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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAMAZING Aerial Footage of Arkansas Tar Sands Oil Spill!
I had no idea it was this massive.
This is hundreds of acres of spill, and also contaminates an entire housing sub division.
News media are being kept away, but a chopper got excellent coverage of an enormous area of contamination, both lakes and swamps and neighborhoods.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)That way it'll look like they're doing something.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)SoCalDem
(103,856 posts)NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)Jobs for cleaners
Jobs for disaster response teams
Jobs for helicopter pilots to fly over the spill
SunSeeker
(51,508 posts)alfredo
(60,071 posts)ReRe
(10,597 posts)Why, it's endless! (Just in case someone thinks I'm a bit too exuberant.) It's a big cycle. Make mega-money making a mess, and make mega-money cleaning it up. Get it? It's the reason we go to war. We go use up all our war machines, and then, bygolly, they've got to have more money to make more. Just like that Dell McCoury bluegrass song says "Money money money money, more more more more!" It's the reason we ignore global warming. If we ignore global warming, then we have plenty of work cleaning up the mess. Forget about all the lives lost. Or property loss, by the pollution of oil running all around your house. Human life and our problems mean absolutely nothing. Not when there's money to be made. I can't imagine what those home owners will do now. Would you live there? They will have to condemn that housing area and bulldoze it to the ground. Do home owner's insurance cover oil spills? It'll be a Super-Fund site!
And before you know it, when they finish up that Keystone XL pipeline down through America, why it will be one big effing oily mess all over the effing place. If the American people aren't jerked awake then, then we are unconscious effing zombies, running around with black mucky oily hair and wondering why.
Yet, here we are, millions of our people unemployed. How DO they do that? All this money to be made, and still millions of people out of work.
jonthebru
(1,034 posts)SamKnause
(13,087 posts)Thanks for posting this video dixiegrrrrl.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)I don't even want to think about how many of those booms are placed incorrectly.
One lesson learned, from watching BP's massive Golf contamination, was that un-monitored booms actually made the contamination worse.
G_j
(40,366 posts)putting the title in search didn't bring it up.
Z_I_Peevey
(2,783 posts)Perhaps other places by now
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)Seems I remember one, maybe it wasn't the Yellowstone, but in that watershed
Anyway 2 points.
1. These things happen apparently commonly
2. Fines that get slapped on Exxon aren't enough to make the company stop, and it seems likely that fines on Keystone could similarly have no effect on reducing the occurrences of these ecosystem/human community poisonings.
montanacowboy
(6,078 posts)nt
Carolina
(6,960 posts)This is simply horrendous. Alaska, the Gulf, parts of Michigan & Minnesota, now this...
What fools. You'd think that maybe, just maybe, those who bellow: drill, baby, drill might reconsider their mantra. But sadly, I doubt it.
We are in the handbasket; we are Rome circa the 470s AD
socialist_n_TN
(11,481 posts)all that oil will be used in the good old USA to bring down the price of gasoline and other refined products that Americans use. However, what is unsaid is that the oil drilled here is sold on the world market by the capitalists and could just as easily be bought and used in China, India, or East Bumfuck, Egypt. "Drill, baby, drill!" doesn't do anything for anybody, but the ones who own oil company stocks.
Of course, these profiteers won't be the ones paying for the long term affects of this spill. It'll be the good ole American taxpayer.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)... run this poison from Hell across the Ogallala Aquifer, the largest aquifer on the planet, supplying the water needs for literally millions of us, on top of the environmental disaster it's already done to Canada. This cannot be allowed to happen. It MUST be stopped.
timdog44
(1,388 posts)any reasonable people anymore? Is everyone purchased? It makes me ashamed and inflamed.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)... but it's pretty damn discouraging. It's like our "leaders" either don't want to face reality, or just don't really care. Either way, it's bad news for Mother Earth.
always seems to suffer. Shame on us.
Jack Sprat
(2,500 posts)CrispyQ
(36,417 posts)& our mentality is "Party like it's 1999!" The rich are hoarding as much as they can, hoping it will cushion the fall. The rest are grabbing what they can & tuning out while they watch the latest "reality" tv show.
timdog44
(1,388 posts)mankind is so resigned to this fate. Although I have to admit that I climb into my hole occasionally. But them I am back again and saying too much to some and not enough to others. I hate reality TV the most. My ex governors wife was, I think, on one.
CrispyQ
(36,417 posts)I'm a cynical, pessimistic misanthrope.
Keep fighting the good fight - that's all we can do.
timdog44
(1,388 posts)I think you more clever than you let on.
And yes, fight the good fight.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)I have had the same theory.
Watching the "Floating World" ship launch fully booked with 300 veddy veddy expensive staterooms sold out,
made me realize that no one on that self contained "city of the ultrarich" has any clue they cannot outrun a destroyed earth.
CrispyQ
(36,417 posts)Oh & the $400 per gallon of gas that American taxpayers pay for the troops in Afghanistan to have air conditioned tents. Tents!
Last one over the cliff wins!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
yellerpup
(12,252 posts)Last edited Wed Apr 3, 2013, 10:38 AM - Edit history (1)
Keystone XL must be stopped. This spill is a disaster. All these people will lose their homes. They shouldn't be breathing the fumes from this stuff at all.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)o
yellerpup
(12,252 posts)He's a Democrat and he is going after this hammer and tong. He was amazed (as am I) that the investigation of this disaster will be conducted by the Transportation Dept., NOT the EPA.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)yellerpup
(12,252 posts)I'm sure a lot of lobby money went into setting it up this way. Another example of our representatives at work protecting their big contributors instead of the People.
yellerpup
(12,252 posts)covering the oil spill. She sets it up in a minute and a half and then they go into the story and the interview with the Arkansas AG.
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/26315908/#51411138
progressoid
(49,934 posts)sheshe2
(83,637 posts)Yup. umhmm!
Sure kept the Gulf safe from harm!
UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)NoMoreWarNow
(1,259 posts)I don't think you can really see how bad it is from this footage, imo.
angstlessk
(11,862 posts)It will show the true destruction
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)This is obscene.
SunSeeker
(51,508 posts)If they can't clean it up, they shouldn't drill it!
lastlib
(23,142 posts)But what they really need is to STOP POLLUTING OUR PLANET!!
Mnemosyne
(21,363 posts)KansDem
(28,498 posts)Product of Koch Industries:
[edit]Georgia-Pacific
Georgia-Pacific is a paper and pulp company that produces "Brawny" paper towels, "Angel Soft" toilet paper, "Mardi Gras" napkins and towels, "Quilted Northern" toilet paper and paper towels, "Dixie" paper plates, bowls, napkins and cups, "Sparkle" paper towels, and "Vanity Fair" paper napkins, bowls, plates and tablecloths. The Atlanta-based company has operations in 27 states.[18]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koch_Industries
With oil-extraction being one of their undertakings, the KochBros know the value of paper towels!
Mnemosyne
(21,363 posts)Damn, those guys make me physically ill.
TexasBushwhacker
(20,132 posts)Granted bitumen (tar sands) is harder to clean up than sweet crude, but they need to start sopping this stuff up. There are booms and mats made from old stockings filled with hair (that's right, hair). There are the big barge mounted centrifuges that separate oil from water. Oddly enough, the company that makes the centrifuges (Ocean Therapy Solutions) is owned by Kevin Costner. He sold several of these to BP to help clean up the Horizon spill in the Gulf of Mexico.
SunSeeker
(51,508 posts)SCVDem
(5,103 posts)Love Canal
Times Beach
Centralia
Prince William Sound
Cuyahoga River
Uranium tailings on Navajo Reservations Grand Canyon
and too many more...........
Does anyone under 45 even know about these enviromental disasters?
lastlib
(23,142 posts)Hanford
Three Mile island
Bhopal
Chernobyl
It's becoming quite an awful litany......
SCVDem
(5,103 posts)DDT dumps in Santa Monica Bay
The Pacific Gyre
We know even less of Africa and the USSR.
The GOP wants LESS regulation. What could possibly go wrong?
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)The largest US oil spill until it was overtaken by the 1989 Alaska spill. Now, it's down to 3rd largest.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)logosoco
(3,208 posts)about this issue (the first was before this but I figured since Arkansas is our neighbor to the south she may start paying attention). Times Beach is about 10 minutes from my house. Used to spend lots of time at the river there as a teen. The U.S. government spent a fortune cleaning that mess up, and this crap makes dioxin look like a walk in the park (dioxin breaks down naturally after a while, if I recall).
I have told my kids (I am just a bit over 45, but I am trying to teach anyone who will listen and my kids were often a captive audience!) about that place because we drive through it often. There is no one living there as there had been before they discovered that contamination.
The Keystone is supposed to go right through Missouri, a place that is well overdue for a large earthquake. Can't imagine what a pipeline full of tar sands would do in an earthquake.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)These earthquakes remain the most powerful earthquakes to hit the eastern United States in recorded history.
These events, as well as the seismic zone of their occurrence, were named for the Mississippi River town of New Madrid, then part of the Louisiana Territory, now within Missouri.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1811%E2%80%931812_New_Madrid_earthquakes
I remember hearing about those quakes years ago, it is said that church bells rang in Boston from the shock.
logosoco
(3,208 posts)bootheel area, and the pipeline is more through the center of the state, but I am sure if the magnitude is large enough it will impact it.
(Interesting note, when I googled to make sure of this (and not relying on memory) several positive stories were at the top when looking for Keystone XL pipeline.
I honestly will feel like I have failed my kids and grandsons if this passes through our state>
WCGreen
(45,558 posts)The Cleveland area has started on a complete segregation of storm sewers and waste sewers. They were combined at one time and if the rain was heavy, they commingled out into the river and then the lake.
It's pretty good pollution control and we all voted for it and pay extra on our water bills. It's worth it.
Of course all the big industrial polluters scrammed when the Ohio EPA started to clamp down on chemical waste, but just the same, we have a great asset here in NE Ohio and we have been taking care to not fuck it up again.
Carolina
(6,960 posts)Those under 45 are likely oblivious
malaise
(268,676 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(12,564 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)...is that the oil companies have destroyed an American neighborhood. Enough is enough!
Swede Atlanta
(3,596 posts)a maverick such as this reporter step in.
The oil and gas companies know that the average American is stupid. They know if they can continue to charge $4.00 a gallon and profit $2.00 for each one the consumer will never question why prices are where they are. They also know that if they raise the price too much people would be checking them out (can't do that).
That's why O/G industry opposes increases in gasoline taxes or ANYTHING that could make people/companies drive less and therefore use less of their product.
These guys are the contemporary "robber barons" along with the "financial services" sector (aka the screw you crew).
Moostache
(9,895 posts)I hoped it would be President Obama in his second term, freed from electoral politics and re-election concerns...that's looking about as likely as getting goddamn Guantanamo closed down.
I was much happier when I allowed ignorant bliss to dominate my life. Now, its just gotten to be a never ending stream of depressing news and fighting to claw back a status quo that is slipping into history after 30+ years of assault by sociopaths and psychotics.
The popular 80's phrase of "Greed is good" left out the most important part - Greed is good, until it kills us all.
Brigid
(17,621 posts)"You can't eat money."
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)only cares about the price of what they're buying. Collateral costs? Wha's dat? Hell, they couldn't find Afghanistan on a map - let alone Arkansas! This spill happened someplace that THEY don't know or care about. Ho-hum.
Carolina
(6,960 posts)some other guy is affected, not me so why worry.....
lunasun
(21,646 posts)MotherPetrie
(3,145 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)You know damn sure they aren't living in their homes right now.
madrchsod
(58,162 posts)they were given very little time to gather what they needed. the police and other
officials have blocked off all the effect areas
watoos
(7,142 posts)is that once it spills into waterways, it can't be cleaned up.
Even if the corporate-controlled media were allowed in, the reporting would be controlled.
dreampunk
(88 posts)The Yellowstone river pipeline spew has yet to be cleaned up. There are actually quite a few examples where the news media or citizens themselves could be learning the dirty truth about this stuff. Number one is that you don't DRILL for this shit. You literally scrape the forest and topsoil away for miles and miles. Then you dig the goopy sand/gravel out and move it to your steaming boiling water extraction plant(s). Once the heavy crude is separated it gets mixed with more toxics so that it will flow. Only THEN do you begin stuffing it into pipelines and pumping it along. Back at the oil extraction areas there are huge gigantic toxic holding ponds of what was once perfectly good drinking water. Millions of gallons of water sucked out of the water table to use for this filthy toxic bitumen goop. Water's pretty important stuff to us humans.
BUT WAIT! THERE'S MORE!
When this tar sands oil spews into a river or lake it SINKS. Most of the product will go to the bottom of the river or lake and ADHERE TO WHATEVER IS IN THAT RIVER OR LAKE. Remember seeing the crews who were "cleaning" after the Exxon Valdez crashed in Prince William Sound? THIS goop is 100 times as toxic as that and much much more difficult to clean up - if at all.
IT HAS TO BE STOPPED.
annabanana
(52,791 posts)Share it, email it, forward it!
bahrbearian
(13,466 posts)They might have gotten away with the cover-up.
Berlum
(7,044 posts)Stop the Keystone-Tar Sands debacle now.
Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)if it were not for the guy who videoed the street and put it on YouTube. Hard for them to ignore it when it is that explicit.
But since no media is being allow near this, we might have never known. The internet can be an awesome tool.
joanbarnes
(1,721 posts)spanone
(135,781 posts)dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)BP did same thing.
Suddenly the US Coast Guard, in the Gulf, AND "private security" goons on land would show up, on public beaches yet, and declare the area off limits.
Some Mobile Press reporters wrote about it..being suddenly bum rushed and prevented from taking pictures or otherwise reporting on what was going on.
It was all done very quickly, was very well coordinated, which is a bit chilling.
raouldukelives
(5,178 posts)If you know an Exxon investor, you know they sleep well. The calming awareness that Exxon officials are hard at work on behalf of you to keep the media out and keep Exxon's name and profits strong.
dickensknitter
(24 posts)Any word if they are employing chemical dispersants?
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)There is not purpose to use in the residential, cement driveway/street areas.
I have no idea how big the lake and the ajoining swampy area is.
I suspect there may not be enough gallons to warrant having to spray.
I am just hoping the home owners and their lawyers can prevail in having Exxon mitigate damages, clean it up in a very timely manner.
Sadly, Exxon track record does not feed hope.
LeftInTX
(25,106 posts)It is just buggin awful to have tar bubbling up in your backyard. I didn't know that they buried oil pipelines. It only makes spills worse.
lexw
(804 posts)dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)AND
Exxon under gov't correction order which means ExxonMobil would need written approval from a federal pipeline safety official, according to the corrective action order.
ExxonMobil also has to submit a restart plan, complete testing and analysis about why the pipeline failed and jump through a number of other hoops under the order.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2608272
lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)Yeah. Didn't think so.
KG
(28,751 posts)CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)I remember when BP did this with the Gulf spill. They commandeered the Coast Guard to patrol the waters
and threaten reporters. I'll never forget that.
If I lived in that neighborhood, I would be shooting footage from public streets and driveways. It's one thing to
hide an ocean disaster, but if they are successful at hiding a disaster smack dab in a suburban neighborhood, then
I really don't know if there is any hope for the truth to surface.
I hope these homeowners are doing the right thing and exposing this.
Gee, maybe they'll just dump a load of Corexit on this housing development! It's safe, you know!
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)I hit Google news and entered "Ark oil Exxon" and tons of updated stuff came up, with pics.
I posted on one of the updates:
US law says no 'oil' spilled in Arkansas, exempting Exxon from cleanup dues
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022608192
sinkingfeeling
(51,436 posts)And only 14 animals were harmed! A muskrat and some ducks....
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)Ded ded ded...which really pissed of the folks down there.
The pipe has been shut off/stopped. But not repaired, they have not yet even dug it up.
Still sopping up "10,000 barrels of Canadian heavy crude -"
which tends to sink in water, not float on top.Sort of like liquid asphalt..really hard to clean up.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)benld74
(9,901 posts)Directly across Lake Conway is the is a State Wildlife Management Area
Directly South is another state Wildlife Management Area
Who in their right sane mind would allow a pieline to even come within spitten distance from either of these areas needs to be covered in the spill, feathered and railed into Congress for all to see.
Cannikin
(8,359 posts)Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)And now they want to start fracking in my county and the county next to mine. The county next to mine has already started trying to put in an ordinance to stop it. My county? Nothing. They are cheering the hope for some jobs in the county. Those Idiots!!!