe that people in desperation will also turn to their Churches for aid and comfort.
Just my opinion, but this anti-choice push fits nicely into all the hateful goals of the GOP, none of which benefit citizens in any way. Disgusting.
cali
(114,904 posts)stuff. It's vanishingly unlikely that they'll be able to take away any form of birth control. It's almost as unlikely that any personhood law or heartbeat legislation will be upheld, but what is happening right now is the removal of access to abortion via these steps that aren't headline "worthy".
get the red out
(13,460 posts)I guess what is "extreme" depends on what state one lives in. I worry a lot about extremists living in the south.
Yes, this "heartbeat" legislation needs to be explored by the media on all sides, not just the anti-choice side. There are real consequences to people's rights in legislation like this but everyone is afraid to be called names by the righties, who don't stand up for any life once it is actually born.
cali
(114,904 posts)As in the past, this legislation will be swiftly enjoined and it will be found unconstitutional. This isn't my opinion, it's the judgment of virtually all the experts in the field.
The danger is in the TRAP legislation that is passing and has passed and in many cases been upheld, in state after state.
The personhood/heartbeat legislation is a smokescreen. It obscures the TRAP legislation.
One piece of the puzzle is not the whole thing.
DURHAM D
(32,607 posts)Enjoy your stay.
Sharpie
(64 posts)Thanks for being such a friendly welcoming fella.
I am not friendly to right wingers on DU.
Sharpie
(64 posts)... With a cheerful personality like that.
So anyone who doesn't toe your specific line of whatever is a "right winger?"
DURHAM D
(32,607 posts)Your anti-choice views are not welcome here.
Sharpie
(64 posts)You have a reading comprehension problem.
I simply stated that gains or losses in reproductive rights do not negate all other rights that women have earned and fought for over the years.
Frankly, it strikes me as offensive.
"Things aren't exactly how I want them on this one issue so everything everyone else has done is shot and gone"
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)Reproductive rights are important, but rights like suffrage and freedom of speech are also important. The reason is that any infringement on those rights would facilitate the curtailment of reproductive rights. Of course, the OP is correct to the extent that it goes both ways -- a prohibition on abortion (the "mandatory motherhood amendment" would impair the ability of women to be effective in exercising their political rights.
From your exchange with Durham D, you've learned that DU is sometimes oblivious to nuance. The OP is in support of reproductive rights. You disagreed with one particular point in the OP. Therefore, you're a right-winger with anti-choice views. That kind of misreading happens here a lot.
Note that I began this post with "Reproductive rights are important..." I sometimes try to anticipate what misinterpretation might be put on a post of mine and pre-empt it. That shouldn't be necessary, but you might consider doing it on sensitive subjects. (I have to admit, though, that even that doesn't always work.)
On the subject of the broader political context of reproductive rights, it's interesting to think about what would happen if the right wing got what it says it wants. Let's just say, hypothetically, that at some point there are five Supreme Court Justices willing to sign on to a decision with the fateful words: "Roe v. Wade is hereby overruled." What would happen, with every state left free to regulate or even prohibit abortion? One result would be that women and men supportive of reproductive rights would be galvanized and mobilized as never before. Some states certainly would prohibit all abortions. In many others, though, anti-choice politicians would be driven from office.
I'll bet a lot of those politicians realize that. Publicly, they denounce abortion, but privately they're very grateful that Roe v. Wade makes it impossible for them to deliver the complete prohibition that they say they want.
forestpath
(3,102 posts)not as if they give a shit about the fetus after birth.
The very essence of abortion rights is that women are fully human, not breeding animals.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)This is getting out of control and these anti-choicers need to be stopped. Our bodies, our choice. Government and men need to get the f**k out of our business.