Exxon booting media, restricted airspace in place over oil spill.

[Cannikin]

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As Arkansas AG Dustin MacDaniel tours the spill site now, others are slipping into the area to get first hand reports. A local reporter, in addition to the news director of two of our stations just Tweeted that tensions were running high as the AG tours, and Exxon has once again booted the media from the site. Please keep spreading the word.

Edit: I just found out an airspace restriction has been put in place over the spill area.
http://tfr.faa.gov/save_pages/detail_3_8699.html

This photo was Tweeted from AG MacDaniel. He says this is the origin of the leak.
:large

[PDJane]

1. This can't be cleaned up.

I don't care what Exxon is saying, it can't be cleaned up. The boom in the lake is window dressing, because the damn stuff sinks; boom isn't going to help it. We are watching the last bit of destruction of our world.

[uponit7771]

6. +1, oil smells like dead body...it will smell like that for decades

[A HERETIC I AM]

24. " We are watching the last bit of destruction of our world."

Really? Seriously?

Yes this situation sucks and yes it is a mess and yes it will be screwed up for a long time, but it isn't the end of the damned world, for crying out loud.


Your post reminds me of a similar one during the Gulf Spill, when it was reported that tar balls had been found in the Florida Keys, something that has been washing ashore literally for decades, and a DU'er proclaimed the Keys "Ruined".


Nothing like a little bit of the ol' over-the-top to get your point across, eh?

[PDJane]

41. Let me be honest.

We are picking up starving seal pups on the coast of california. Why? The suspicion is that there are no herring there this year. We are picking up dying wildlife around the spill in Arkansas. The pipeline project will go under more than 1,000 waterways, including the great lakes.

Perhaps I should have said the beginning of the end; however, as the environment dies, what in hell do you think is going to spare people?

[Marr]

2. Our media will report on this after the Keystone XL is approved.

Maybe.

[Oilwellian]

3. Exxon doesn't run the show in just Arkansas

Of course we knew that already.

[Berlum]

4. Occultism

Is The Republican, Inc. WAY.

They hide everything from the American people. And they have lots of skanky shit to hide.

[tularetom]

5. The AG can't force Exxon to allow the media access to the spill site?

I realize they don't want an army of reporters running around and getting in the way but they must have some grasp of the PR implications of this incident and its potential impact on future pipeline development in the US.

Or else they know the AG isn't going to go after them anyway and they just don't give a shit what the media and/or the public think.

[annabanana]

8. I want to know why the FAA agreed . . .n/t

[hootinholler]

18. That's a pretty standard TFR for things like this

Its ceiling is 1000 feet, which isn't very high at all and well within range of photographic lenses.

I think the Presidential TFRs have a much higher ceiling.

[spanone]

40. if i lived in that neighborhood, i would invite every news service in the world to my home

and dare the fucking cops to keep them out.

[JDPriestly]

7. It's up to the people in the area to get the news out, to take photos

and keep diaries and measurements.

Of course, Exxon will try to make settlements contingent on the silence of those who accept payments.

I'm wondering who will be blamed. Do you think that Exxon will accuse someone of sabotage?

That thought has crossed my mind.

Of course, that is one of the great weaknesses of the pipelines.
The danger is that if Exxon accuses someone publicly of successfully sabotaging a pipeline, it plants a seeds in the minds of other crazy, destructive people.

The oil pipelines are just not a good answer for our energy problems.

[SoCalDem]

31. or rent their roofs to the media..

[KansDem]

9. We need to stop calling it a "spill"

Here's a "spill"--



What we have here...



...is a "catastrophic eruption."

[Buzz Clik]

13. No, it's a pipeline break resulting in the release of 4000+ barrels of crude.

It's a big friggin' mess, but it is not a catastrophic eruption.

Maybe you could go all in on your hyperbole and label it Armageddon. The End of Times. The Death of All Mankind.

[dixiegrrrrl]

26. Actually bigger spill than that.

The central Arkansas spill caused by Exxon’s aging Pegasus pipeline has reportedly unleashed 10,000 barrels of Canadian heavy crude -

The central Arkansas spill caused by Exxon’s aging Pegasus pipeline has reportedly unleashed 10,000 barrels of Canadian heavy crude -

[Buzz Clik]

30. Not sure how many barrels are in a catastrophic eruption...

... but it's more than 10,000

[SoCalDem]

32. Reminds me of the gross underestimation of crowd size (by Fox)

when liberals assemble...and their gross overestimation when they assemble..

that's why we need PICTURES

[Buzz Clik]

10. Ain't that a pip. They found a loophole that keeps them from cleaning it up...

... but they own the airspace above it?

Fuck them.

[AzDar]

11. Un-Effing-Believable.

[James48]

19. Answer:

You can fly higher than 1,000, but it would not be possible, in the NOTAM that has been issued, for just anyone to call in and attmept to get permission to fly within. It's written to preclude that.


I've been a pilot 30+ years.

this isn't that uncommon for them to issue such a restriction- although it does not seem to me to be necessary- I doubt that the oil vapor is sifficent to cause an airplane to crash if it flew through the vapors. And I don't think it's high enough to light on fire just from an airplane flying through it . That basically is what it would take - either of those scenarios- to justify the 1,000 foot restriction issued. I do not see the volume of traffic justifying the ban.

[bvar22]

25. The FAA did a smart thing.

The FAA has learned the hard way that anything like this can cause dangerous congestion as anyone with a "Private" ticket in their pocket, either out joyriding
or transiting that area will divert to "have a look".

The temptation is HUGE,
pilots are sight-seerers by nature,
and the potential for mid air collisions is HIGH.
Even the best of pilots can be caught sight seeing and gawking at the ground instead of Flying-the-Plane when things like this happen.
Most of the time, we get away with it, but this appears to be a very localized spot.

I'm sure there will be plenty of video available.


"They" are very lucky this time.
This could have happened where it spilled into one of the pristine Arkansas lakes of rivers. The damage to this spot will be heavy and long lasting, but can be limited to a small area.


If I owned property in this area, I would already have my lawyers drawing up papers stating that "NO amount of money could replace the love I had for my little spot of heaven."

[hootinholler]

20. Yes, there are no restrictions above 1000'

It's pretty standard stuff and planes carrying press are allowed in unless there's a valid over-riding concern:

4.?The aircraft is carrying properly accredited news representatives and, prior to entering that area, a flight plan is filed with FSS or the ATC facility specified in the NOTAM. Flight plans must include aircraft identification, type, and color; radio frequencies to be used; proposed times of entry to and exit from the TFR area; the name of news media or organization and purpose of flight.

Here is the governing regulation. The above excerpt is from it.

[cbrer]

14. Do they plan on shooting down transgressors? nt

[snooper2]

15. The "no fly zone" is a little bit of an untruthy...misleading at best

If one would actually read at the FAA site---


Center: On the LITTLE ROCK VORTAC (LIT) 319 degree radial at 22.4 nautical miles. (Latitude: 34º58'55"N, Longitude: 92º26'42"W)
Radius: 5 nautical miles
Altitude: From the surface up to and including 1000 feet AGL



UP TO and INCLUDING 1000 feet AGL (AGL = at ground level) for those that don't know.

So you can hover a chopper over that area at 1100' and shoot video all day long. Ask the lazy media why they aren't on this like a car chase

[DFW]

16. All the "no-fly" orders in the world won't create a "no-smell" zone.

Even Republican-dominated state legislatures can't enforce a temporary ban on the use of olfactory nerves.

[Autumn]

17. Who's air space is it and under who's orders is it closed?

Bet your ass they want this hidden, at least until Keystone is approved. Are there other pipes they are sending this shit down in?

[Downtown Hound]

21. Since when does a corporation have the right to decide where the media goes?

I won't be holding my breath for anybody in our limp-dick, boot licking corporate media to be asking these questions.

[hamsterjill]

22. Ding! Ding!! Ding!!!

Exactly...

[Cannikin]

23. Good question.

Our AG is tweeting that he is upset over being taken "on a tour" by Exxon while he's trying to conduct an investigation.

[City Lights]

33. Thank you for asking!

That is exactly the question I want answered!

[Blue_Tires]

35. Sadly, I think BP alreadyset the precedent with that oil rig disaster...

[woo me with science]

36. Thank you. THIS is the point.

Need further proof that corporations run this country?

[Matariki]

27. Disgusting.

That they can make the government enforce a cover-up for their benefit. They need to be destroyed. Utterly destroyed. And their CEO's need to be jailed.

[woo me with science]

37. [phone]

[malaise]

28. BS

Exxon does not own the airspace - they can't tell homeowners what to do without Federal and/or State permission

[Gin]

29. Question.....cars parked in affected driveways

Could they drive through the oil safely? And would it come off the car easily? Are they shit outta luck on house and cars an had to abandoned all of it?

Just wondering...

[A HERETIC I AM]

34. Dawn dishwashing detergent is a wonderful thing.

And yes, a car can drive through it with no worries. It will just make a mess on the car, but it can be cleaned off. It wont affect the tires as long as they don't soak in it.

If you placed a tire in a vat of crude, it will make the rubber softer, from what I understand of the chemistry. After all, all tires these days are pretty much petroleum products. Just try and find a tire made from 100% true rubber. They are prohibitively expensive.

[lpbk2713]

38. Nothing to worry about ... if you want to follow the half-governor's advice.

"Trust the oil industry" ... says Palin.


Would The Quitter tell us a story?

Does the Pope crap in the woods?




Link: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/03/sarah-palin-says-trust-th_n_561660.html

[woo me with science]

39. kick