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davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 03:18 AM Apr 2013

Carrie Underwood: I'd quit my job if my husband told me to

Country music superstar Carrie Underwood has discovered the secret to a happy marriage, and it's kind of retro: Look hot, have date nights, and let your her husband call the shots.

Sheryl Sandberg, avert your eyes: Underwood, a six-time Grammy Award winner, says she would totally "lean out" of her career if her husband, professional ice hockey player Mike Fisher, wanted her to.

"If Mike ever told me he needed me to quit, I'd quit," she tells People magazine this week. "When you make that promise to somebody, and you stand before God and your family and friends, you've got to do everything that you possibly can to make that work."

It's easy to make a sweeping statement like that when a.) you're independently wealthy and b.) it's unlikely that your husband would ever ask you to give up your very lucrative and successful career just because he wants you to hang out with him at the rink. Plus, given the amount of time Fisher, 32, spends on the road playing hockey and Underwood, 30, spends on the road while on tour, some downtime might be a very welcome thing. Still, while Underwood says she's willing to cut short her career if it makes their marriage stronger, it's unclear whether the idea works both ways. Would Fisher consider leaving the Nashville Predators hockey team to spend more time with his wife? Would she ever ask him to? (Though we do think it's sweet that he left the Ottawa Senators and moved to Nashville, presumably to be with his country star.)


http://shine.yahoo.com/love-sex/-carrie-underwood--i-d-quit-my-job-if-my-husband-told-me-to-164651550.html


I know some people here were praising Underwood for her support of gay marriage. But not sure if you want her to be a role model for feminism.
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Carrie Underwood: I'd quit my job if my husband told me to (Original Post) davidn3600 Apr 2013 OP
Apparently she has chosen Summer Hathaway Apr 2013 #1
Actually, by making this Stepford-Wife tripe public, she's influencing a LOT of young women BlueCaliDem Apr 2013 #7
I totally understand where you're coming from. Summer Hathaway Apr 2013 #10
Precisely Sherman A1 Apr 2013 #11
Good post. n/t tammywammy Apr 2013 #34
I can see the merit of your argument, BUT BlueCaliDem Apr 2013 #60
Uh, Carrie Underwood is nowhere near Summer Hathaway Apr 2013 #98
+1 In_The_Wind Apr 2013 #119
Make the choices you want but only publicize the ones I agree with? Sharpie Apr 2013 #12
Try reading my post again. You've completely misunderstood it and BlueCaliDem Apr 2013 #64
Passing judgment on people, are we? n/t. TimberValley Apr 2013 #128
So she should speak up on issues with which you agree, but needs to STFU when ... 11 Bravo Apr 2013 #19
Bravo. You've just completely misunderstood the gist of my post BlueCaliDem Apr 2013 #63
I don't think women should be forced to do what other women want them to do lunatica Apr 2013 #35
+1 Sissyk Apr 2013 #42
I agree. BlueCaliDem Apr 2013 #62
Those same women are hearing feminist's viewpoints also lunatica Apr 2013 #104
Yeah BlueCaliDem Apr 2013 #106
My post addresses the long-term harm statements like Underwood's can have BlueCaliDem Apr 2013 #69
Should women who have a more progressive mind and outlook make public statements about what they do The2ndWheel Apr 2013 #93
This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Apr 2013 #134
... abelenkpe Apr 2013 #2
There's a difference between 'telling and asking'. BVictor1 Apr 2013 #3
It's her personal choice LittleBlue Apr 2013 #4
I'm a feminist and I don't think a choice of staying home is anti-feminist lunatica Apr 2013 #103
Sounds more like an answer that panders to her fan base. Ikonoklast Apr 2013 #5
Yep. UnrepentantLiberal Apr 2013 #28
And we have a winner MattBaggins Apr 2013 #29
I would say pipi_k Apr 2013 #30
Indeed it does. Her fanbase are the same people who threatened the Dixie Chicks. Dawson Leery Apr 2013 #79
If it's her choice, I don't see any problem. Arkansas Granny Apr 2013 #6
Feminism IS about women making their own choices Summer Hathaway Apr 2013 #8
Well, as long as someone is dictating to us, does it really matter who? Sheldon Cooper Apr 2013 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Apr 2013 #17
I don't see anyone dictating in this scenario. hughee99 Apr 2013 #48
This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Apr 2013 #72
You're right. hughee99 Apr 2013 #75
Women were always told they preferred submissive roles treestar Apr 2013 #40
Is being a submissive wife an ACCEPTABLE choice though? alp227 Apr 2013 #73
Sounds to me like he's going to be making the choices for her n/t wryter2000 Apr 2013 #130
who's Carrie Underwood? Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #9
Ohhh edgy... trumad Apr 2013 #14
No, that was a totally serious question. Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #44
This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Apr 2013 #49
Beiber and Swift I would recognize. Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #51
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #77
Pet Peeve #1 Dreamer Tatum Apr 2013 #110
Tough. Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #111
And there's literally this thing called Google Dreamer Tatum Apr 2013 #113
If I don't know who she is, how can I imagine that it's "superior" not to know? Maybe she's GREAT. Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #114
Because (a) you probably have at least a vague idea of who she is, Dreamer Tatum Apr 2013 #116
You need a new hat, Karnak. That one's not working. Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #117
Yeah, right. nt Dreamer Tatum Apr 2013 #118
However, mine do smell like honey. Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #115
hahahaha In_The_Wind Apr 2013 #120
She'll be divorced in 2 years... trumad Apr 2013 #15
And it will be messy! nt Walk away Apr 2013 #26
Who cares? HappyMe Apr 2013 #16
It's her life. She can make her own choices. ananda Apr 2013 #18
I'd quit if my Wife asked me to. cherokeeprogressive Apr 2013 #20
A person who is ready to retire early! Now all you need is the bucks! nt Walk away Apr 2013 #27
I'm shootin' for 55-57. n/t. cherokeeprogressive Apr 2013 #31
Good for you! Walk away Apr 2013 #83
not the same thing Bradical79 Apr 2013 #36
One half of a married couple asking the other for something. cherokeeprogressive Apr 2013 #41
Recently, LWolf Apr 2013 #21
I am in agreement with you. Sheldon Cooper Apr 2013 #32
Another interesting aspect of this scenario The Straight Story Apr 2013 #43
And I know what I'd tell him, also. That's why I never remarried after I divorced more Arkansas Granny Apr 2013 #46
That's right, everyone makes their own choices. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2013 #67
It must be nice to be rich and talented and able to have that choice. Javaman Apr 2013 #22
You posted exactly my thoughts on this. nt Ilsa Apr 2013 #25
Excelent post! I don't see her eeking out a living, working at Wal-Mart even if Mike needed for ladjf Apr 2013 #57
Why is she supposed to be a role model for anything? undeterred Apr 2013 #23
True. Dawson Leery Apr 2013 #82
She probably needs hauled off to re-education camp before it gets worse and she makes a dongle joke The Straight Story Apr 2013 #24
Doesn't sound like they worked it out between the two of them treestar Apr 2013 #38
"call the shots" were the author's words, not Underwood's. cherokeeprogressive Apr 2013 #50
This will clear up all confusion you may have with the number 0 snooper2 Apr 2013 #68
If her husband would quit his job if she asked then I say OK. peace13 Apr 2013 #33
She is going to end up in a divorce treestar Apr 2013 #37
Two great quotes from another wife with a profession--Hillary Rodham Clinton marshall Apr 2013 #39
This message was self-deleted by its author whatchamacallit Apr 2013 #45
Cool, I wish her luck! cbdo2007 Apr 2013 #47
Never heard of her. nt Deep13 Apr 2013 #52
Poor little thing. I give the marriage two years max. nt Zorra Apr 2013 #53
theyve been married since 2010, per wikipedia n/t alp227 Apr 2013 #74
I know. I give the marriage two years from now max. nt Zorra Apr 2013 #95
"When you make that promise..." What "promise" would that be Kemosabe? yellowcanine Apr 2013 #54
isn't she the real bread winner of the family? warrior1 Apr 2013 #55
This shows that one doesn't have to be very smart to be a successful entertainer. ladjf Apr 2013 #56
Sure honey. Every husband in America would ask you to quit a career worth about a billion. MichiganVote Apr 2013 #58
How about if the rest of us ask you to quit Carrie? Please? nt TeamPooka Apr 2013 #59
Rich woman with infinite choices before her... Orsino Apr 2013 #61
I didn't see anything here Summer Hathaway Apr 2013 #99
It's her recommendation, not just a suggestion. Orsino Apr 2013 #108
You obviously don't know the difference Summer Hathaway Apr 2013 #109
I think she didn't demonstrate an understanding of that difference. Orsino Apr 2013 #121
I think that people who are reading Summer Hathaway Apr 2013 #122
She has recommended that wives obey their husbands in such matters. Orsino Apr 2013 #123
Here we go with 'recommended' again ... Summer Hathaway Apr 2013 #125
And lots of men go to work because their wives tell them to. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2013 #65
I'd rather Underwood quit her career because she's a talentless hack. alp227 Apr 2013 #66
Lol, typical comment on ANY star. She is a great singer/performer! Jealous? Logical Apr 2013 #81
Carrie Underwood, Taylor Swift, anything on the radio = country POP. Real country = alp227 Apr 2013 #84
"Real Country" = What I like. "Fake country" = What I don't like. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #85
Welcome to the 2000s. n-t Logical Apr 2013 #87
You got your Hanks mixed up there. Just saying. nomorenomore08 Apr 2013 #94
OH YEAH, YEAH! alp227 Apr 2013 #97
Reason #562 why I hate Oklahoma LondonReign2 Apr 2013 #70
It's none of my business Aerows Apr 2013 #71
Looks like she's establishing her far-right bona fides jmowreader Apr 2013 #76
Mike Fisher is not some who you want as your son-in-law. Dawson Leery Apr 2013 #78
Fisher is originally from Peterborough, Ontario, Canada. alp227 Apr 2013 #86
He still comes from the Santorum school of belief. Dawson Leery Apr 2013 #88
Underwood, however, has described her church as "gay friendly" alp227 Apr 2013 #91
Sounds pretty stupid to me, but it ain't my biz. Iggo Apr 2013 #80
Celebrities should never, ever be role models KingFlorez Apr 2013 #89
Women like this do us no favors. JNelson6563 Apr 2013 #90
Will never understand why it seems so often that it's the woman that needs to give everything up Number23 Apr 2013 #92
High talk from a lottery winner. PM Martin Apr 2013 #96
It's their marriage. They manage it as they see fit...as it should be. n/t cynatnite Apr 2013 #100
I wonder how long she'd enjoy that? How much time can be spent bossing the maids about and MADem Apr 2013 #101
Or maybe she knows he wouldn't ask that of her unless it was a very very serious situation. dkf Apr 2013 #102
I would hope they wouldn't come up with "dictates" for any reason wryter2000 Apr 2013 #133
I had never even heard of Carrie Underwood until now lanlady Apr 2013 #105
Shit, if he was making + $150k ... Myrina Apr 2013 #107
DU: Your body, your choice. Your life, OUR choice. Dreamer Tatum Apr 2013 #112
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2013 #129
Whatever, free country. Rex Apr 2013 #124
It's her own business. Why should anyone object? TimberValley Apr 2013 #126
You do that, honey lamb wryter2000 Apr 2013 #127
It's not like she HAS to work - lynne Apr 2013 #131
It's really nice when your rich like she is and she can make that choice. Not everyone has that southernyankeebelle Apr 2013 #132
+1 YoungDemCA Apr 2013 #136
Corporate Nashville country/pop/rock is probably the most collectively right-wing music genre... YoungDemCA Apr 2013 #135

Summer Hathaway

(2,770 posts)
1. Apparently she has chosen
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 03:29 AM
Apr 2013

the kind of marriage that works for her.

Could that kind of marriage work for me? Never.

But as long as Ms. Underwood doesn't make my choices her business, I won't be making her choices my business.



BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
7. Actually, by making this Stepford-Wife tripe public, she's influencing a LOT of young women
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 04:01 AM
Apr 2013

and that's not a good thing for the rest of us.

The troubling thing about Ms. Underwood's statement is that it's become public, and she's feeding the "stand by your man no matter what" bullshit to millions. This can influence a lot of impressionable young women and men, and these people either already or will vote and that can affect all of us.

Statements like these only cultivate an atmosphere of a brand of CONservatism we need to eradicate from our society, because sooner or later it will come home to roost for all of us in the long run.

Summer Hathaway

(2,770 posts)
10. I totally understand where you're coming from.
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 04:23 AM
Apr 2013

But I have to disagree.

Whatever Carrie Underwood says today will be forgotten tomorrow - replaced by something some other celeb says or does. It is disposable information, and will be treated accordingly.

The idea that these kinds of statements will lead people to vote one way or another is far-fetched. I don't think Ms. Underwood has the kind of influence you are attributing to her.

"Statements like these only cultivate an atmosphere of a brand of CONservatism we need to eradicate from our society ..."

That sounds a bit too much like a call for censorship of individuals, on the basis that their statements don't coincide with your political beliefs. It is that kind of censorship that the RW have been advocating for years in respect of people who make statements they perceive as being not in keeping with their political beliefs.

Ms. Underwood is free to choose any marriage arrangement that she finds acceptable to her - not every woman, but HER as an individual. She has that right. And she also has the right to speak about it, if she so chooses.

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
11. Precisely
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 06:12 AM
Apr 2013

It is entirely up to her. I find it sad that we as a society seem to care so much about what this or that celeb has to say on any subject. They are entitled to their opinions, entitled to share their opinions, but frankly I and hopefully everyone else can make up their own mind on any given subject.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
60. I can see the merit of your argument, BUT
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 12:40 PM
Apr 2013

this isn't true:

Whatever Carrie Underwood says today will be forgotten tomorrow - replaced by something some other celeb says or does. It is disposable information, and will be treated accordingly.

How do I know? Well, look at this thread alone. But in all honesty, I'm referring to her doting fans in my post.

No one can deny that those young people aren't influenced, however subconsciously, by what she publicly says. To deny it would be short-sighted at best. Elvis-the-pelvis rocked the music world and changed the mindset of generations with his "scandalous" dance moves, changing our music industry and televised choreography.

Big stars like Underwood can change young people's minds who can then easily buy into the CONservative lies because it sounds so, "awwww, so sweet". Propaganda, no matter how sweetly delivered, is still mind-altering.

That sounds a bit too much like a call for censorship of individuals, on the basis that their statements don't coincide with your political beliefs.

And that's utter bullshit. That's what YOU read into it, perhaps because you conform to CONservative "ideals". But if you're honest with yourself, you'll admit, even if it's to yourself, that modern-day conservatism is what's destroying this country and it earned the right to be eradicated.

Yes, Underwood has every right to voice her opinion, but let's not forget here, so do I. The difference is, I don't have millions upon millions of fans hanging off my every word nor influenced by it. She does. And that makes her statement an indirect threat to the well-being and future of our country. You first need to win the hearts and minds of the people before you can control them.

Summer Hathaway

(2,770 posts)
98. Uh, Carrie Underwood is nowhere near
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 01:31 AM
Apr 2013

as influential as Elvis was. Not even close.

I guarantee you that if you ask any of Underwood's die-hard fans what they thought of her views on marriage - and ask a mere two weeks from now - they won't even know what you're talking about, no less remember what she said on the matter.

This notion that younger men and women will be persuaded to adopt Underwood's example and conduct their marriages accordingly, that their minds will be changed, and they will then "buy into conservative lies" is utterly ridiculous.

And what you are calling for is basically the censorship of anyone whose opinion differs from your own.

And on that note ...

I see you have a penchant for questioning the political position of anyone who disagrees with you:

Your reply to me: "That's what YOU read into it, perhaps because you conform to CONservative "ideals""

Your reply to someone else who disagreed with you: "I'm surprised a single Democrat would even think of defending her 1950's tripe and thinks it's a-okay. I'm surprised some Democrats here are that short-sighted."

Your reply to another: "Try reading my post again. You've completely misunderstood it and
the goal of this site, which is definitely not to defend CONservative tripe. You're new here. I'll cut you some slack and not think you're not a Democrat"


Wow, you decided to 'cut some slack' for the last one - how benevolent of you.

Implying that anyone who doesn't agree with your opinion means that their position as a Democrat is questionable is not only rude and obnoxious behavior, it is arrogant in the extreme.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
64. Try reading my post again. You've completely misunderstood it and
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 12:58 PM
Apr 2013

the goal of this site, which is definitely not to defend CONservative tripe. You're new here. I'll cut you some slack and not think you're not a Democrat.

11 Bravo

(23,926 posts)
19. So she should speak up on issues with which you agree, but needs to STFU when ...
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 08:30 AM
Apr 2013

she holds a position which you oppose?

I've got to disagree, her life ... her choice.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
63. Bravo. You've just completely misunderstood the gist of my post
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 12:56 PM
Apr 2013

and turned it into something it's NOT.

Underwood has every right to voice her opinions, but with this great right comes great responsibilities. And this statement is a personal and private one, so why in the hell did she have to make it public? To what end?

I'm surprised a single Democrat would even think of defending her 1950's tripe and thinks it's a-okay. I'm surprised some Democrats here are that short-sighted.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
35. I don't think women should be forced to do what other women want them to do
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 09:28 AM
Apr 2013

Women have arrived at that point where they can choose to be a stay-at-home mom if they want to. And women should respect it.

Society isn't telling her to drop her career to be with her husband more. Women shouldn't either because it doesn't hurt our cause at all if she makes that choice on her own.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
62. I agree.
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 12:44 PM
Apr 2013

But what about those women who aren't married or moms yet? That's my problem with Underwood's public statement. Sure, older and established women would scoff at such a statement, but you underestimate the propensity of younger women, who grew up with Cinderella stories, to start to see merit in Underwood's stsand-by-your-man self-sacrificial stance. That can't be good for our future; one that will hinge upon a more progressive-minded next generation.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
104. Those same women are hearing feminist's viewpoints also
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 07:08 AM
Apr 2013

And therefore have the freedom to make a choice rather than to do what they're told is 'proper'.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
106. Yeah
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 09:37 AM
Apr 2013

but can they know the difference? Because that's what you're assuming; that they know the difference. If everyone was as deep-thinking as you and I, there wouldn't be any Republicans in power anymore, would there? There wouldn't be a single woman in this country who'd vote for the pro trans-vaginal political party, would there? And yet, here we are...

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
69. My post addresses the long-term harm statements like Underwood's can have
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 01:05 PM
Apr 2013

on the progress of this country. It cultivates a CONservative view on life which, in turn, will cultivate a CONservative mind-set in our future electorate.

It was a private statement made publicly. To what end? Why? To make herself look cuter? To make herself look more CONservative? To help conflicted young women in difficult relationships to choose to self-sacrifice for her man?

Whatever the reason, it doesn't help nurture a 21st century progressive mind among the young people who are still impressionable or conflicted and who are her fan base.

The2ndWheel

(7,947 posts)
93. Should women who have a more progressive mind and outlook make public statements about what they do
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 06:39 PM
Apr 2013

with their private life?

Response to lunatica (Reply #35)

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
4. It's her personal choice
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 03:36 AM
Apr 2013

No point in attacking her for it. Doesn't sound like she's a feminist anyway, so she shouldn't be expected to be a "role model for feminism."

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
103. I'm a feminist and I don't think a choice of staying home is anti-feminist
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 06:55 AM
Apr 2013

I'm 64 and it used to be that women weren't given a choice as to whether we wanted to stay home. The key difference now is that one can actually choose to stay home.

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
5. Sounds more like an answer that panders to her fan base.
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 03:44 AM
Apr 2013

That type of crapola is swallowed whole by those easily fooled by such tripe.

 

UnrepentantLiberal

(11,700 posts)
28. Yep.
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 09:06 AM
Apr 2013

It's classic country music pandering. Much like Minnie Pearl pretending to be a country bumpkin when she was actually from a wealthy family.

pipi_k

(21,020 posts)
30. I would say
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 09:16 AM
Apr 2013

that's probably exactly what's going on.

Easy to make such statements when she knows...or has a good idea...that she won't actually be called upon to make that sacrifice.

Pandering to her base...

Arkansas Granny

(31,507 posts)
6. If it's her choice, I don't see any problem.
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 03:58 AM
Apr 2013

I always thought that feminism was about women making their own choices.

Summer Hathaway

(2,770 posts)
8. Feminism IS about women making their own choices
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 04:03 AM
Apr 2013

It is unfortunate that some women believe that we should all stop being dictated to by men, and instead accept being dictated to by other women.

Response to Summer Hathaway (Reply #8)

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
48. I don't see anyone dictating in this scenario.
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 11:46 AM
Apr 2013

She said she'd be willing to give up her career IF her husband asked (he didn't). Perhaps he'd be willing to do the same if she asked (she hasn't). Perhaps she has an understanding husband who she believes would only ask this of her for a very good reason (perhaps her career was taking a significant toll on her physical or mental health). Perhaps she would ask the same of him in a similar situation.

Response to hughee99 (Reply #48)

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
75. You're right.
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 02:07 PM
Apr 2013

I tend to assume that celebrities aren't always as precise in their word choices as they could be and give them some leeway. Of course, it's easy for her to make this statement when she's not in a position to actually have to decide.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
40. Women were always told they preferred submissive roles
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 10:50 AM
Apr 2013

Feminism obviously would not be about making the choice to be submissive to men. That's for not-feminists. Conservatives, which this woman obviously is. Or blinded by love at this time and likely to think differently when the honeymoon is over.

alp227

(32,006 posts)
73. Is being a submissive wife an ACCEPTABLE choice though?
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 02:02 PM
Apr 2013

I think feminism should be willing to take a skeptical angle on things instead of a me-first/"my choice" centered ideology.

Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #44)

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
51. Beiber and Swift I would recognize.
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 11:52 AM
Apr 2013

But Country music -aside from maybe Willie- is totally not on my radar.

Response to trumad (Reply #14)

Dreamer Tatum

(10,926 posts)
110. Pet Peeve #1
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 01:25 PM
Apr 2013

"I am so hip and hardcore that I have to SHOW you. Google? I don't need no stinkin' Google when
I can condescend and get my question answered at the same time. Let me know when there's a
Condescend-gle, and I'll use it."

Dreamer Tatum

(10,926 posts)
113. And there's literally this thing called Google
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 01:28 PM
Apr 2013

that could answer your question quietly and efficiently without everyone having to smell your farts of superiority.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
114. If I don't know who she is, how can I imagine that it's "superior" not to know? Maybe she's GREAT.
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 01:29 PM
Apr 2013

Musical taste is relative and subjective, anyway.

Anyone who thinks they're "superior" based on what's on their ipod is probably not much more than 12.

Dreamer Tatum

(10,926 posts)
116. Because (a) you probably have at least a vague idea of who she is,
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 01:33 PM
Apr 2013

(b) you probably know she exists in the pop mainstream, (c) like many other people you want to appear to
exist on a higher plane, so (d) you make a grand show of asking who she is rather than answering the
question on your own.

I would place money on (a)-(d) above, and in fact (e) your show isn't working, so (f) you're not pleased.

Most people who don't know who someone is don't make a show of not knowing - they just move on.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
117. You need a new hat, Karnak. That one's not working.
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 01:37 PM
Apr 2013

a) I literally have zero fucking clue who she is. I have gleaned from this thread that she is active in what is known as the Country Music circuit, and since her name isn't Willie Nelson, that explains why I don't know who the fuck she is.

b) see above.

c) 99% of the time, I don't give a shit what other people think of me. There are maybe 5 overarching guiding themes in my life, and that is one of them. I finally stopped caring about "looking cool" once and for all around the time in 1989 that I took a massive amount of psilocybin and put on the gumby suit.

d) Okay. But If I wanted to put on a grand show I'd include this guy.

HappyMe

(20,277 posts)
16. Who cares?
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 07:51 AM
Apr 2013

It's entirely up to her and her husband. What works for one married couple won't work for another.

As far as role models go - think for yourself, be your own person.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
41. One half of a married couple asking the other for something.
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 10:53 AM
Apr 2013

It's only about gender because some people NEED it to be.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
21. Recently,
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 08:38 AM
Apr 2013

I was catching up with an old friend, and she brought up a mutual friend that I haven't seen in a couple of years. I asked how she was doing.

My friend said, "Well, her husband wants her to sell her horse and go on the road with him. He wants to realize his dream of traveling the country by motorcycle." I was a little shocked, knowing that my friend's horses have been as much a part of her, her whole life, as some people's children are.

I asked, "Why doesn't he just go do his thing, and let her do hers?" The answer? "He says he's spent 25 years messing with her horses when he never wanted to. It's her turn. She's really upset, but she's probably going to do it."

I digested this for a moment, and then said, "Well, I know what I'd tell him, but then, that's probably why I have 2 failed marriages behind me."

My friend snorted, and we peacefully contemplated sending a man who wanted us to give up what makes our life meaningful, whatever that is, down the road on his own.

That IS why I have 2 failed marriages. I couldn't compromise who I am for someone else's ideas about how to live.

I wouldn't have it any other way. There may have been someone out there who wanted the same things out of life I did, but I never met him. I'm content on my own.

Sheldon Cooper

(3,724 posts)
32. I am in agreement with you.
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 09:19 AM
Apr 2013

I don't think I could ever compromise to the extent that your friend's husbands wants. That's not just giving up her hobby/pastime, that's giving up her entire life to ride on the back of a motorcycle. I think her husband's demand is outlandish and not even a little bit reasonable. Never in a million years would I do that, and if I have to stay single forever that's fine by me.

The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
43. Another interesting aspect of this scenario
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 11:12 AM
Apr 2013

He won't stay as long in hockey as she can music.

She will get residuals for songs, can make a comeback album, etc and so on but when he is done playing he is pretty much done (unless he wanted to become a coach or announcer, which most do not).

It could be a 'time swap out' - let's spend more time together while I am able to play hockey, then when I am not we will spend time on you making new albums, comeback tour, etc.

Something couples may well wrestle with in such fields.

-----
On to what you wrote though.

I had good friends in Ridgecrest, CA that your post reminded me of. The lady from the temp agency and I went to dinner and then over to her house one night. I had not been to her house before (this is shortly after we first met). Helped her with a computer issue and we got to talking about all the cool stuff from South Africa around the house.

She said her husband took two weeks a year to travel there. Was not her thing, but he loved going there and exploring the culture (he worked at a small museum in the county). She liked taking her vacations in more tropical places.

She told me the secret to a long relationship was that when you get into one keep doing what you love and make sure the other has space to do what they love as well and every chance you get do things you both love together (like concerts, etc, whatever).

They always had new things to share with each other this way and once in awhile they took a week together taking turns going someplace the other didn't.

Arkansas Granny

(31,507 posts)
46. And I know what I'd tell him, also. That's why I never remarried after I divorced more
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 11:30 AM
Apr 2013

than 30 years ago. Even as a single parent, my life was less complicated as a single than it was as part of a couple.

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
67. That's right, everyone makes their own choices.
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 01:02 PM
Apr 2013

Ideally they accept the consequences, and understand that the two are related.

I've changed jobs on the suggestion of my wife before. But those are my values. I wouldn't divorce a wife to keep a horse.

Javaman

(62,504 posts)
22. It must be nice to be rich and talented and able to have that choice.
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 08:44 AM
Apr 2013

How about she give up those riches and fame then try to raise a family on minimum wage and be a single parent?

The unflappable perspective of the wealthy.

ladjf

(17,320 posts)
57. Excelent post! I don't see her eeking out a living, working at Wal-Mart even if Mike needed for
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 12:28 PM
Apr 2013

her to do that.

undeterred

(34,658 posts)
23. Why is she supposed to be a role model for anything?
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 08:46 AM
Apr 2013

She was lucky enough to expose her singing talent on American Idol, which jumpstarted her career. Having a great voice doesn't make her an expert on anything else.

The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
24. She probably needs hauled off to re-education camp before it gets worse and she makes a dongle joke
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 08:56 AM
Apr 2013

Imagine...two adults working out what works best for them in a marriage.

If it were two women married and this whole thing came up...well fuck, I would be confused as hell. Like dividing by zero. But most likely it would come down to the woman who didn't like her dad the most (had daddy issues) who would be called sexist (well, at least from what I have seen here where men are said to have mommy issues because they don't find something offensive enough).

The real issue here is why did she marry a hockey player? I think they are overly violent and supposedly define the harsh manliness that men are portrayed to have in movies. She didn't marry a computer nerd or janitor so she is probably confused on gender roles (can we get her to post on here so we can explain to her how she is not living properly and her actions are sexist and hurting everyone?)



treestar

(82,383 posts)
38. Doesn't sound like they worked it out between the two of them
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 10:47 AM
Apr 2013

She just thinks he needs to "call the shots." A recipe for the old fashioned female manipulation where Husband "called the shots" all right while Wife used underhanded methods to get her own way or input into what happened.

And who would decide, together, to be the submissive person in a relationship? It is going to get old pretty fast.

 

peace13

(11,076 posts)
33. If her husband would quit his job if she asked then I say OK.
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 09:22 AM
Apr 2013

Personally I would not have a husband that told me what to do. I have been married for over 30 years and he knows that I would do anything for him but a gift, a sacrifice, a bend will be my idea....not his.

Edited to say...it's her marriage she will do what she wants. As it should be.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
37. She is going to end up in a divorce
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 10:45 AM
Apr 2013

Puh-leese. She may be blinded by love on the honeymoon? She really wants to be the weaker partner in a relationship? If she had said she'd stop working to stay home with the kids if they decided, together to do it that way, it would be a different thing, a matter of choice.

marshall

(6,665 posts)
39. Two great quotes from another wife with a profession--Hillary Rodham Clinton
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 10:48 AM
Apr 2013

"I suppose I could have stayed home and baked cookies and had teas, but what I decided to do was to fulfill my profession which I entered before my husband was in public life."

"You know, I'm not sitting here like some little woman standing by my man, like Tammy Wynette. I'm sitting here because I love him, and I respect him, and I honor what he's been through and what we've been through together."

Response to davidn3600 (Original post)

yellowcanine

(35,694 posts)
54. "When you make that promise..." What "promise" would that be Kemosabe?
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 12:00 PM
Apr 2013

I don't remember any promise in the wedding vows to agree to give up your career for the other person. Did I miss something? Anyway most husbands want their wife to have a career for economic reasons. One salary rarely cuts it anymore. Maybe if the husband is a professional hockey player.....

warrior1

(12,325 posts)
55. isn't she the real bread winner of the family?
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 12:00 PM
Apr 2013

It's nice that she has enough money to make a statement like that, but in the real world most families have both spouse working, sometimes more than one job. Rich people suck with their so call bravery.

ladjf

(17,320 posts)
56. This shows that one doesn't have to be very smart to be a successful entertainer.
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 12:24 PM
Apr 2013

She stated that she would end her fabulous career if ".. Mike told me he needed me to quit".
Now just why would a husband "need" for his wife to quit a fabulous career? Perhaps he could play the child bearing card.

 

MichiganVote

(21,086 posts)
58. Sure honey. Every husband in America would ask you to quit a career worth about a billion.
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 12:30 PM
Apr 2013

I was just asking my husband the other day to ask me to quit my job, (worth than less than a smidgen of what this woman makes) and you know that guy was so generous that he told me to just keep working. Imagine that.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
61. Rich woman with infinite choices before her...
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 12:40 PM
Apr 2013

...writing prescriptions for poorer women for whom most of those choices are out of reach?

Check.

Summer Hathaway

(2,770 posts)
99. I didn't see anything here
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 01:44 AM
Apr 2013

suggesting that Underwood was 'writing prescriptions' for anyone. Making a statement about her own marriage does not equate to encouraging other women - richer or poorer - to adopt her example.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
108. It's her recommendation, not just a suggestion.
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 10:53 AM
Apr 2013

"If Mike ever told me he needed me to quit, I'd quit," she tells People magazine this week. "When you make that promise to somebody, and you stand before God and your family and friends, you've got to do everything that you possibly can to make that work."

Summer Hathaway

(2,770 posts)
109. You obviously don't know the difference
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 01:21 PM
Apr 2013

between someone expressing their personal view of what their marriage vows mean to them, and 'recommending' that everyone should hold the same view.



Orsino

(37,428 posts)
121. I think she didn't demonstrate an understanding of that difference.
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 02:29 PM
Apr 2013

A lot of money can do that to people, or she might have phrased it better.

But what does she think of women who won't quit their jobs when their husbands tell them to?

Summer Hathaway

(2,770 posts)
122. I think that people who are reading
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 02:44 PM
Apr 2013

all kinds of things into her remarks are the ones not understanding the difference. She commented on her own marriage, not on anyone else's. And her having money has zero to do with it.

"But what does she think of women who won't quit their jobs when their husbands tell them to?"

Who knows what she thinks about other women's marriages? More to the point, who cares?



Orsino

(37,428 posts)
123. She has recommended that wives obey their husbands in such matters.
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 02:47 PM
Apr 2013

It's no great stretch to see that that choice is a lot easier for families with Carrie Underwood money.

Summer Hathaway

(2,770 posts)
125. Here we go with 'recommended' again ...
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 03:05 PM
Apr 2013

As to the money angle, it's the exact opposite. Many, many women stay in marriages where they are abused, emotionally and/or physically, if they don't 'obey their husbands' because they are reliant on that husband for financial support for themselves and their children.

Having money makes it is easier for either party to choose to leave a marriage, because neither will be ruined financially, and the means to financially support any children are there.

I am really not the least bit interested in how Carrie Underwood, or anyone else, conducts their own marriage.

The only reason I posted in this thread in the first place was to point out that if a woman chooses to defer to her husband's wishes rather than her own, she has every right to do so - without being told that she's "doing it wrong".

It's her marriage, her business, her choice.

alp227

(32,006 posts)
66. I'd rather Underwood quit her career because she's a talentless hack.
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 01:00 PM
Apr 2013

But it's sad she's stuck in the 1950s and thinks that's how she can get more radio airplay and itunes downloads.

alp227

(32,006 posts)
84. Carrie Underwood, Taylor Swift, anything on the radio = country POP. Real country =
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 06:11 PM
Apr 2013

Last edited Thu Apr 4, 2013, 08:37 PM - Edit history (1)

Johnny Cash
The Carter Family
Hank Williams (Sr. not the right wing turd Hank Jr.)
Willie Nelson
Alison Krauss

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
94. You got your Hanks mixed up there. Just saying.
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 07:24 PM
Apr 2013

Hank Jr. is the Republican asshole, Hank III is the cool one. Guess the talent in that family skipped a generation.

alp227

(32,006 posts)
97. OH YEAH, YEAH!
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 08:36 PM
Apr 2013


(the "OH YEAH YEAH" part is at 3:30.)

Hank Jr.'s "Are You Ready for Some Football" song is no longer the opening music for Monday Night Football because of his comparison of Obama and Hitler.

I did mix up my hanks. I thought Hank III was the wingnut and Hank Jr. the original legendary Hank Williams. I've heard that song "Hank Williams Said It Best" in Mike Malloy's White Rose Society streaming radio channel.
 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
71. It's none of my business
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 01:19 PM
Apr 2013

If she and her husband decide to chain themselves in the yard and bark at the moon at night, as long as the howling doesn't disturb the neighbor's night sleep, more power to them.

If she wants to completely submit to her husband, and she's fine with that, go for it. Just don't tell me that sort of Talibangelical attitude has to apply to anyone but the two of them. I don't care what they decide together. It affects me not.

jmowreader

(50,533 posts)
76. Looks like she's establishing her far-right bona fides
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 03:00 PM
Apr 2013

Carrie Underwood has come out in support of gay marriage. She has seen what happens when you say or do something the rabid fundies who buy country albums don't like (it's called being dixie chicked) so to counter her gay marriage stance she went all stand by your man on us. Very wise tactical move especially because, barring a life-threatening injury to her NHL husband, she will almost certainly never have to do it.

Dawson Leery

(19,348 posts)
78. Mike Fisher is not some who you want as your son-in-law.
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 05:48 PM
Apr 2013

He is a fundamentalist "Christian" who opposes abortion, believes in the "traditional family", and proudly displays bible versions on his sports gear AND HUNTING GEAR.

google search: "bible versions rifle scopes"

alp227

(32,006 posts)
86. Fisher is originally from Peterborough, Ontario, Canada.
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 06:14 PM
Apr 2013

Canada may be more politically liberal & secular than the US, but I guess hockey players may be more conservative.

Dawson Leery

(19,348 posts)
88. He still comes from the Santorum school of belief.
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 06:16 PM
Apr 2013

There are reactionary kooks everywhere. Even Norway has them (Anders Breviek).

alp227

(32,006 posts)
91. Underwood, however, has described her church as "gay friendly"
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 06:22 PM
Apr 2013

From a 2012 profile by the UK newspaper The Independent:

She grew up Baptist, she tells me, saying it offered an old-fashioned, didactic take on Christianity, but these days attends a liberal, inter-denominational church which "embraces all sorts". She and Mike pray every morning, and before every meal. She also prays before every show, often with bandmates.

Does she ever struggle, I ask, to square her religion with the progressive, gay-friendly mores of the music industry? "Our church is gay-friendly," she responds, seeming suddenly energised. "Above all, God wanted us to love others. It's not about setting rules, or (saying) 'everyone has to be like me'. No. We're all different. That's what makes us special. We have to love each other and get on with each other."

KingFlorez

(12,689 posts)
89. Celebrities should never, ever be role models
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 06:18 PM
Apr 2013

All she is doing is stating what she would choose to do, no one has to emulate her personal philosophy. Anyone patterning their life after that of a celebrity isn't someone that is very intelligent and one that would need re-evaluate their priorities.

A lot of people make sacrifices for their marriages, it doesn't all have to do with politics and ideology. At the end of the day, everyone has a choice.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
92. Will never understand why it seems so often that it's the woman that needs to give everything up
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 06:30 PM
Apr 2013

"to make the marriage work."

She doesn't sound like the brightest bulb in the box. That might be one reason why I've never heard of her.

PM Martin

(2,660 posts)
96. High talk from a lottery winner.
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 07:30 PM
Apr 2013

Many women have to work to survive. Other women want careers.
Underwood(I would spend one penny of my money of this country hack) is no role model for women.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
101. I wonder how long she'd enjoy that? How much time can be spent bossing the maids about and
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 02:02 AM
Apr 2013

crabbing at the pool boy because he missed that leaf over by the waterfall before she's gone completely round the bend?

I think she's saying that because she knows it will never happen. It would be interesting to see who is the bigger earner in that house...and what the pre-nup looks like.

 

dkf

(37,305 posts)
102. Or maybe she knows he wouldn't ask that of her unless it was a very very serious situation.
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 04:04 AM
Apr 2013

If your mate is sane and thoughtful you might assume they wouldn't come up with dictates for the hell of it.

wryter2000

(46,023 posts)
133. I would hope they wouldn't come up with "dictates" for any reason
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 03:34 PM
Apr 2013

My husband never dictated to me. That didn't mean I never gave in if something was important to him and he had good reasons. We compromised. Neither of us "dictated."

lanlady

(7,133 posts)
105. I had never even heard of Carrie Underwood until now
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 07:16 AM
Apr 2013

and I can't think of a more unpleasant introduction to her. UGH!

Myrina

(12,296 posts)
107. Shit, if he was making + $150k ...
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 09:51 AM
Apr 2013

... I'd quit my fucking job "if he told me to", too.

I'd be like "Thanks for the vacation honey - I'm going shopping. In Paris. Do make sure the kids & dogs are fed. And pay the mortgage. See ya in a few months."

Response to Dreamer Tatum (Reply #112)

 

TimberValley

(318 posts)
126. It's her own business. Why should anyone object?
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 03:08 PM
Apr 2013

If you don't want to quit your job if your spouse were to tell you to, then don't. But if someone else does do that, then why is it any of your business?

wryter2000

(46,023 posts)
127. You do that, honey lamb
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 03:08 PM
Apr 2013

And after twenty years, when no one remembers your name and he dumps you for someone younger, come back and tell us how that worked out for you.

lynne

(3,118 posts)
131. It's not like she HAS to work -
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 03:18 PM
Apr 2013

- so there's no concerns about making ends meet. If her not working makes both of them happy, then good for them. It's whatever works for a couple that matters, not what we or society thinks of it. It's their choice.

Lot's of important stuff going on in the world. This isn't one of them.

 

southernyankeebelle

(11,304 posts)
132. It's really nice when your rich like she is and she can make that choice. Not everyone has that
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 03:24 PM
Apr 2013

luxury to quit even if they wanted to.

 

YoungDemCA

(5,714 posts)
135. Corporate Nashville country/pop/rock is probably the most collectively right-wing music genre...
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 03:42 PM
Apr 2013

..in America. Just look at the way the Dixie Chicks were treated when Natalie Maines dared to speak out against Dubya.

That being said, what Underwood said here was far, far from the worst thing uttered by a Nashville superstar in recent memory.

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