Two weeks ago they decided they needed a 'replacement' for my position

[DainBramaged]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022586654


Today, the piece of shit unqualified H1B phony is out on his ass.


Apologies abound, I even get a bigger office and a meager raise.


Don't know if they'll pull the same shit down the road, but maybe they learned their lesson.

Fuck the job stealer's and their enablers

[99Forever]

1. A huge victory for you, DB...

... and a small (but important) one for all of us.

WTG.

[Lasher]

2. Great news!

I browsed the linked thread. I thirst for more information.

[loudsue]

12. That's what I'd like....MORE INFORMATION PLEASE!!!

The linked thread didn't say much about what transpired, and THIS thread didn't say how you managed to be victorious in all this.

[riverbendviewgal]

3. great news

Nice to read you are recognized for your abilities.

[warrior1]

4. Good.

[JayhawkSD]

5. I was once told I needed to train my replacement

It turned out to be because I was being transferred to another department in an upward, career enhancing move,

How do you know that this person being "out on his ass" does not mean that you are celebrating your own loss of opportunity?

In any case, I like tales of success, but not when they gleefully recount having succeed by causing someone else to fail.

And I do not join the chorous when people use derogatory terms about others and celebrate other people's loss.

[slor]

13. I agree with you...

I dislike to see people celebrate someone's loss, particularly when it happens through no fault of their own. This person probably did not set out to take the job. The suggestion to train poorly is a bad idea too, as it may ultimately reflect on the trainer. Now, I am not saying the OP can't avoid warning the replacement about the co-workers to stay clear of, and other such office politics I also want to say that I should feel very lucky to have worked with bosses that were typically upfront to me about such things. Glad it worked out for you, OP, and I hope things work out for the replacement.

[SheilaT]

19. What was the time lapse between your being told,

"Here's your replacement and you must train this person," and "By the way, you're being promoted"? Hopefully the second statement actually came first.

I've never been faced with it, but I hope I'd have the backbone to refuse to train a replacement if I was going to be out of a job entirely after training.

[JDPriestly]

26. I rejoice if someone who didn't have a rich uncle, someone who

played by the rules and has student loans to repay, gets a job and a chance to have a life, maybe, maybe, maybe even pay back those loans and start a family.

I am not pleased if some spoiled brat from India or China whose parents were upper class in those countries, who had (a relatively easy life (compared to his compatriots in his home country) and owes nothing on student loans gets to come to America on a special visa and work here for a few years and take the job some American-kid-in-debt or older-person-trying-to-save-for-retirement or even some middle-{aged-worker-trying-to-send-kids-to-college needs.

Please. This isn't about race or ethnicity or where someone is from.

But I don't like to see kids who are stuck in America and can't get jobs in India or China or wherever undercut by kids from India and China. It's not about race or ethnicity. It's about giving American kids a chance.

Part of the whole myth that justifies the special visas is the repeated mantra that American schools are not up to par.

Well, if that is so, why do we have so many foreign students in our universities? They come here to learn from our American professors who happen to be among the best in the world.

So, there is a whole set of false ideas about the US and the rest of the world, a set of ideas based on a sort of inferiority complex about Americans that is completely false.

And its that false complex of ideas about how we don't compare well to people, to scholars and workers in other countries that I do not like. I've been in other countries. I've lived and worked there. And we can certainly hold our own. We don't need to import workers.

[Duer 157099]

38. Amen

My sentiments exactly.

People don't quite realize that many of the H1Bs that are issued are to the most fortunate members of those other countries, where they likely got a "free" education or at least subsidized by their not-poor families. These are not the "poor unwashed masses" of those countries, but rather the upper upper classes. It is rare indeed to have a "poor" citizen of China or India or wherever be able to come to the US on an H1B. And their family's relative wealth in the other country subsidizes their ability to undercut American labor wages. Plus not having student loans, etc.

And don't even get me started on unpaid or severely-underpaid internshits (yes, intentional). I've had it with all of this. It is pure-D Bull Shit.

[Cleita]

52. I've riffed on internships before too. They are just unpaid slave labor IMHO.

Many here do disagree though.

[JDPriestly]

56. Internships should at least be subject to the minimum wage.

It's shameful, and it undercuts people who have to earn a living and work as waitresses and truck drivers and never have the chance to do an "internship" to improve their resumes. It's disgusting.

[Cleita]

57. Exactly. It's only the rich kids with trust funds or indulgent

parents who get the experience. Back in my day all trainees had to get at least minimum wage until their training period was over. It was the law.

[LuvNewcastle]

39. +1000

Well said.

[LiberalEsto]

40. I agree with you

My husband is an IT professional and has seen dozens upon dozens of co-workers replaced by cheap foreign labor over the past 10-15 years. Now some of these overseas folks are working in Human Resources and doing the hiring, which puts American citizens at a further disadvantage.

But I keep reminding myself that it isn't really their fault. It's the greedy CEOs who want to bring in lower-paid workers to replace Americans, and avoid having to pay for benefits.

[IrishAyes]

87. Don't forget

One hand washes the other.

[IrishAyes]

85. Our friend

... probably would've said so if his case had been like your own. From MY observations, most people expected to train their own replacements were NOT being promoted, but rather kicked to the curb for cheaper labor. No one ever dared try to make me do that because they knew I'd spit in their face and quit first, and I always took care to make myself as irreplaceable as I could. If I ever had been in our friend's situation, I'd have shoveled as much horse manure down that trainee's throat as possible to be sure he/she came to no good end when left alone to prove worth.

BTW, I never would've accepted a trainee position if I knew the other guy was headed to the dump. No way. If I had, I'd have deserved every horrible thing that ever happened to me afterwards. Karma's a bitch. She's also my twin sister.

[malaise]

6. Love it

Delish!

[DainBramaged]

59. .....

[peace frog]

60. Poetic justice

sometimes the good guys actually win. Congratulations and carry on!

[Lizzie Poppet]

7. Victory!

I know we've disagreed pretty vehemently on a few things, but hey, this is your <i>livelihood</i> we're talkin' here. Glad it worked out for you!

[Myrina]

8. Maximize their guilt

Enjoy the office, save as much $ as you can and spend as much time as possible looking for a new job with a company that doesn't treat people like shit (I know, they're reallly really hard to find anymore) .... and when you're in the position, tell them to stuff it & leave for your new gig.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

9. Get the organization to investigate its failure & fire the jerk who enabled the lying job stealer.nt

[Bernardo de La Paz]

11. Ironies! I forgot how Mr DainBramaged publicly & loudly announced

Ironies! I realize now that Mr DainBramaged publicly & loudly announced a few weeks ago that he was blocking me.

Somebody will have to quote my previous post supporting Mr DainBramaged for his benefit so that he can see it!

I posted supportively because I don't look at the poster first, nor do I bear grudges. I have blocked zero (0) people at DU.

[closeupready]

29. Maybe figure out why he blocked you; maybe it was deserved.

And you owe him an apology?

What was the discussion which led to him blocking you?

[Mojorabbit]

41. I believe he has a ton of people blocked from his prev statements. nt

[closeupready]

43. I'm probably on his list, too, and I probably deserved to be ignored.

I can be an old grouch, I know.

[stevenleser]

46. You aren't old!

[closeupready]

48. Then I must be the youngest dinosaur EVAH!

And on edit, I see - you're saying I'm a grouch? !!

[Posteritatis]

62. Yep - a number of people screwed up here, not just the guy who got fired. (nt)

[Enrique]

10. don't blame the guy

he probably just wants a job like everyone else.

I'm with you on the h1b issue however.

[MineralMan]

14. Sometimes waiting a bit provides a different result

than you expect. Or so I've experienced.

[LibDemAlways]

15. There is no need whatever for H1Bs. They do nothing but

steal jobs from qualified Americans who don't want to work for slave wages. Buy something on the cheap, get what you pay for. So glad this worked out for you.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

24. Wrong.

I had coworkers equally qualified being paid equal wages and we weren't paid slave wages. I know of one case where a Canadian software engineer with a B.Sc. found a flaw in a computer board about to go out that a couple of born and bred American Ph.D.s had missed. The board had to be delayed and redone.

[LibDemAlways]

33. Sorry, but no. That doesn't mean an American couldn't have found the problem.

My husband is one of the finest, most qualified Software Engineers you'd ever want to have working for you. When he was laid off three years ago because of management screw ups that forced his division to shut down, he couldn't even get an interview because employers were salivating over H1Bs who'd work for less. He finally took a job with a government contractor that could only hire US citizens for the job. You don't see other countries recruiting non-citizens for technical jobs. Only the US where cheap companies look for cheap labor. It's a disgrace.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

44. They could not get an American, so they got the Canadian on the H1B. The American company

The American company moved forward instead of being held back and everybody made good equal money.

And wrong again. Other countries, for example Canada and Australia, actively recruit outside for skilled and technical jobs.

[jeff47]

68. There's an error in your statement.

Here, lemme fix it for you:

They could not get an American for the same price, so they got the Canadian on the H1B

There are enormous numbers of qualified people in these fields. It's quite easy to find an American to do the job. You just have to pay them more, and accept that they have far more autonomy than H1Bs.

I'm fully aware you feel this particular H1B was not underpaid. You're wrong. If the pay was appropriate, they'd have been able to find an American.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

69. Wrong. I was there. You were not. The Canadian was fully paid and got stock options.

[jeff47]

71. I fully understand you believe that.

But you are operating under the belief that unemployed Americans looked at the job opportunity and said "No".

[Bernardo de La Paz]

74. I know the facts in the situation. You weren't there and you pretend to know.

The company paid more money for the Canadian than if an American had been available because of the immigration lawyers involved and extra moving expenses, etc. There was no incentive for the company to pay extra money like that if an American had been found. They looked. They took resumes, did interviews, advertised.

They also hired a Taiwanese Ph.D., but she was already in the USA.

Stop blowing smoke about a situation you have no knowledge about. You don't know what year, what company, etc.

[jeff47]

92. So the company is run by morons?

The company paid more money for the Canadian than if an American had been available because of the immigration lawyers involved and extra moving expenses, etc.

Yet they apparently weren't willing to pay those moving expenses with a US engineer.

Odd. Almost like it didn't cost them more.

It's even odder that they would hire such an important and critical employee knowing that he would have to leave the country in 6 years.

You don't know what year, what company, etc.

I don't have to.

There has never been a time where there were zero unemployed engineers in the US. Even during the dot-com boom, they could be found.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

108. No, company not run by morons.

They were very willing to pay moving expenses for a US engineer. They couldn't find one.

The project was already delayed. In six years the company could easily have gone out of business in a very competitive industry if they had to wait a year or two half the time for an American (not just that one but also others in the company). So, you would like that? Throw dozens of American engineers out of work in a loss to foreign competition because you would deny them a few H1Bs? Nuts. Ideology trumping sound policy. Cutting off one's nose to spite one's face.

Of course there were engineers around. But a civil engineer is not going to be able to write specialized graphics code, not even your average computer engineer.

never been a time where there were zero unemployed engineers in the US. Even during the dot-com boom, they could be found.

And of course there are always incompetent engineers to hire, which is the reason they are unemployed in boom times.

However, there is no convincing those know-it-all people who think they know everything about things they know nothing about when they weren't there. No convincing people who start from an ideological position and don't let facts get in the way of their wishful thinking. Enough.

[MADem]

77. Australia is hiring US military separatees/retirees.

They only want specific skillsets, the people are given dual citizenship, and they are enlisted/commissioned in the Australian military. Full benefits, to include retirement if they stay long enough.

It's a global world now. It's not going to change. Salaries in China are already on the rise. We'll need robots to keep stuff cheap (and robot repairmen, of course.....)

[lumberjack_jeff]

34. Absolutely yes.

Most H1b's are educated in US schools.

Simple solution: educate a citizen instead.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

45. Yes, education is absolutely fundamentally the key.

Do you think the Republicans have the answer in private and charter schools? Rhetorical question, here's the answer:

[RILib]

36. there should be maybe 100 H1-B visas a year

Unique individuals like research people, but that's it. I worked in tech and it was not even a secret that H1-Bs were being brought in for salary reasons, despite ostensibly being hired at equal salaries.

In my experience working with H1-Bs, they are unqualified. However, since companies are fine with producing junk products nowadays, that doesn't much matter to the company.

[hugo_from_TN]

47. Undocumented workers take a lot more jobs that H1Bs do.

They also drive down wages for the working poor.

[DainBramaged]

91. Really?

What jobs do they take? High level PC jobs? Banking? Law firm clerical outsourcing? Call centers? Support and customer service? All of the jobs that involve off-shoring good paying living wage white collar jobs? Or do they take away the menial labor jobs that Americans refuse to take because they can't live here and work for less than minimum wage?

The undocumented workers, they're your farm laborers, construction laborers, service workers like office cleaners, warehouse pickers, fast food workers, all the menial jobs that corporate America wants to pay less than prevailing wage to ATTRACT these undocumented workers.


They aren't taking jobs, the jobs are there because corporate America is fucking greedy. They don't care about their home market they only worry about the stockholders.


WalMart, suffering from loss of customers because they can't keep the shelves stocked. Why? Because they can't get people to break their back for minimum wage and zero benefits and to accept welfare and food assistance, Walmart can't bring the undocumented workers in any more.

Undocumented workers aren't taking anything, Corporate America is the one taking. That's why they tried to replace me, and the worker was a phony, I'm sure his documents were too. It's all about cheap labor, fuck America.

[Honeycombe8]

96. Undoc. immigrants do in fact take American jobs. Just because it's not YOUR job doesn't make them

less important.

In my area, which has a LOT of undoc. workers, they do roofing, construction, landscaping, work for nurseries planting trees, lawn mowing companies (they own their own lawn mowing businesses), janitorial jobs, maids, bus boys, etc. Each and every one of those jobs had in the past been done by American workers. Some Americans still do those jobs, but it seems to be mainly undoc. workers.

Would Americans work for the same wages that undoc. workers do? No. That's why the undoc workers are hired.

It's a fallacy that undoc workers are hired because no Americans want to do the work. No Americans want to do the work at the wage that an undoc worker will accept.

(The reason undoc workers can work for the lower wages: Here, several families, or a group of men, will get together and lease or buy outright a house, in which they will all live; they send money back home to their families; the workers in the U.S. gradually save enough money to move out on their own, at which time new undoc. workers come in to the country and take their place in the house. So they can live cheaply that way, and have money to save. I ran across a couple of these houses when I was looking to buy a house years ago. They were strange. Several men just sitting around...toilets installed in hallways....strange rooms added on in the back and not built properly...a goat....a rooster. If you think about it, you need a lot of toilets when you have a group of men living in a 2-bath house.) I don't begrudge them for wanting to make $ to send back to their country, but I'm pointing out that they are, in many cases, taking American jobs, even though those jobs aren't important to educated people like yourself.

[DainBramaged]

102. "because they can't live here and work for less than minimum wage"?

That's what I said in my reply wasn't it?




Did you think I was blaming the undocumented workers for taking the jobs???

[Honeycombe8]

106. No. But there is no diff. tween the work visa people & undoc workers. Same thing.

They are here because corporate America wants them here for cheap labor. In both cases, Americans once had those jobs, and Americans could fill them now.

[klook]

16. Congratulations, DB!

So nice that your employer is eating crow and you're back in the (newly polished) saddle.

It's good to know that being good at what you do is still considered worth paying for -- at least in some places.

[cherokeeprogressive]

17. Glad to hear it! n/t

[MurrayDelph]

18. I was replaced three years ago

by a company too big and full of itself to have admitted their mistake.

I was part of what was an end-of-quarter tradition; replace a US worker with a "contractor" from the company-owned subsidiary in India.

In the several months before it was my turn, I lost count of how many times, the replacements would send an email asking me (or anyone in my group; we all would get the emails) to "please do the needful" which we translated as "Please do my job for me."

[Skittles]

55. I deal with those replacements

THEY SUCK!!! They have very much lowered the standards to where stuff that was resolved in 10 minutes in America now routinely takes hours offshore.

And I still get those IMs and emails and phone calls asking for help FIVE YEARS LATER.

OH and I flat-out tell them STOP SAYING "DO THE NEEDFUL" - you sound RIDICULOUS

[ellisonz]

70. Do the "needful and the mindful" !!!

[cartach]

20. Job stealers,enablers?

Not enough information to form an opinion even with link. Gotta be a lot more to the story.

[uponit7771]

21. Anyone hear NPR segment on H1B visa cap this morning? I mean REALLY?! Jobs for US citizens cause H1B

...visa holders got them first?

that's what the persons rational was; since more H1B holders get hired that means more US citizens will be hired later...

Asinine at best

[FSogol]

22. I heard that. Laughbly pathetic. No NPR donation this year from me. n/t

[mojowork_n]

49. They're not reporting news, they're shaping public opinion, or... manufacturing attitudes

Our local paper had a similar story on Page ONE:

http://www.jsonline.com/business/caterpillar-ceo-wants-more-visas-for-engineers-path-for-undocumented-immigrants-nr9d6ou-201155701.html

They have the nerve to quote un-named or sourced "some experts" who "say...":

Some experts say it has become ever more important for U.S. companies to recruit highly skilled workers such as scientists and engineers globally, especially as baby boomers retire. Without changes in immigration policy, they say, U.S. companies could suffer from prolonged talent shortages.

The playing field has changed. Now it's more attractive for an engineer from India, for example, to return home after finishing school in the United States, said Erich Straub, a Milwaukee immigration attorney.

"In the past, we were the only game in town. If you wanted to succeed in a field like engineering, the U.S. is where you came," he said.

In the U.S., only about 4% of students currently in the ninth grade eventually will earn a bachelor's degree in science, technology, engineering or math, even as thousands of people retire from those fields in the next decade.

[Habibi]

23. THAT is some serious hurray, right there.

[OhioChick]

25. Congrats!

[ReRe]

27. Well, great that your employer seen the light...

... and your job was saved. For now. What I suggest you and everyone who are employed do is play it both ways. Everyone needs to be looking for jobs that you are qualified for all the time. If the pay, benefits, location and job security is better than your present job, take it (heavy on the job security.) This business of "the bottom line rules" can be played both ways.

[closeupready]

30. Agreed. If they did it once, you can be damn sure they'll try again.

If it's in their fiscal interests, with no regard to loyalty to their own employees.

[glinda]

28. Hehe.

[closeupready]

31. Terrific! But as I said upthread - be damn sure they'll try this again,

if a beneficial opportunity presents itself. They feel no loyalty to you, whatsoever. K&R

[Melinda]

32. Many of us offered you sound advice in your other thread; can you explain what transpired since?

Please? Did you go to EEOC? Another route? It would be nice to know if any of our advice helped you. And congratulations!

[ClarkJonathanKent]

35. If I may ask a question....

I am in a similar situation where I am being asked to train someone. The person is supposedly just a "back-up" for when I am sick or on vacation. That being said, my coworkers do not think my boss is sincere when he says this, especially since my assistant is already trained to fill in for me on those days, but is not being considered as the "back-up" by my boss.

I want to give my boss the benefit of the doubt, but I also don't want to naively train my permanent replacement. Do you guys think it would be reasonable to agree to train this person, but only on the condition that my boss sign a document saying I can't be fired without cause? Would such a contract override the law here in Florida, which is a "right to work" state?

[RILib]

37. Clark

I would be working on your resume and looking for another job. Even if your boss signed such a document, do you have the thousands of dollars for legal fees to fight a firing? and don't you think the boss would start giving you bad performance reviews to document cause.

[pennylane100]

42. You have a lot of discretion in how you train your replacement.

If they are asking you to train your replacement with the intention of firing you, it would be understandable if you did not put any real effort into it and possible forget some really instructions. Some tasks when done incorrectly and would show major problems further down the road would be ones to consider.

[Posteritatis]

63. Yeah, if they're hiring 'backup' for anything other than "insane workload" reasons I'd worry

I had people hired on as actual backup at my last job because the company was booming like mad and I actually needed a few extra sets of hands around, but when things quieted down there was a definite "get this guy up to speed on all your particular tasks, not just the main job description" tone going on. I was planning to leave the job soon anyway, as I'm interested in working in a different field and just wasn't happy with how the place was being run anyway, but if I'd wanted to stay there the red flags would have been very very worrisome.

[IrishAyes]

90. Contracts be damned

If they want to dump you, they'll manufacture an 'excuse'.

I worked for one company where the head of bookkeeping was about to retire on his pension, having served that bunch of goons all his working life. Two months before Freedom, they suddenly discovered that he'd been robbing the company blind all those years and they fired him - no pension. Employment contract null and void. His assistant set to work and proved that the books were legit, then she got fired too for her effort.

There's no real justice you can't enforce yourself.

[MattBaggins]

100. In honesty, If you can look for another job, do so.

[Cleita]

50. A big hug for you and keeping your job.

I hope they don't pull that shit on you again. Just in case though keep your resume updated and quietly shop around for something else. At least now you have the time and luxury to make a change on your terms.

[Liberal_in_LA]

51. glad your job is safe / safer

[liberal N proud]

53. Good for you!

Hope it lasts

[Skittles]

54. but....but.....they are TALENT!!!! We NEED THEM!!!

OMG what a fucking joke

[DainBramaged]

58. My company was pitched by an American who said he could "lower their IT costs significantly"

Last edited Wed Apr 3, 2013, 06:58 PM - Edit history (2)

by putting in contract on-call 'specialists' instead of paying for on-staff IT (me, actually a SYSADMIN).


Besides th fact the fucking guy didn't bathe, he spent most of his time on the phone speaking to someone in his language to get help with what I was trying to teach him (the little I was teaching him).

When I called him out in front of the bosses, he claimed he was told this was an on-the-job taring position, not an experienced position.


The 30 day trial contract was broken by his statement that he wasn't qualified. Then I told ownership the next time they pulled that stunt I'd go elsewhere or quit on the spot , his ass was shown the door and a taxi was called since he was dropped off every day by a van.


Fuck H1B and their enablers, and those of you WHO feel sorry for this prick, imagine how you'd feel if YOUR job was given to a Foreign national... but since you're in 'safe' jobs why should you worry about those of us in vulnerable jobs.


Have a nice evening.


PS


Excuse makers and H1B enablers, go read someone else's thread, I won't answer you in this fucking lifetime. You're nothing more than Right-wing enablers giving American jobs to foreigners, American jobs for SKILLED EDUCATED Americans not people brought here to scam our jobs away.

[limpyhobbler]

66. What's the point of blaming the worker? Why don't you blame the policy or the company instead?

That worker is probably being screwd over worse than you are.

How do we really know if you bathe as much as you claim to.

[DonCoquixote]

61. I offer you champagne

As this is a story I would love to see repeated and repeated over and over again

On the dark side, I still advise you to look around. They were very clearly willing to sell you down the river once, so any pretense of love or loyalty needs to be buried in the same shallow grave they had dug for you.

[limpyhobbler]

64. cool story.

[petronius]

65. Glad to hear your job is safe and your skills recognized! It would be nice if they

learned their lesson, but perhaps as useful is that you've learned something (unpleasant as it may be) about the character of your employers...

[truedelphi]

67. Congratulations on your promotion, and keeping

Your job.

It's a rough economy, so thank goodness you have some security.

Sad thing about the H1B folks who are in our borders working at jobs - they are hired in droves to be repairing our commercial jet airplanes, even though often they know NO or little English and the manuals they are given to them for the repairs are only in English.

[RB TexLa]

72. Got to love it, someone who wants to come be a part of our country and have a better life are

"job stealer's"

Some people are truly sick.

[DainBramaged]

73. American jobs for everyone else, u bet, keep up the good work.

PS


we're sick? I'm sick, Right. Two words and they aren't have sugar

[curlyred]

76. I'm with you

I would be PISSED. Unqualified guy, probably misled the recruiter.who was probably an evil Basturd too.

[OhioChick]

80. More friends leaving?

RB TexLa

I have three friends who have to leave the country by the end of the month, I hope all you who feel

only Americans deserve jobs are happy with the results of the HB1 resrictions in TARP. I'm sure some of you will be happy they have to leave so those jobs can go to their rightfull owners, ie "Red blooded Mericans."

How someone can think one person has more of a right to a job because of where they were born and still claim to be a part of humanity is beyond me.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6049305

Sorry, but I'd rather see jobs in the US going to qualified US citizens.

[DainBramaged]

88. Some folks here think only Foreign nationals deserve American jobs

and have the Walker anti-Union mentality to boot.

Thanks for the link, says a lot about the poster. And his real motivations.

[Plucketeer]

75. One for the White Hats! nt

[harmonicon]

78. No immigrants in your family history then? Fascinating. (nt)

[DainBramaged]

79. This isn't' the 1800's when America needed immigrants to fill the sweat shops and fields

This is the 21st century where we ship all of our manufacturing to the cheapest labor country and bring in immigrants to replace living wage white collar jobs with minimum wage unqualified workers trained by their predecessors.


How sanctimonious of you to ask.

[harmonicon]

81. HAHAHAHA!!!! "needed"!!!! HAHAHAHA!!!!!

You're fucking hilarious.

[DainBramaged]

86. Oh I forgot the quotation marks and the sarcasm smiley to clue you in

I guess living in the land of offshore bank haven heaven you think you have a clue.


Have a nice life.


PS


I'd add something after your "fucking" comment, but I'm not going to give you the satisfaction of getting me locked out of my thread, instead, I'll put you on ignore like the rest of the Anti-Union anti- living wage jobs apologists here.

Reply to your Swiss banker's heart's content. If you had to wing your butt to Switzerland for work, you proved my point. It's all about the investors and the greed.

[harmonicon]

94. I do have a clue. I know a lot more about this than you do.

You know why I live in Switzerland? Because I have to move to where I can get paid to do the work I spent half my life in academia specializing in. I'm an immigrant on a temporary visa for work. I have some sympathy for others in the same situation in whatever country they're in and whatever country they come from. Heaven forbid people like us do what we think is best for our lives without consulting you first.

I can't possibly imagine how you could construe from anything I've ever written in the five or six years that I've been a member here that I'm anti-union or anti-living-wage. Those are two things that I care very much about.

p.s. I don't have a bank account in Switzerland, but I'd consider getting one if it would make xenophobic hypocrites' heads explode.

[Baitball Blogger]

82. It is so good to hear a positive story for a change.

[IrishAyes]

83. Even if

... you are dainbramaged, I'm glad you won out. Congratulations!

And you're certainly not too bramaged to know you can NEVER trust management. Period. Don't let me get started on what I saw myself.

[Tender to the Bone]

84. Wonder what happened.

Next time when the boss decides to go on the "cheap" - remind him what happened to the H1B moron.

Most H1B's are morons, and they don't know what they are doing, and India's exporting them by the buttload.

[cottonseed]

89. They should bring in a younger American worker for you to train.

[IrishAyes]

93. Regardless of where they're from,

Scabs are scabs. W/o strong unions, we're dead meat - and the ownership class knows it.

[cottonseed]

98. A young person trying to get a start is a "scab"?

Maybe if they were union I supposed would be acceptable. It would be nice to see some of the younger generation start gaining valuable experience and an actual paying job.

[DainBramaged]

104. Sure, and all the seniors get booted out of their jobs to eat cat food and die off

you are a peach aren't you.....I bet you think there are just oodles and oodles of jobs for the 60+ crowd out there.......

[IrishAyes]

109. Don't put words in my mouth

People who knowingly displace equally or more qualified labor by undercutting wages are the scabs, no matter what their origin or station in life. Young people had better learn the lessons of the last 30-40 years or they're cutting their own throats as well. Did you happen to see the bit about a certain McDonald's announcing no one w/o a college degree AND 1-2 years cash register experience need apply? Is that what you think serves the country well? Massive student loans and due diligence just to get a minimum (slave labor) wage job?

People who cross picket lines are the lowest form of humanity. When you do so - even by engaging in the behavior described above - or enable others to do it, you're robbing someone else and killing your own future and that of coming generations. Don't ask me to condone that kind of rapacious, self-defeating cultural genocide.

Above all, don't try to excuse that behavior by describing the guilty as 'young person trying to get a job.' It would be as accurate to refer to a mass murderer as simply 'troubled'.

When my ancestors moved here, we pooled our money and BOUGHT farms. Even back then we didn't steal jobs. Theft is theft. Face it. Teach your kids which side their bread really is buttered on.

BTW, in addition to 'an injury to one is an injury to all', there's another union truism: The best business plan in the world is worthless when you've got a riot in the warehouse.'

Or you can go ahead and preach kissing the arse of plutocracy, but I wouldn't suggest doing so in a Teamster or ILWU hiring hall.

I've often said communists are not born, they're made - by the cold hard fist of capitalism. If you want to 'save' America from them or even us ultra socialists, then it's way past time for capitalism to clean up its act. Which it won't, of course, because leopards seldom change spots. That's when the conflagration will come, and it will be self-inflicted. I don't intend to stay awake nights worrying about what the plutocrats and their enablers stand to lose when it happens, either. Best of luck to you!
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PS: A lot of people suppose I named one of my two dogs Molly Maguire just because it's a pretty Irish name. There's a lot more to it. Mostly she's named after an early Irish coal miner's union. And don't try to tell me it was a mythical organization, because some of my ancestors were involved.

[DainBramaged]

95. Really?

do you understand the age discrimination laws? Because they didn't understand those laws either, and I think if I hadn't exposed the fraud, I would have pursued that next. And I got some REAL good advice on that angle.

[cottonseed]

99. So no one can start training under you until you die?

These poor younger people these days are dying for an opportunity. I would love for them to start gaining valuable experience while at the same time pulling in an actual pay check instead of being kicked back into the for profit education system.

[DainBramaged]

105. Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

you poor thing, you worry so much for the young that the old should just die off to make room for them.......

[IrishAyes]

110. And you're perfectly willing to sacrifice their elders to this cause of yours?

How young are you and how long have you been unemployed to take such a heartless tack on your fellow human beings? Remember, what goes around comes around. You'll sing a different tune when you're 60 and on the edge, if you aren't already safely retired and think you can kick others to the curb with impunity.

[MattBaggins]

97. You should look for another job if possible

They will try it again.

If your market isn't friendly at the moment then you may have to suck it up.

[DainBramaged]

103. Working on it

[Renew Deal]

101. NBC did it to Leno and these guys will do it to you

You should quit ASAP

[ramapo]

107. H1B Visas are a curse on Americans

Few issues get me more pissed off then the H1B Visa scam. There is endless debate on the illegal immigration problem but you hear nothing about the legal immigration scandal. Being in the IT field, I've watched countless Americans lose their jobs to H1B holders. It is a disgrace yet the limits keep increasing as the people importers have deep pockets to fund the corrupt politicians.