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Femen calls for topless jihad
Infamous Ukrainian feminists group Femen has declared April 4 as Topless Jihad Day in support of a Tunisian activist, 19, who was threatened to death by stoning after she posted two topless pictures online.
The Femen group said long live the topless jihad against infidels! Our tits are deadlier than your stones!
According to the New York Daily News, countless women have posted photos on the Femen Facebook page in solidarity of Amina Tyler. Femen also called on women to bare their breasts as a show of solidarity.
Femen said that this day will mark the beginning of a new, genuine Arab Spring, after which true freedom, freedom without mullahs and caliphs, will come to Tunisia.
http://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/NorthAmerica/Femen-calls-for-topless-jihad/Article1-1034417.aspx
snooper2
(30,151 posts)DURHAM D
(32,595 posts)Every movement needs both plodders and radicals.
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)Petitioning Tunisian Government : Amina must be safe
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022584293
What a weird link you posted, to a slow-to-load India newspaper placing an out-dated African story in their North America news section. DU has more on this story than they do.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)You know, I've never been one for tattoos, but if I was going to inscribe anything on my body, that would be a real contender.
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Zorra
(27,670 posts)Sorry, Warren, I swear, I totally couldn't help myself.
The devil made me do it.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Actually, that's not technically true.
LadyHawkAZ
(6,199 posts)KitSileya
(4,035 posts)I would not be able to support their chosen way of protesting by joining in, but I assume they've found this way to be the most effective. Myself, I believe in beginning as I mean to go on, and I wish to be considered *not* because of my body, but for my eloquence, my abilities, and my intelligence. However, and I do hope those reading my post have enough reading comprehension to understand what I'm saying next, I firmly believe women can judge best themselves how they want to fight to end patriarchy, and regardless of the method Femen chooses, more power to them.
cbdo2007
(9,213 posts)HappyMe
(20,277 posts)I hope they stay safe, and nobody gets hurt.
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MattBaggins
(7,894 posts)the high and mighty nadin to scold us all.
predictable as usual
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Or are you denying these acts happened in the 1970s?
I know Americans have a short memory, but this *is* well within my lifetime.
Oh and I said I needed a good laugh
Thanks. After doing my taxes I needed that!
MattBaggins
(7,894 posts)rather the attempt to start a fight with your snarky and snide "need a good laugh comment"
Wasn't needed was it?
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Please proceed.
None will stop ya.
You could also ignore it
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)with the description Nadin used.
In other words, if the shoe fits, eh?
zappaman
(20,605 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Good times, good times.
zappaman
(20,605 posts)Finally met the right guy...
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)of a woman dancing topless to illustrate what?
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Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)on a thread about women going topless as part of a protest.
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One_Life_To_Give
(6,036 posts)This young woman is being executed for it! And any women in the ME who do likewise to support her could be executed as well.
Takes some serious hutzpah to sacrifice your life to get your message out. And some pretty serious heartlessness to be cavalier about her death.
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One_Life_To_Give
(6,036 posts)Yes it happens but usually accompanied by mental illness.
This woman knew the penalty to get her message out. Perhaps we might compare to Rosa Parks or the Freedom Riders but I think she was always at more risk. So now she will face a good old fashioned Stoning just like the good book says. If you hurry maybe you can take one and knock her teeth out. Think what kind of thoughts that would give you. Although Necrophilia is illegal in Tunisia as well as here.
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Raine1967
(11,589 posts)completely understood.
cliffordu
(30,994 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)let me know.
Women did throw bras, girdles, make-up, pots and pans, in trash cans when advocating for liberation but they did not take off their clothes in public. They brought those items with them.
FYI, you've also provided no evidence the picture is from the 60s or 70s. It could have very well have been a photo shoot.
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Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Here's link to 3 other images from the same campaign.
http://adsoftheworld.com/creative/dejan_vuchichevic
And google turns up nothing that links "take your top off" with the ERA.
Just in case you delete:
41. Alas...that is a famous Getty image
View profile
Taken in San Fran.
Hell, funny thing happened on the way to the Forum, plenty of ERA slogans included the line...take your top off.
You can attempt to rewrite that history...please...proceed.
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Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)It is from a modern ad campaign photographed in 2012. I proved you wrong and gave you the links. So you've moved the goal posts and now claim that somewhere is a famous Getty Image from 1969 but still you have no explanation as to why a young hippie woman dancing topless at a music festival has anything to do with protesting.
And are you trying to claim that feminists managed to scrub clean the internet in order to rewrite history?
Really?
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Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)Which is in fact what happened here. The photo is from a 2012 ad campaign.
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Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)In fact, I'm almost certain they did. All sorts of protests happened. Hell women pissed on the Harvard lawn because the library refused to install female restrooms.
What I'm saying is that refusing to admit you were wrong on something halts the conversation at that point. If you could accept the facts and move on, people might not be so apt to rip into you at every turn.
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rickford66
(5,498 posts)Either you're certain or you're not. Make up your mind so the conversation won't halt.
Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)rickford66
(5,498 posts)So you were wrong?
Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)I hesitate to say that nude protests did not happen because I'm sure they did. But I am not going to admit that they were prominent or supported practically or even theoretically by prominent feminist organizations of the era because they weren't.
I just spoke to a prominent feminist leader who was at the "bra-burning" protests and helped hang the protest banner at the Miss America Pageant. Nudity was not an associational characteristic of even the more radical groups.
In this aspect, the two arguing parties here are crossing signals. But I would appreciate some honesty. And part of honesty is admitting a mistake was made.
rickford66
(5,498 posts)Your proof for nadinbrzezinski being wrong was that you spoke to a friend. nadinbrzezinski has apologized so I guess this case is closed.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)in order to hoodwink the world that there was no topless movements in 60s and 70s.
The link to the ad:
http://adsoftheworld.com/media/print/the_boobie_trap_braburning
The credits:
Advertising Agency: Target Marketing, Canada
Creative Director: Tom Murphy
Associate Creative Directors: Jenny Smith, Jeff McLean
Art Director: Dax Fullbrook
Copywriter: Sarah Park
Junior Copywriters: Graham North, Antonina Gousseva
Agency Producer: Cindy Wadden
Photographer: Dejan Vuchichevic
Published: December 2012
The link to all 4 images (plus some other photos) from this campaign:
http://adsoftheworld.com/creative/dejan_vuchichevic
Yes. Some women took off their tops in 60s and 70s and 80s and 90s, etc. But there was no "take off your top" political activism.
The first reported bra burning never happened (though it was reported as if it had), because the police wouldn't let them start a fire on the boardwalk of Atlantic City. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=94240375
Even so, any action that involved discarding or destroying "instruments of female torture" did not involve nudity. Women didn't strip and take off their bras. They brought their bras with them and kept their shirts on.
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Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)zappaman
(20,605 posts)Response to Gravitycollapse (Reply #70)
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(8,155 posts)Response to Gravitycollapse (Reply #76)
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Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)You posted an image that has been demonstrated to have been taken from an ad campaign in 2012. You made the mistake. Own it and get over yourself. It's not that difficult. You're not the victim here so stop acting like one.
In a discussion, which is what we are having now "I know it's a primary source because in my head it's true" is not a reasonable argument. If you have primary sources, show them. But someone here has already posted fairly convincing evidence and that someone is not you. If this were a foggier discussion, with no evidence to the contrary, I would be more inclined to believe you. But you are arguing authority after the fact. After it's already been demonstrated that you are wrong.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Can you prove that statement? And now we have crossed into the very predictable personal attacks.
If you said some...you'd be accurate. To be fair, there are some people here, naming names is against the rules, who are bullies. We also we have a few who I don't believe either.
But nobody believes you is a logical fallacy .
And I might add...a personal attack
These days I don't alert...good bye...welcome to the ignore list.
Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)rickford66
(5,498 posts)I suppose you either never make mistakes or always admit you're wrong if you do. I'm sure there are those who will be watching to see how mature you are.
Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)And when I am wrong, I admit it.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Some people can not form the ability to admit fault, hard to believe I know but so be it. At least you did not get called a nazi.
Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)is never mistaken.
zappaman
(20,605 posts)Illinois Nazis!!
I HATE Illinois Nazis!
rickford66
(5,498 posts)Just about anything you post here or reply to gets criticized. Even when you agree with someone, you'll get it. I could criticize just the grammar and misspellings here all day but so many people type and hit enter before realizing what they did, it would be a full time job. Now watch the responses to this.
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cliffordu
(30,994 posts)tammywammy
(26,582 posts)In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)Go Femen!
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One_Life_To_Give
(6,036 posts)You realize the sentence for what these women are being asked to do is Death! We are not talking refusing to give up a seat on a Bus or sitting at the wrong lunch counter. As bad as those events were these women face the ultimate sacrifice to get their message out.
Maybe we should take a few moments to think about what it means to give ones life for what seems so trivial to us.
Malik Agar
(102 posts)I need to get out of this habit.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)There is nothing funny about this. Someone may die as a result of her protest.
JI7
(89,174 posts)and none of them have been executed for it.
tunisia isn't afghanistan.
One_Life_To_Give
(6,036 posts)From what I read the Hotels won't complain. But the Tunisians take offense as it doesn't respect their culture.
JI7
(89,174 posts)and clothes which show arms, legs etc.
in the US people take offense also.
One_Life_To_Give
(6,036 posts)This is the equivalent of dousing ones self in gasoline and holding a match, here.
It would be significant if thousands of women across the middle east joined in protest. But here in the west our best weapons of support are financial. Cutting off Aid and suspending tourism unless her sentence is changed/suspended.
UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)I missed that.
One_Life_To_Give
(6,036 posts)Tunisian activist, 19, who was threatened to death by stoning after she posted two topless pictures online.
UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)I sure hope that doesn't happen.
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)maybe it was an ordinary fundamental moralist
LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)We must spread this jihad to DU.
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)the DU'ers posting on the thread post their own bodies with their own slogans.
We want to attract people to the movement, not scare them away
Zorra
(27,670 posts)set free to ravage and plunder religious conservative's tenuous grasp on reality at will.
yourout
(7,520 posts)Comedy aside I can not believe there are still people on the planet that could put someone to death over showing their breasts.
Boggles the mind.
ZombieHorde
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JI7
(89,174 posts)only after the last revolution have they been trying to get some power but so far they have failed.
why do people think all muslims/arabs are the same ? women of tunisia go to beaches in bikinis alongside those who prefer to wear traditional covering.
you have some fred phelps type out screaming about morals but the guy has no power. but he does have more freedom to speak out after the last revolution.
some of the stuff i read is reminding me of wingnuts in america crying about shariah law .
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opiate69
(10,129 posts)http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2586369
JI7
(89,174 posts)please learn critical thinking and sarcasm
JI7
(89,174 posts)so i asked if they are so fucking shocked over what THEY claim was someone risking their life, why did they have no problem with things like tit jokes .
now go back to defending the guy inviting his daughters to be naked and pretend that wasn't fucking creepy.
opiate69
(10,129 posts)Maybe you should learn to read English. He did no such thing and your continued assertion that he did is beyond the pale.
opiate69
(10,129 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)What you are doing takes real guts. We once had those guts.
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)you support unsupported support problems