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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThis nation's gun violence dilemma hit a little too close to home to me today.
There was a shooting in my office building today. A murder-suicide. Husband shot his wife, then himself.
I did not see it, but I did hear it.
I was sitting in my office when I heard it. Pop-pop-pop-pop, coupled with some muffled yelling. Even though I don't own any guns and I don't go shooting guns, I knew it had to be a gun. Instinctively, I went to my office door, closed it, locked it, and then went under my desk and hid. I waited for about five minutes, not hearing anything more. When I heard some of my office staff outside my door saying that they had called 911, I figured it was safe enough to come out of my office. We then all went into one of the front offices and waited for the police to arrive.
I'm still trying to digest it all, not having excessively panicked when it actually was happening.
However, just a few thoughts in light of the recent ongoing conversation about gun violence.
This would not have happened without the presence of a gun. Not like it did, at least. Not in such a spectacular, horrific fashion, out in the public, in the workplace like that.
The shooter was a well-respected member of the community, upper middle class. He did not strike me as an individual who would obtain a gun illegally. Yet clearly there was something that drove him to do what he did, and that he had a gun so easily and readily available to do it.
The most notable thing for me was when I was hiding out in my office, not yet knowing the exact facts of the situation, whether the shooter was alive, or dead, or where he could be, or what exactly had happened.
Sitting under the desk like that, I was not thinking, "I wish I had a gun." I was only thinking that I wanted to stay right there, under the desk, until I knew it was safe to come out. That was it. That was all that was on my mind.
It was just a weird, weird day. Like I say, I'm still trying to process it all.
Loudly
(2,436 posts)He deprived his wife of all her genuine rights because of an imaginary "right" claimed to exist under the 2A.
It empowered him to act out with extreme prejudice.
And what is his punishment? Has justice been done?
onehandle
(51,122 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)EC
(12,287 posts)I too, would not want to have a gun or have to shot someone. I would have hide or run too...but it really makes me mad that we now have to put up with shit like this because of chickens in the Senate and the House. I'm even madder at Harry Reid for not changing the filibuster rules.
Hugs
Chellee
(2,095 posts)I'm glad you're safe. I'll be thinking about you, everyone in your office, and her poor family.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)But I am glad you are ok.
LiberalEsto
(22,845 posts)Glad you're okay, though
Mnemosyne
(21,363 posts)as you and would never think of having a gun, either. These things are happening so often these days, so sad.
niyad
(113,259 posts)for you and your co-workers. A number of years ago, I had gone to talk to my local isp guys about a problem I was having (their offices were in a large office building.) After I got home, I turned on the tv, to learn that only a few minutes after I left, a man entered the building, and the office (not my isp, but next door) where his ex-wife (who had a restraining order) worked, and killed her in front of her co-workers. Alas, he did not kill himself. He was found by the police a short time later. I think about how terrifying it was for everyone there, and how very lucky I was to have missed it, even by a few minutes.
KT2000
(20,576 posts)if this takes a long time to settle in your head. My super logical sister came close to being hit in a mall shooting. She talked about how calm she was and though it was years ago, she still brings it up - just to replay it. Things that do not make sense take a while to deal with.
IrishEyes
(3,275 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)No,..more like, "I wish they didn't have a gun" would be my guess.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,173 posts)...someone who has a gun in their home is more likely to be a victim of gun violence than they are to use that gun in self-defense.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Aristus
(66,316 posts)I'm right there with you.
About 13 years ago, before I got into medicine, I was a teller at a local bank. We got robbed at gunpoint once, and never once during that time (it was about 5 minutes, but seemed like half an hour) did I wish I had a gun. I was wishing the guy would go away...
If someone had had a gun and tried to be a hero, the guy would have started shooting. People would have been hurt or killed. Not worth the couple thousand he got away with; and the cash was insured anyway...
tavalon
(27,985 posts)Expect some processing dreams soon. Scary shit. I know not nearly as awful for you as for the victim but it isn't a contest. Those minutes under your desk must have seemed to last forever. As will your memory of this.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,173 posts)I was scared, but not hysterical.
Because the gun shots were in such quick, rapid succession (no more than 2 seconds tops), and then total silence, I knew that we were not dealing with a Sandy Hook style mass shooting. My main concern was that the shooter, if he was alive, might flee to our office suite and we'd be dealing with a hostage standoff situation.
I was concerned about some of my co-workers in my office suite, if I could have helped them I would have, but my immediate gut instinct was to keep myself in the most secure possible location as possible. Given that I was currently sitting in a 10 x 10 office room with a door, a lock and a desk with a large enough opening in the back, that was the most logical place to stay.
Turns out all my co-workers reacted pretty much similarly.
I heard one of my co-workers from outside saying she was calling 911. I thought about calling 911 myself, but at that point it would have been redundant. I then thought whether I should call my wife, but I didn't want to alarm her too much at that point. I decided to text my boss, who wasn't yet in the office, something that probably came off as rather cryptic in retrospect, "I think I heard gunshots in our building."
But if there was ever an event that would make me change my mind about carrying a gun on my person, this would have been it. But the thought never crossed my mind once, and I doubt I would have felt any differently had I been armed.
bluedigger
(17,086 posts)You and your coworkers may want to inquire as to the possibility of your employer sponsoring some group (and/or individual) therapy, as you are all victims of gun violence, too.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,173 posts)Obviously, it all pales in comparision to the victim. She and the husband had two children together (now college aged). I can't imagine what it would be like to have to hear that news.
Paladin
(28,252 posts)You're right: the easy availability of guns facilitates this sort of appalling incident. And pro-gun activists see these occurrences as an acceptable trade-off for their easy access to firearms. Things need to change.