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The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 09:46 AM Apr 2013

Femen calls for ‘topless jihad’

Femen calls for ‘topless jihad’

Infamous Ukrainian feminists group Femen has declared April 4 as Topless Jihad Day in support of a Tunisian activist, 19, who was threatened to death by stoning after she posted two topless pictures online.

The Femen group said “long live the topless jihad against infidels! Our tits are deadlier than your stones!”

According to the New York Daily News, countless women have posted photos on the Femen Facebook page in solidarity of Amina Tyler. Femen also called on women to bare their breasts as a show of solidarity.

Femen said that this day will mark the beginning of a new, genuine Arab Spring, after which true freedom, freedom without mullahs and caliphs, will come to Tunisia.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/NorthAmerica/Femen-calls-for-topless-jihad/Article1-1034417.aspx

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Femen calls for ‘topless jihad’ (Original Post) The Straight Story Apr 2013 OP
hit the fundies where it hurts, greatness snooper2 Apr 2013 #1
Thank you for posting. DURHAM D Apr 2013 #2
More here: Coyotl Apr 2013 #3
"Fuck Your Morals" Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author One_Life_To_Give Apr 2013 #19
Tramp stamp? Zorra Apr 2013 #20
Why, I never! Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #25
I am so putting that on my to-do list LadyHawkAZ Apr 2013 #51
I wish them luck. KitSileya Apr 2013 #4
Hopefully this spreads worldwide. cbdo2007 Apr 2013 #5
I wish them the very best luck. HappyMe Apr 2013 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #7
However would we make it through the day without MattBaggins Apr 2013 #15
who is "us all"? Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #18
Go ahead and alert nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #21
Not referring to the pic MattBaggins Apr 2013 #22
You still gave the laugh nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #23
Only people who would think that was an attempt to start a fight, would be people who identify Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #60
Looks like someone we know has joined the protest! zappaman Apr 2013 #61
I miss Ms. Green. Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #67
She settled down and got married. zappaman Apr 2013 #68
I'm confused. You use an advertisement from a lingerie shop in Newfoundland Luminous Animal Apr 2013 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #27
But I am not understanding the point of using a photo of a woman dancing topless in the park Luminous Animal Apr 2013 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #30
They wern't being killed for it One_Life_To_Give Apr 2013 #34
This message was self-deleted by its author nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #35
Self Immolation is not common in the US One_Life_To_Give Apr 2013 #42
This message was self-deleted by its author nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #43
+1 I get what you are saying. Raine1967 Apr 2013 #55
She isn't going to be executed for it so far. One of the mullahs called for her death. cliffordu Apr 2013 #45
No they didn't. When you can find photos of women PROTESTING naked Luminous Animal Apr 2013 #40
This message was self-deleted by its author nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #41
This message was self-deleted by its author Luminous Animal Apr 2013 #46
Photo taken in 2012. Photographer is Dejan Vuchichevic. Luminous Animal Apr 2013 #47
This message was self-deleted by its author nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #48
You claimed that YOUR image was a famous Getty Image. It is not. Luminous Animal Apr 2013 #52
This message was self-deleted by its author nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #53
It's unbecoming of you and your position when you cannot admit you made a mistake. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #56
This message was self-deleted by its author nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #58
I am not arguing whether or not naked protests happened in the 60s and 70s. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #59
This message was self-deleted by its author nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #63
You're "almost certain" ? rickford66 Apr 2013 #66
I am certain. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #69
But you said "almost". rickford66 Apr 2013 #72
Let me explain what I'm saying because I feel I've been too short. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #73
Very well rickford66 Apr 2013 #78
Yes indeed. Somehow the feminist movement managed to create a modern photographer and ad agency Luminous Animal Apr 2013 #62
This message was self-deleted by its author nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #64
Why can't you admit you were wrong? Why is that such a problem for you? Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #70
Self Delete is easier? zappaman Apr 2013 #71
. Rex Apr 2013 #85
This message was self-deleted by its author nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #74
Admitting you are wrong is a keystone of maturity. Just do it. You'll feel better and we can go on. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #76
This message was self-deleted by its author nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #77
This is why no one believes you. And they are right in doing so. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #79
Yup, whatever...nobody believes you nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #82
... Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #87
Well said rickford66 Apr 2013 #93
I make mistakes all the time. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #95
I asked that question and got called a nazi. Rex Apr 2013 #80
I have it on good authority that you are a Nazi... Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #81
I must be since The Perfect One Rex Apr 2013 #83
Well, I hope you aren't one of them... zappaman Apr 2013 #84
No... Rex Apr 2013 #86
What did you expect? rickford66 Apr 2013 #57
This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Apr 2013 #29
what you said cliffordu Apr 2013 #33
k&r tammywammy Apr 2013 #8
Kickin' it! In_The_Wind Apr 2013 #9
Cool. UnrepentantLiberal Apr 2013 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author Malik Agar Apr 2013 #11
Laughing at Executions? One_Life_To_Give Apr 2013 #14
Shit I posted before reading the article Malik Agar Apr 2013 #16
I was going to say the same thing before that person self deleted. stevenleser Apr 2013 #17
you realize that in Tunisia women go topless on the beaches JI7 Apr 2013 #49
Public or Hotel Beaches? One_Life_To_Give Apr 2013 #50
yeah, they might take offense but they don't kill, and women do wear bikinis JI7 Apr 2013 #54
Next step Self-Immolation One_Life_To_Give Apr 2013 #12
Was she sentenced to death? UnrepentantLiberal Apr 2013 #38
Death by Stoning One_Life_To_Give Apr 2013 #39
But she hasn't been arrested and sentenced. UnrepentantLiberal Apr 2013 #44
Some lunatic fundamental moralist may have suggested that be carried out, or Coyotl Apr 2013 #89
Let's make a pic thread on the 4th LittleBlue Apr 2013 #24
I really like this idea if there is one condition, that Coyotl Apr 2013 #90
Nah LittleBlue Apr 2013 #96
We have already unstrapped our secret weapon...the religious conservative's worst nightmare Zorra Apr 2013 #31
Please don't spank me....I can't help it. yourout Apr 2013 #36
I hope they aren't killed. nt ZombieHorde Apr 2013 #32
This message was self-deleted by its author cliffordu Apr 2013 #37
Tunisia is a country when fundamentalist Islam was repressed by it's rulers for decades JI7 Apr 2013 #65
This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Apr 2013 #75
Changed your mind, have you? opiate69 Apr 2013 #97
"i'm responding to the OP" JI7 Apr 2013 #98
... opiate69 Apr 2013 #99
the person who posted was shocked and outraged and going on about first world problems JI7 Apr 2013 #100
"Inviting his daughters..." opiate69 Apr 2013 #101
And BTW.. to answer your first question... opiate69 Apr 2013 #102
All I will say is, ladies I support you nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #88
Good to hear Coyotl Apr 2013 #92
Goodbye chuckles nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #94
Good for these women. polly7 Apr 2013 #91
 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
3. More here:
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 10:35 AM
Apr 2013

Petitioning Tunisian Government : Amina must be safe
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022584293

What a weird link you posted, to a slow-to-load India newspaper placing an out-dated African story in their North America news section. DU has more on this story than they do.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
13. "Fuck Your Morals"
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 03:16 PM
Apr 2013

You know, I've never been one for tattoos, but if I was going to inscribe anything on my body, that would be a real contender.

Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #13)

KitSileya

(4,035 posts)
4. I wish them luck.
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 11:48 AM
Apr 2013

I would not be able to support their chosen way of protesting by joining in, but I assume they've found this way to be the most effective. Myself, I believe in beginning as I mean to go on, and I wish to be considered *not* because of my body, but for my eloquence, my abilities, and my intelligence. However, and I do hope those reading my post have enough reading comprehension to understand what I'm saying next, I firmly believe women can judge best themselves how they want to fight to end patriarchy, and regardless of the method Femen chooses, more power to them.

Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

MattBaggins

(7,894 posts)
15. However would we make it through the day without
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 03:19 PM
Apr 2013

the high and mighty nadin to scold us all.

predictable as usual

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
21. Go ahead and alert
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 03:35 PM
Apr 2013

Or are you denying these acts happened in the 1970s?

I know Americans have a short memory, but this *is* well within my lifetime.

Oh and I said I needed a good laugh





Thanks. After doing my taxes I needed that!

MattBaggins

(7,894 posts)
22. Not referring to the pic
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 03:37 PM
Apr 2013

rather the attempt to start a fight with your snarky and snide "need a good laugh comment"

Wasn't needed was it?

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
60. Only people who would think that was an attempt to start a fight, would be people who identify
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 06:14 PM
Apr 2013

with the description Nadin used.

In other words, if the shoe fits, eh?

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
26. I'm confused. You use an advertisement from a lingerie shop in Newfoundland
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 03:49 PM
Apr 2013

of a woman dancing topless to illustrate what?

Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #26)

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
28. But I am not understanding the point of using a photo of a woman dancing topless in the park
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 03:53 PM
Apr 2013

on a thread about women going topless as part of a protest.

Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #28)

One_Life_To_Give

(6,036 posts)
34. They wern't being killed for it
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 04:03 PM
Apr 2013

This young woman is being executed for it! And any women in the ME who do likewise to support her could be executed as well.
Takes some serious hutzpah to sacrifice your life to get your message out. And some pretty serious heartlessness to be cavalier about her death.

Response to One_Life_To_Give (Reply #34)

One_Life_To_Give

(6,036 posts)
42. Self Immolation is not common in the US
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 04:18 PM
Apr 2013

Yes it happens but usually accompanied by mental illness.

This woman knew the penalty to get her message out. Perhaps we might compare to Rosa Parks or the Freedom Riders but I think she was always at more risk. So now she will face a good old fashioned Stoning just like the good book says. If you hurry maybe you can take one and knock her teeth out. Think what kind of thoughts that would give you. Although Necrophilia is illegal in Tunisia as well as here.

Response to One_Life_To_Give (Reply #42)

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
40. No they didn't. When you can find photos of women PROTESTING naked
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 04:15 PM
Apr 2013

let me know.

Women did throw bras, girdles, make-up, pots and pans, in trash cans when advocating for liberation but they did not take off their clothes in public. They brought those items with them.

FYI, you've also provided no evidence the picture is from the 60s or 70s. It could have very well have been a photo shoot.

Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #40)

Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #41)

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
47. Photo taken in 2012. Photographer is Dejan Vuchichevic.
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 05:14 PM
Apr 2013
http://adsoftheworld.com/media/print/the_boobie_trap_braburning

Here's link to 3 other images from the same campaign.

http://adsoftheworld.com/creative/dejan_vuchichevic

And google turns up nothing that links "take your top off" with the ERA.

Just in case you delete:

nadinbrzezinski
41. Alas...that is a famous Getty image

View profile
Taken in San Fran.

Hell, funny thing happened on the way to the Forum, plenty of ERA slogans included the line...take your top off.

You can attempt to rewrite that history...please...proceed.

Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #47)

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
52. You claimed that YOUR image was a famous Getty Image. It is not.
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 05:56 PM
Apr 2013

It is from a modern ad campaign photographed in 2012. I proved you wrong and gave you the links. So you've moved the goal posts and now claim that somewhere is a famous Getty Image from 1969 but still you have no explanation as to why a young hippie woman dancing topless at a music festival has anything to do with protesting.

And are you trying to claim that feminists managed to scrub clean the internet in order to rewrite history?

Really?

Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #52)

Gravitycollapse

(8,155 posts)
56. It's unbecoming of you and your position when you cannot admit you made a mistake.
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 06:06 PM
Apr 2013

Which is in fact what happened here. The photo is from a 2012 ad campaign.

Response to Gravitycollapse (Reply #56)

Gravitycollapse

(8,155 posts)
59. I am not arguing whether or not naked protests happened in the 60s and 70s.
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 06:13 PM
Apr 2013

In fact, I'm almost certain they did. All sorts of protests happened. Hell women pissed on the Harvard lawn because the library refused to install female restrooms.

What I'm saying is that refusing to admit you were wrong on something halts the conversation at that point. If you could accept the facts and move on, people might not be so apt to rip into you at every turn.

Response to Gravitycollapse (Reply #59)

rickford66

(5,498 posts)
66. You're "almost certain" ?
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 06:21 PM
Apr 2013

Either you're certain or you're not. Make up your mind so the conversation won't halt.

Gravitycollapse

(8,155 posts)
73. Let me explain what I'm saying because I feel I've been too short.
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 07:10 PM
Apr 2013

I hesitate to say that nude protests did not happen because I'm sure they did. But I am not going to admit that they were prominent or supported practically or even theoretically by prominent feminist organizations of the era because they weren't.

I just spoke to a prominent feminist leader who was at the "bra-burning" protests and helped hang the protest banner at the Miss America Pageant. Nudity was not an associational characteristic of even the more radical groups.

In this aspect, the two arguing parties here are crossing signals. But I would appreciate some honesty. And part of honesty is admitting a mistake was made.

rickford66

(5,498 posts)
78. Very well
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 07:23 PM
Apr 2013

Your proof for nadinbrzezinski being wrong was that you spoke to a friend. nadinbrzezinski has apologized so I guess this case is closed.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
62. Yes indeed. Somehow the feminist movement managed to create a modern photographer and ad agency
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 06:18 PM
Apr 2013

in order to hoodwink the world that there was no topless movements in 60s and 70s.

The link to the ad:
http://adsoftheworld.com/media/print/the_boobie_trap_braburning

The credits:
Advertising Agency: Target Marketing, Canada
Creative Director: Tom Murphy
Associate Creative Directors: Jenny Smith, Jeff McLean
Art Director: Dax Fullbrook
Copywriter: Sarah Park
Junior Copywriters: Graham North, Antonina Gousseva
Agency Producer: Cindy Wadden
Photographer: Dejan Vuchichevic
Published: December 2012

The link to all 4 images (plus some other photos) from this campaign:
http://adsoftheworld.com/creative/dejan_vuchichevic

Yes. Some women took off their tops in 60s and 70s and 80s and 90s, etc. But there was no "take off your top" political activism.

The first reported bra burning never happened (though it was reported as if it had), because the police wouldn't let them start a fire on the boardwalk of Atlantic City. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=94240375

Even so, any action that involved discarding or destroying "instruments of female torture" did not involve nudity. Women didn't strip and take off their bras. They brought their bras with them and kept their shirts on.

Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #62)

Response to Gravitycollapse (Reply #70)

Response to Gravitycollapse (Reply #76)

Gravitycollapse

(8,155 posts)
79. This is why no one believes you. And they are right in doing so.
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 07:33 PM
Apr 2013

You posted an image that has been demonstrated to have been taken from an ad campaign in 2012. You made the mistake. Own it and get over yourself. It's not that difficult. You're not the victim here so stop acting like one.

In a discussion, which is what we are having now "I know it's a primary source because in my head it's true" is not a reasonable argument. If you have primary sources, show them. But someone here has already posted fairly convincing evidence and that someone is not you. If this were a foggier discussion, with no evidence to the contrary, I would be more inclined to believe you. But you are arguing authority after the fact. After it's already been demonstrated that you are wrong.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
82. Yup, whatever...nobody believes you
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 07:41 PM
Apr 2013

Can you prove that statement? And now we have crossed into the very predictable personal attacks.

If you said some...you'd be accurate. To be fair, there are some people here, naming names is against the rules, who are bullies. We also we have a few who I don't believe either.

But nobody believes you is a logical fallacy .

And I might add...a personal attack

These days I don't alert...good bye...welcome to the ignore list.

rickford66

(5,498 posts)
93. Well said
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 08:03 PM
Apr 2013

I suppose you either never make mistakes or always admit you're wrong if you do. I'm sure there are those who will be watching to see how mature you are.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
80. I asked that question and got called a nazi.
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 07:39 PM
Apr 2013

Some people can not form the ability to admit fault, hard to believe I know but so be it. At least you did not get called a nazi.

rickford66

(5,498 posts)
57. What did you expect?
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 06:09 PM
Apr 2013

Just about anything you post here or reply to gets criticized. Even when you agree with someone, you'll get it. I could criticize just the grammar and misspellings here all day but so many people type and hit enter before realizing what they did, it would be a full time job. Now watch the responses to this.

Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #26)

Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

One_Life_To_Give

(6,036 posts)
14. Laughing at Executions?
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 03:18 PM
Apr 2013

You realize the sentence for what these women are being asked to do is Death! We are not talking refusing to give up a seat on a Bus or sitting at the wrong lunch counter. As bad as those events were these women face the ultimate sacrifice to get their message out.

Maybe we should take a few moments to think about what it means to give ones life for what seems so trivial to us.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
17. I was going to say the same thing before that person self deleted.
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 03:21 PM
Apr 2013

There is nothing funny about this. Someone may die as a result of her protest.

JI7

(89,174 posts)
49. you realize that in Tunisia women go topless on the beaches
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 05:45 PM
Apr 2013

and none of them have been executed for it.

tunisia isn't afghanistan.

One_Life_To_Give

(6,036 posts)
50. Public or Hotel Beaches?
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 05:54 PM
Apr 2013

From what I read the Hotels won't complain. But the Tunisians take offense as it doesn't respect their culture.

JI7

(89,174 posts)
54. yeah, they might take offense but they don't kill, and women do wear bikinis
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 06:03 PM
Apr 2013

and clothes which show arms, legs etc.

in the US people take offense also.

One_Life_To_Give

(6,036 posts)
12. Next step Self-Immolation
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 03:15 PM
Apr 2013

This is the equivalent of dousing ones self in gasoline and holding a match, here.

It would be significant if thousands of women across the middle east joined in protest. But here in the west our best weapons of support are financial. Cutting off Aid and suspending tourism unless her sentence is changed/suspended.

One_Life_To_Give

(6,036 posts)
39. Death by Stoning
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 04:14 PM
Apr 2013
Tunisian activist, 19, who was threatened to death by stoning after she posted two topless pictures online.
 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
89. Some lunatic fundamental moralist may have suggested that be carried out, or
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 07:58 PM
Apr 2013

maybe it was an ordinary fundamental moralist

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
90. I really like this idea if there is one condition, that
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 08:00 PM
Apr 2013

the DU'ers posting on the thread post their own bodies with their own slogans.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
31. We have already unstrapped our secret weapon...the religious conservative's worst nightmare
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 03:58 PM
Apr 2013

set free to ravage and plunder religious conservative's tenuous grasp on reality at will.

yourout

(7,520 posts)
36. Please don't spank me....I can't help it.
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 04:11 PM
Apr 2013


Comedy aside I can not believe there are still people on the planet that could put someone to death over showing their breasts.

Boggles the mind.

Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

JI7

(89,174 posts)
65. Tunisia is a country when fundamentalist Islam was repressed by it's rulers for decades
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 06:20 PM
Apr 2013

only after the last revolution have they been trying to get some power but so far they have failed.

why do people think all muslims/arabs are the same ? women of tunisia go to beaches in bikinis alongside those who prefer to wear traditional covering.

you have some fred phelps type out screaming about morals but the guy has no power. but he does have more freedom to speak out after the last revolution.

some of the stuff i read is reminding me of wingnuts in america crying about shariah law .

Response to JI7 (Reply #65)

 

opiate69

(10,129 posts)
97. Changed your mind, have you?
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 01:02 AM
Apr 2013
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2586879

a woman is risking her LIFE ,i'm responding to the OP the op seemed outraged and went on about first world problems because of some comparison to strippers when a woman is risking HER LIFE.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2586369
how about those who decided making Titty Jokes or talkng about how they like them when this woman is risking her LIFE.

JI7

(89,174 posts)
100. the person who posted was shocked and outraged and going on about first world problems
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 01:09 AM
Apr 2013

so i asked if they are so fucking shocked over what THEY claim was someone risking their life, why did they have no problem with things like tit jokes .

now go back to defending the guy inviting his daughters to be naked and pretend that wasn't fucking creepy.

 

opiate69

(10,129 posts)
101. "Inviting his daughters..."
Wed Apr 3, 2013, 01:12 AM
Apr 2013

Maybe you should learn to read English. He did no such thing and your continued assertion that he did is beyond the pale.

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