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support the keystone xl pipeline? ....take a look at the future...now..courtesy of exxon-mobil (Original Post) spanone Apr 2013 OP
I don't want any part of that future... CaliforniaPeggy Apr 2013 #1
+1,000 AnotherDreamWeaver Apr 2013 #2
Makes me almost glad I'll be checking out before it gets too bad. Before all the Auntie Bush Apr 2013 #3
me too, but i think about my kids and their kids..... spanone Apr 2013 #5
Yes, I really feel sorry and worry about my grand kids future. Auntie Bush Apr 2013 #6
Right there with you Auntie... 99Forever Apr 2013 #9
Why the local residents JackInGreen Apr 2013 #18
HUGE K & R !!! WillyT Apr 2013 #4
it appears the media has no or very little interest. spanone Apr 2013 #7
Our media is owned by The Big Interests truedelphi Apr 2013 #14
Bootstraps on aisle 4 mindwalker_i Apr 2013 #8
The Keystone XL pipeline would be carrying 10 times as much oil. limpyhobbler Apr 2013 #10
sadly, as you point out, we'll leave an even bigger legacy for our kids and their kids spanone Apr 2013 #11
And some day when we're gone they'll still be cursing us. AAO Apr 2013 #15
We still can. AverageJoe90 Apr 2013 #17
Kick and the Oiled Wildlife in the RESCUE Center up on their KoKo Apr 2013 #12
Pipeline breaks happen. But spill of this magnitude are completely inexcusable. Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #13
They had the the technology to prevent the Gulf Oil Spill also, but profits come sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #19
this pipeline is reportedly 80 yrs old. wtf are they thinking? they don't. it's all profit. spanone Apr 2013 #21
It's take profits out first and run. BP did it, they all do since Bush allowed self-regulation. freshwest Apr 2013 #26
Forget about all the worrying of a supposed, hypothetical, "climate apocalypse" for a second....... AverageJoe90 Apr 2013 #16
The ugliness shows it's frightful face. defacto7 Apr 2013 #20
Give it a few months and a million gallons of Corexit, OnyxCollie Apr 2013 #22
'No toxicity studies have been conducted on this product.' spanone Apr 2013 #24
Exxon Mobil on March 5th withdrew 2.5 billion dollars from Cyprus justice1 Apr 2013 #23
big oil fuckers CrispyQ Apr 2013 #25
Angry sad rec. progressoid Apr 2013 #27

spanone

(135,632 posts)
5. me too, but i think about my kids and their kids.....
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 09:07 PM
Apr 2013

we have screwed the future

someone on the teevee said this pipeline was 80 yrs old. why are they allowed to use it?


the keystone pipeline will be used until it pollutes communities and then used more....you can bet on it.

JackInGreen

(2,975 posts)
18. Why the local residents
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 10:53 PM
Apr 2013

don't decorate their mailboxes with the severed heads of oil pr agents I'll never know, I think the first suit I encountered that told me 'Oh, it's not a HUGE deal, we can afford the settlement and the cleanup will be a long project' would find himself feed for the local livestock.

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
14. Our media is owned by The Big Interests
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 10:41 PM
Apr 2013

We seee it again and again. President Bush wants to go to war against the people of Iraq - and no one in the media opposes it. It will be a quick war, deserved by the Iraqis as they attacked us on Nine Eleven. Once it is over, we will be paying 60 cents a gallon at the pump. What's to oppose?

Gm food is good; and of course, the Big Pharma products are never investigated by the Media, there is just very little investigative news any more.

Big Oil, Big Finance, Big Insurance, Big Medical interests, Military Industrial Governmental interests: any information out there that might damage any of these players - it all gets swept under the rug.



limpyhobbler

(8,244 posts)
10. The Keystone XL pipeline would be carrying 10 times as much oil.
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 09:49 PM
Apr 2013

It would carry 900,000 barrels/day. This one only carried about 80,000 barrels/day.

 

AAO

(3,300 posts)
15. And some day when we're gone they'll still be cursing us.
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 10:47 PM
Apr 2013

I just wish we could have done more...

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
12. Kick and the Oiled Wildlife in the RESCUE Center up on their
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 10:13 PM
Apr 2013

Facebook Page. Just in time for spring when the new ones would be incubating for birth... How much wildlife will be lost along with the suffering these people have losing their homes.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
13. Pipeline breaks happen. But spill of this magnitude are completely inexcusable.
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 10:14 PM
Apr 2013

The technology exist and is in use to detect breaks and cut off flow.

WTF!

This is hugely damaging to Exxon's PR and to the XL pipeline, and richly deserved if this is the best they can do.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
19. They had the the technology to prevent the Gulf Oil Spill also, but profits come
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 10:57 PM
Apr 2013

before safety.

Obama told us they had the technology, just 18 days before the Gulf Oil Spill. He said that those who kept the ban on offshore drilling in place all these years, Democrats mostly, were depending on old information and did not understand how advanced we are now. HIS advisors (I wonder who they were, 'cause they all should have been prosecuted by now) he said, had changed HIS mind by bringing him up to date on the safety of oil rigs today.

18 days later an oil rig blew up killing 11 human beings and destroying the Gulf for generations to come, killing wildlife and causing untold damage, the extent of which we may never know.

If they had the technology, they sure didn't use it. And of course, as always, there were no consequences for anyone.

spanone

(135,632 posts)
21. this pipeline is reportedly 80 yrs old. wtf are they thinking? they don't. it's all profit.
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 11:08 PM
Apr 2013

this pipeline disaster could have been averted. it wasn't and neither will future ones...

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
26. It's take profits out first and run. BP did it, they all do since Bush allowed self-regulation.
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 11:56 PM
Apr 2013

More of that invisible hand of the market, enlightened self-interest libertarian bullshit. The problem with all that is whose self-interest are we talking about.

CEOs, owners and shareholders live miles away and never suffer the results those with little profit from the corporations, make more money by allowing the infrastructure to break down for short term gains. This is now standard operating procedure for these global businesses.

It is literally in their self-interest to gamble on actions that cause severe economic and ecological damage to others they will never be able to make whole. So they will NOT use available technology unless forced to do so by government - in this case the local state and they elected rightwing politicans who let ALEC write the laws to limit their liability and maximize their profits.

And the social or other issues that keep the state legislature in those hands haven't stopped getting support. It's tragic.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
16. Forget about all the worrying of a supposed, hypothetical, "climate apocalypse" for a second.......
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 10:50 PM
Apr 2013

And just take a look at these photos. You don't need to believe in a New Agey "total climate apocalypse" theory to be very concerned about the possible negative side effects of Keystone XL(yes, for those of you skeptics out there, Keystone XL certainly would contribute to global warming, about .4/.5*C if all two trillion tons get burned, and that's not the only project of it's kind out there, either, as Bill McKibben and others have pointed out.).....including, and perhaps especially, spills like these.

You think this is nasty? It is, without a fucking doubt. Now imagine the pipeline failing somewhere in Kansas or Okla. and spilling out its contents......let's just say that it could make the Mayflower incident look like an effing cakewalk.

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
20. The ugliness shows it's frightful face.
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 11:04 PM
Apr 2013

Even if the keystone pipeline passes all legal tests of government could it still be stopped?

Probably a better question is, How much time do we have to stop it?

I am posing a real question. Any takers?

 

OnyxCollie

(9,958 posts)
22. Give it a few months and a million gallons of Corexit,
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 11:19 PM
Apr 2013

and that stuff will be GONE.

(Poof!)

Like magic. Or so I have been led to believe.

justice1

(795 posts)
23. Exxon Mobil on March 5th withdrew 2.5 billion dollars from Cyprus
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 11:30 PM
Apr 2013

They had inside information to avoid the "haircut." They would do anything to avoid paying their fair share, so we know who is going to get stuck with most of this bill.

CrispyQ

(36,225 posts)
25. big oil fuckers
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 11:55 PM
Apr 2013

Sad as these images are, maybe this is what it will take for Americans to wake up? This devastation is not happening in some rural area where there are a few houses and a cow or two. This is in main stream America. What more evidence do we need to wake the fuck up? The corporate behemoths are simply a way for a group of rich, individual elites to behave however the fuck they want, without any personal consequence to them.

The last photo . . . are those two lawn chairs on the edge of the muck? This could be any of our's backyard.

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