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http://www.salon.com/2013/04/01/bad_ideas_that_just_wont_dieMONDAY, APR 1, 2013 07:45 AM EDT
Mr. President, you won the election, not them!
Obamas new budget will reportedly include GOP's beloved entitlement cuts. Why he's overlooking the real solution
BY JOAN WALSH
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The Wall Street Journal reported Friday that the budget will likely include the chained CPI for Social Security. We and all of the groups engaged on this are starting to feel it may well be in the budget, AARP vice president Nancy LeaMond told the WSJ. The same day the New York Times revealed that Obama and House Republicans are getting close to agreement on a package of Medicare cuts that would restructure Medicare parts A and B one covers hospitalization, the other doctors visits to raise deductibles for the 80 percent of seniors who see doctors but dont require hospitalization in any given year. The Times reports that some version of the proposal might also find its way into the 2014 budget.
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OK, Id rather not see Obama make that deal, because I think its bad policy. As a New York Times editorial argued Sunday, less than half of 55- to 64-year-olds have any retirement savings, and of those whove managed to save, half have less than $120,000. Its also bad politics: Watch for Republicans to hang those cuts around the neck of Democrats for years to come. But in the context of a big deal that raises revenue, theyre at least debatable.
But putting them in a budget document with the presidents name on it, without getting anything in exchange? No one in the Senate wants his or her name on chained CPI: 10 days ago by voice vote they backed a measure by Sen. Bernie Sanders specifically opposing a switch to the chained CPI. No voice was raised on the other side.
The presidents political folks know that his futile crusade for compromise with Republicans at any cost hurt him politically. Jim Messina called the debt-ceiling debacle a white knuckle moment for the 2012 reelection campaign. So what would be different now (for Democrats, anyway; the president doesnt have to face reelection)?
Obama is likely to defend such proposed cuts as necessary to afford investment in programs for young people, including a new and necessary push for preschool. As Paul Krugman explained so eloquently and as Ive argued here and here deficit-cutting is now being defended as for the children.
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We are of course cheating our children, but its not with entitlement spending; its with 30 years of tax cutting and disinvestment in education. Today, we cheat them by ignoring the joblessness and poverty of their parents, while acting like education is a reliable ticket out of poverty, when for too many kids, it wont be.
REST AT LINK[p]
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)I think he will enter the running for worst president in history.
tblue
(16,350 posts)I'n suffering from outrage fatigue. Just completely drained.
ProfessionalLeftist
(4,982 posts)what link?
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)It sends me to a general Salon forums page.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Seriously, WTF is he thinking? Is he buying into the RW extremist economics?
tokenlib
(4,186 posts)The GOP will take over the Senate, gain in the house, and Organizing for America will be reduced to a gathering of Third Way and Democrats for the Leisure Class (DLC) refugees.
2014 will be worse than 2010 as the heart is cut out from the Presidents base.
No amount of guilt tripping by those who blindly accept the idea of "entitlement" DEFORM will change that.
AND the GOP will "blame" Obama and the Dems for the cuts....
retired rooster
(114 posts)...slip the leash the Repugs seem to have on him. When will he go on the attack?
xtraxritical
(3,576 posts)and I can't wait to see what the President would do with cooperative houses in Congress.
indepat
(20,899 posts)among the five best president ever imo if he had championed progressive causes rather than governing from a good bit right of center. America will be the loser and the wholly unpatriotic Republican Party will now have a chance to wipe out any remaining vestige of our Constitution and founding principles.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)the GOP may as well control the Senate, too.
fredamae
(4,458 posts)must choose our own candidates and stop allowing the Elitist Corporate Leaders (on both sides) to choose on "our" (lol) behalf..
Not change, just more grooming the "up and comers" who are trained to maintain the status quo--finger pointing, theatrical performance of the "good cop-bad cop" austerity loving bs that leaves us always choosing between bad and worse than bad----while "running off" the ones we want.
Thats why the politicians are successful at taking us (dems) rightward slower than the gop says they will....they're really the "same"....in a broader sense. imo.
I'll never forget the absolute disregard the day "we" were called whiners and retarded. Thats what "they" really think of us--we are, post elections, nothing more to them than an irritation.
Yes, I am cynical-but am I wrong?
dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)We need to focus on the primaries more, and on the processes involved for bringing candidates to the primaries.
In my district, a good progressive was defeated in 2012 by a centrist Dem. We had organized heavily for the progressive. We were up against the party establishment, and lost. But we truly had a great candidate who views that campaign as a learning experience and a stepping stone for 2014, when he will run again. That's a formula for future success, long and difficult as the struggle is.
Times change, and when things get worse, people will look outside the establishment for solutions. The more we prepare candidates and get voters familiar with progressive proposals, the better position we'll be in when the moment is ready for us.
fredamae
(4,458 posts)run for offices ourselves. City Council, County Commission, Mayors etc.
Get involved with your local Dem Party---run for office with-in....
We, clearly--after Decades of "trying" will Never change the "status quo" if "we" don't act.
There are, for instance, Many right here on DU that are Highly qualified to run for various offices in both state and local offices.
Don't under estimate your Own talents--you Are what "the people seek"
dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)I don't know of any existing mechanism for it, but there are indeed a lot of people on this forum who would make good candidates. Just wondering out aloud about some way DU could help develop their own. I'm sure there are existing organizations that more naturally align with that kind of thing. PDA? Not sure.
DU is a large and active community, perhaps a group could form towards this purpose. If so, I would hope that it would strive for bluer blue, not just for getting someone with a D after their name in office. One of the keys would be for the candidate to be free of the constraints of corporate campaign finances. Wishadoo candidates? Some other kind of online crowd-sourcing?
Speaking for myself, I could use the work, but my place would be as an advocate or campaign worker rather than as a candidate (anyone that knows me knows this). I'm sure there are many good potential candidates in our midst who just need a supportive environment to get their start.
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fredamae
(4,458 posts)way to find out...ask Not sure if they Can, but it's a great idea...
We can also look around our own local communities. There are great people who never thought about it that might be willing.
I too am not a good choice, I don't have the "calm professional nature" that I believe is essential...
I Know there is a fabulous "pool of potentials" right here on DU
I see local city/county officials to be the "roots" of a national government. Treat the "diseased roots" and the rest of the tree thrives...
lark
(23,090 posts)Where are all the people who always jump on these threads stating that Obama would NEVER do this and we're all just hyperventillating? Hmm, where? It's been obvious from years that this is one of Obama's wet dreams, he keeps raising the issue and putting this on the table, time after time. This time he ever put it in writing for all to see. Is he really a Dem, or just another pol out for himself and taking the bribes (or scared of the threats?) of the Repugs? He certainly didn't say any of this crap as candidate Obama, because he knows it's a loser and will make the Dems a much tinier and non-competitive party. Repugs must be grinning ear to ear. For shame, Mr. President. I am so ashamed of you right now.
Mr. President, you won, why are you ?????????
markpkessinger
(8,392 posts)... to continue to defend him.
But don't look for any admissions that they were wrong.
msongs
(67,394 posts)He's a moderate Republican, if you think anything else your fooling yourselves.
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maddiemom
(5,106 posts)Obama's a Socialist. Can they even define the term? I only wish it were even half true. The growing ignorance of many of our citizens is beginning to become tragic.
fredamae
(4,458 posts)or AKA: Clintons Third Way/New Democrat Coalition
When OR's Blue Dog joined? "RepubliDem Rebranding" in the works..
http://newdemocratcoalition-kind.house.gov/membership
markpkessinger
(8,392 posts). . . is slightly to the right of Richard Nixon!
fredamae
(4,458 posts)JEB
(4,748 posts)Leave Grandma and the futures of our children alone.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Today, we cheat them by ignoring the joblessness and poverty of their parents, while acting like education is a reliable ticket out of poverty, when for too many kids, it wont be.
I see that in my family.
People in their 50s and 60s are really hurting. Many of them have been out of work for quite a few years.
This is not the time to cut Medicare and turn to chained CPI.
This is the time to impose minimum taxes on corporations that do over a certain amount of business a year and COLLECT THE TAXES THEY AND THE 1% OWE. That's what is needed.
Social Security and Medicare were enacted so that elderly people could live their final years and die in dignity without having to beg from their children.
Social Security and Medicare were enacted so that younger people could focus on education and raising their own families and not have to worry about their parents.
Social Security and Medicare are good for everyone.
We need a similar program to help fund college for qualified students and replaced oppressive student loans. Every working person benefits when our young people are educated. Why don't we establish a fund to which all working people contribute to help pay for our colleges and universities.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)woo me with science
(32,139 posts)"the GOP's beloved entitlement cuts"
How quaint, pretending that Obama has been anything but a forceful advocate of them.
Marr
(20,317 posts)DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)but if he puts the chained cpi in, then we know we are doomed.
Marr
(20,317 posts)Hasn't Obama's major complaint been, essentially, that the GOP doesn't love entitlement cuts enough to stop their blanket obstruction?
He has repeatedly, and forcefully, maneuvered for and pushed for cuts to Social Security/Medicare/Medicaid. Starting with Simpson/Bowles, he's spent a majority of his time in office building political cover for the various parties to make it happen. He hasn't been able to convince the GOP to take "yes, please oh please, yes" for an answer, but that's all that's prevented HIS precious entitlement cuts from happening so far.
OFFTHEWALL
(5 posts)We must never create an imaginary bubble as the republicans have and unfortunately a few DU'ers have. He is a very good Illinois politician and freely throws out progressive crumbs only latter to rescind them in a fit of bipartisanship and vote his usual republican way.
He is very quick to blame the G.O.P. for his inaction but I don't think Harry Reid's sudden reversal on the filibusterer is entirely unplanned.
He is as much a Democratic as Mussolini was. Constantly tossing progressive crumbs to the self bubble enhanced progressives and often rescinding them at the very last moment in the sudden feeling of bipartisanship and mostly voting republican! Don't tell me Harry Reid's reversal was unplanned! Now we can blame the bad republicans for not getting anything done. B.S. Some deluded blacks are falling all over themselves about the false racism. He has deliberately chosen to side himself with the monied classes and refused to become a great president. He may appear to be friendly and self derogatory but it is only an intelligent political trick.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)That's been reasonably clear since shortly before his first inauguration, when he started spouting untruths about the need to fix it.
Who knows why he's obsessed with it? Perhaps he wants to outdo Clinton, who almost cut it but was thwarted by Congress?
Bizarre.
MotherPetrie
(3,145 posts)MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)MotherPetrie
(3,145 posts)forestpath
(3,102 posts)KoKo
(84,711 posts)"Political Rhetoric" that ALL Politicians do to get Elected. They just PANDER...and if you like them and their personality then it's all Okay...
I did like Bill Clinton's personality...until...NAFTA...and you all know the rest of what went on there. I got so caught up in DEFENDING Hillary and Bill...against the RW CRAZIES that I didn't pay enough attention to what Bill gave away during "MonicaGate."
I never...ever wanted to be snookered like that again.
But.....It happens.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)This is just brilliant Chess.
They'll Fix It Later.
markpkessinger
(8,392 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Autumn
(45,045 posts)a bit if this is true, and I expect that this is how it will play out. God knows Obama has pushed for it enough.
DemocracyInaction
(2,506 posts)Seriously, what will take the GOP from death is Obama steering the hatred and anger onto the Dems. Then, bingo, we are in the political sewer and the Koch dream of the repukes bringing their fascist rule to the country will be complete. The teabaggers will be back on steroids. Clinton tried to kill liberalism as a good southern boy...Obama will bring it to its knees.
kenny blankenship
(15,689 posts)He's doing exactly what he wants as a loyal Reagan heir and disciple.
How can you be this stupid? Does it hurt?
4dsc
(5,787 posts)If this comes to pass then I'm out of here as a democratic party member.