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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forumssupport the keystone xl pipeline? ....take a look at the future...now..courtesy of exxon-mobil
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CaliforniaPeggy
(149,297 posts)AnotherDreamWeaver
(2,846 posts)Auntie Bush
(17,528 posts)Polar Bears have died.
spanone
(135,632 posts)we have screwed the future
someone on the teevee said this pipeline was 80 yrs old. why are they allowed to use it?
the keystone pipeline will be used until it pollutes communities and then used more....you can bet on it.
Auntie Bush
(17,528 posts)Maybe even my 40ies children.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)... and with the sadness about the legacy we leave our kids.
JackInGreen
(2,975 posts)don't decorate their mailboxes with the severed heads of oil pr agents I'll never know, I think the first suit I encountered that told me 'Oh, it's not a HUGE deal, we can afford the settlement and the cleanup will be a long project' would find himself feed for the local livestock.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)spanone
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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323296504578396850749052848.html?KEYWORDS=tale+of+two+spill
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)We seee it again and again. President Bush wants to go to war against the people of Iraq - and no one in the media opposes it. It will be a quick war, deserved by the Iraqis as they attacked us on Nine Eleven. Once it is over, we will be paying 60 cents a gallon at the pump. What's to oppose?
Gm food is good; and of course, the Big Pharma products are never investigated by the Media, there is just very little investigative news any more.
Big Oil, Big Finance, Big Insurance, Big Medical interests, Military Industrial Governmental interests: any information out there that might damage any of these players - it all gets swept under the rug.
mindwalker_i
(4,407 posts)Need some bootstraps pronto!
limpyhobbler
(8,244 posts)It would carry 900,000 barrels/day. This one only carried about 80,000 barrels/day.
spanone
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AAO
(3,300 posts)I just wish we could have done more...
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)Though how much damage we can avoid will depend on what gets done, and how soon.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)Facebook Page. Just in time for spring when the new ones would be incubating for birth... How much wildlife will be lost along with the suffering these people have losing their homes.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)The technology exist and is in use to detect breaks and cut off flow.
WTF!
This is hugely damaging to Exxon's PR and to the XL pipeline, and richly deserved if this is the best they can do.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)before safety.
Obama told us they had the technology, just 18 days before the Gulf Oil Spill. He said that those who kept the ban on offshore drilling in place all these years, Democrats mostly, were depending on old information and did not understand how advanced we are now. HIS advisors (I wonder who they were, 'cause they all should have been prosecuted by now) he said, had changed HIS mind by bringing him up to date on the safety of oil rigs today.
18 days later an oil rig blew up killing 11 human beings and destroying the Gulf for generations to come, killing wildlife and causing untold damage, the extent of which we may never know.
If they had the technology, they sure didn't use it. And of course, as always, there were no consequences for anyone.
spanone
(135,632 posts)this pipeline disaster could have been averted. it wasn't and neither will future ones...
freshwest
(53,661 posts)More of that invisible hand of the market, enlightened self-interest libertarian bullshit. The problem with all that is whose self-interest are we talking about.
CEOs, owners and shareholders live miles away and never suffer the results those with little profit from the corporations, make more money by allowing the infrastructure to break down for short term gains. This is now standard operating procedure for these global businesses.
It is literally in their self-interest to gamble on actions that cause severe economic and ecological damage to others they will never be able to make whole. So they will NOT use available technology unless forced to do so by government - in this case the local state and they elected rightwing politicans who let ALEC write the laws to limit their liability and maximize their profits.
And the social or other issues that keep the state legislature in those hands haven't stopped getting support. It's tragic.
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)And just take a look at these photos. You don't need to believe in a New Agey "total climate apocalypse" theory to be very concerned about the possible negative side effects of Keystone XL(yes, for those of you skeptics out there, Keystone XL certainly would contribute to global warming, about .4/.5*C if all two trillion tons get burned, and that's not the only project of it's kind out there, either, as Bill McKibben and others have pointed out.).....including, and perhaps especially, spills like these.
You think this is nasty? It is, without a fucking doubt. Now imagine the pipeline failing somewhere in Kansas or Okla. and spilling out its contents......let's just say that it could make the Mayflower incident look like an effing cakewalk.
defacto7
(13,485 posts)Even if the keystone pipeline passes all legal tests of government could it still be stopped?
Probably a better question is, How much time do we have to stop it?
I am posing a real question. Any takers?
OnyxCollie
(9,958 posts)and that stuff will be GONE.
(Poof!)
Like magic. Or so I have been led to believe.
spanone
(135,632 posts)scroll all the way down on this link
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http://lmrk.org/corexit_9500_uscueg.539287.pdf
justice1
(795 posts)They had inside information to avoid the "haircut." They would do anything to avoid paying their fair share, so we know who is going to get stuck with most of this bill.
CrispyQ
(36,225 posts)Sad as these images are, maybe this is what it will take for Americans to wake up? This devastation is not happening in some rural area where there are a few houses and a cow or two. This is in main stream America. What more evidence do we need to wake the fuck up? The corporate behemoths are simply a way for a group of rich, individual elites to behave however the fuck they want, without any personal consequence to them.
The last photo . . . are those two lawn chairs on the edge of the muck? This could be any of our's backyard.