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Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 12:08 PM Apr 2013

Joan Walsh: Mr. President, You Won the Election, Not Them! (Chained CPI, Medicare Deductibles)

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http://www.salon.com/2013/04/01/bad_ideas_that_just_won’t_die

MONDAY, APR 1, 2013 07:45 AM EDT

Mr. President, you won the election, not them!

Obama’s new budget will reportedly include GOP's beloved entitlement cuts. Why he's overlooking the real solution


BY JOAN WALSH

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The Wall Street Journal reported Friday that the budget will likely include the chained CPI for Social Security. “We and all of the groups engaged on this are starting to feel it may well be in the budget,” AARP vice president Nancy LeaMond told the WSJ. The same day the New York Times revealed that Obama and House Republicans are getting close to agreement on a package of Medicare cuts that would restructure Medicare parts A and B – one covers hospitalization, the other doctors’ visits — to raise deductibles for the 80 percent of seniors who see doctors but don’t require hospitalization in any given year. The Times reports that some version of the proposal might also find its way into the 2014 budget.

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OK, I’d rather not see Obama make that deal, because I think it’s bad policy. As a New York Times editorial argued Sunday, less than half of 55- to 64-year-olds have any retirement savings, and of those who’ve managed to save, half have less than $120,000. It’s also bad politics: Watch for Republicans to hang those cuts around the neck of Democrats for years to come. But in the context of a big deal that raises revenue, they’re at least debatable.

But putting them in a budget document with the president’s name on it, without getting anything in exchange? No one in the Senate wants his or her name on chained CPI: 10 days ago by voice vote they backed a measure by Sen. Bernie Sanders specifically opposing a switch to the chained CPI. No voice was raised on the other side.

The president’s political folks know that his futile crusade for compromise with Republicans at any cost hurt him politically. Jim Messina called the debt-ceiling debacle a “white knuckle moment” for the 2012 reelection campaign. So what would be different now (for Democrats, anyway; the president doesn’t have to face reelection)?

Obama is likely to defend such proposed cuts as necessary to afford investment in programs for young people, including a new and necessary push for preschool. As Paul Krugman explained so eloquently – and as I’ve argued here and here – deficit-cutting is now being defended as “for the children.”

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We are of course cheating our children, but it’s not with entitlement spending; it’s with 30 years of tax cutting and disinvestment in education. Today, we cheat them by ignoring the joblessness and poverty of their parents, while acting like education is a reliable ticket out of poverty, when for too many kids, it won’t be.

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Joan Walsh: Mr. President, You Won the Election, Not Them! (Chained CPI, Medicare Deductibles) (Original Post) Hissyspit Apr 2013 OP
If he proposes SS and Medicare cuts, education privatization, and signs off on KeystoneXL, Doctor_J Apr 2013 #1
I don't even know what to say. tblue Apr 2013 #6
"rest at link" ProfessionalLeftist Apr 2013 #2
Oops. Fixed. Hissyspit Apr 2013 #4
Hmm. Even the "correct" link isn't working right. Hissyspit Apr 2013 #14
here bananas Apr 2013 #42
Worst deal ever AgingAmerican Apr 2013 #3
When the "Great Betrayal" tag gets worn by the President...the GOP wins.. tokenlib Apr 2013 #5
I wish our President would... retired rooster Apr 2013 #7
I get angst thinking about it. I hope Dems can prevail in 2014 xtraxritical Apr 2013 #8
Wholly agree: a political death wish for the Democratic Party. BHO could have ranked indepat Apr 2013 #25
Well, with Harry Reid as the majority leader... awoke_in_2003 Apr 2013 #37
This is Why WE fredamae Apr 2013 #9
You are absolutely correct dreamnightwind Apr 2013 #33
We also need to fredamae Apr 2013 #36
Could DU somehow grow and nurture candidates? dreamnightwind Apr 2013 #39
As far as DU? Only one fredamae Apr 2013 #40
Amazing the little attention this has garnered so far. lark Apr 2013 #10
I think it has become increasingly difficult even for the most die-hard Obama supporters... markpkessinger Apr 2013 #43
obama seems to have an unnatural desire to appease republicans nt msongs Apr 2013 #11
Folks Phlem Apr 2013 #12
Yep. I could expire laughing over all the Repugs who keep crying that maddiemom Apr 2013 #19
You got it! Republican Party Circa 1960's fredamae Apr 2013 #24
I've said all along that President Obama . . . markpkessinger Apr 2013 #45
There you have it! n/t fredamae Apr 2013 #46
Cut the f...ing lardass DoD. JEB Apr 2013 #13
This is particularly true. JDPriestly Apr 2013 #15
This would work great in a correctly functioning democracy.... uponit7771 Apr 2013 #16
The pretending just goes on and on and on.... woo me with science Apr 2013 #17
Yep. +1 Marr Apr 2013 #21
I have defended Obama DonCoquixote Apr 2013 #18
"GOP's beloved entitlement cuts" Marr Apr 2013 #20
"Herbert Hoover" Obama OFFTHEWALL Apr 2013 #22
Cutting SS is a strange fetish for Obama MannyGoldstein Apr 2013 #23
Maybe he's just into chains MotherPetrie Apr 2013 #27
Hmmm... MannyGoldstein Apr 2013 #30
K&R MotherPetrie Apr 2013 #26
No, THEY won. Obama is destroying the Democratic party for them. forestpath Apr 2013 #28
Well...can't argue with that...but we aren't supposed to listen to KoKo Apr 2013 #29
Don't worry. bvar22 Apr 2013 #31
Right -- in the second . . . I mean third. . . oh, wait markpkessinger Apr 2013 #44
Perhaps there is no real "THEM." WinkyDink Apr 2013 #32
Goes to show writing and calling and petitions don't help Autumn Apr 2013 #34
someone has to save the GOP DemocracyInaction Apr 2013 #35
Dear Joan, WAKE THE FUCK UP. kenny blankenship Apr 2013 #38
More weak leadership I see 4dsc Apr 2013 #41
Repeat after me: Obama WANTS these cuts. From Day One he's WANTED these cuts. blkmusclmachine Apr 2013 #47
 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
1. If he proposes SS and Medicare cuts, education privatization, and signs off on KeystoneXL,
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 12:42 PM
Apr 2013

I think he will enter the running for worst president in history.

tokenlib

(4,186 posts)
5. When the "Great Betrayal" tag gets worn by the President...the GOP wins..
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 01:15 PM
Apr 2013

The GOP will take over the Senate, gain in the house, and Organizing for America will be reduced to a gathering of Third Way and Democrats for the Leisure Class (DLC) refugees.

2014 will be worse than 2010 as the heart is cut out from the Presidents base.

No amount of guilt tripping by those who blindly accept the idea of "entitlement" DEFORM will change that.

AND the GOP will "blame" Obama and the Dems for the cuts....

retired rooster

(114 posts)
7. I wish our President would...
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 01:20 PM
Apr 2013

...slip the leash the Repugs seem to have on him. When will he go on the attack?

 

xtraxritical

(3,576 posts)
8. I get angst thinking about it. I hope Dems can prevail in 2014
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 01:26 PM
Apr 2013

and I can't wait to see what the President would do with cooperative houses in Congress.

indepat

(20,899 posts)
25. Wholly agree: a political death wish for the Democratic Party. BHO could have ranked
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 05:59 PM
Apr 2013

among the five best president ever imo if he had championed progressive causes rather than governing from a good bit right of center. America will be the loser and the wholly unpatriotic Republican Party will now have a chance to wipe out any remaining vestige of our Constitution and founding principles.

fredamae

(4,458 posts)
9. This is Why WE
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 01:33 PM
Apr 2013

must choose our own candidates and stop allowing the Elitist Corporate Leaders (on both sides) to choose on "our" (lol) behalf..

Not change, just more grooming the "up and comers" who are trained to maintain the status quo--finger pointing, theatrical performance of the "good cop-bad cop" austerity loving bs that leaves us always choosing between bad and worse than bad----while "running off" the ones we want.

Thats why the politicians are successful at taking us (dems) rightward slower than the gop says they will....they're really the "same"....in a broader sense. imo.
I'll never forget the absolute disregard the day "we" were called whiners and retarded. Thats what "they" really think of us--we are, post elections, nothing more to them than an irritation.
Yes, I am cynical-but am I wrong?

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
33. You are absolutely correct
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 08:15 PM
Apr 2013

We need to focus on the primaries more, and on the processes involved for bringing candidates to the primaries.

In my district, a good progressive was defeated in 2012 by a centrist Dem. We had organized heavily for the progressive. We were up against the party establishment, and lost. But we truly had a great candidate who views that campaign as a learning experience and a stepping stone for 2014, when he will run again. That's a formula for future success, long and difficult as the struggle is.

Times change, and when things get worse, people will look outside the establishment for solutions. The more we prepare candidates and get voters familiar with progressive proposals, the better position we'll be in when the moment is ready for us.

fredamae

(4,458 posts)
36. We also need to
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 09:04 AM
Apr 2013

run for offices ourselves. City Council, County Commission, Mayors etc.

Get involved with your local Dem Party---run for office with-in....

We, clearly--after Decades of "trying" will Never change the "status quo" if "we" don't act.

There are, for instance, Many right here on DU that are Highly qualified to run for various offices in both state and local offices.

Don't under estimate your Own talents--you Are what "the people seek"

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
39. Could DU somehow grow and nurture candidates?
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 12:00 PM
Apr 2013

I don't know of any existing mechanism for it, but there are indeed a lot of people on this forum who would make good candidates. Just wondering out aloud about some way DU could help develop their own. I'm sure there are existing organizations that more naturally align with that kind of thing. PDA? Not sure.

DU is a large and active community, perhaps a group could form towards this purpose. If so, I would hope that it would strive for bluer blue, not just for getting someone with a D after their name in office. One of the keys would be for the candidate to be free of the constraints of corporate campaign finances. Wishadoo candidates? Some other kind of online crowd-sourcing?

Speaking for myself, I could use the work, but my place would be as an advocate or campaign worker rather than as a candidate (anyone that knows me knows this). I'm sure there are many good potential candidates in our midst who just need a supportive environment to get their start.

edited to add:

fredamae

(4,458 posts)
40. As far as DU? Only one
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 12:13 PM
Apr 2013

way to find out...ask Not sure if they Can, but it's a great idea...
We can also look around our own local communities. There are great people who never thought about it that might be willing.
I too am not a good choice, I don't have the "calm professional nature" that I believe is essential...

I Know there is a fabulous "pool of potentials" right here on DU
I see local city/county officials to be the "roots" of a national government. Treat the "diseased roots" and the rest of the tree thrives...

lark

(23,090 posts)
10. Amazing the little attention this has garnered so far.
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 01:52 PM
Apr 2013

Where are all the people who always jump on these threads stating that Obama would NEVER do this and we're all just hyperventillating? Hmm, where? It's been obvious from years that this is one of Obama's wet dreams, he keeps raising the issue and putting this on the table, time after time. This time he ever put it in writing for all to see. Is he really a Dem, or just another pol out for himself and taking the bribes (or scared of the threats?) of the Repugs? He certainly didn't say any of this crap as candidate Obama, because he knows it's a loser and will make the Dems a much tinier and non-competitive party. Repugs must be grinning ear to ear. For shame, Mr. President. I am so ashamed of you right now.



Mr. President, you won, why are you ?????????

markpkessinger

(8,392 posts)
43. I think it has become increasingly difficult even for the most die-hard Obama supporters...
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 08:07 PM
Apr 2013

... to continue to defend him.

But don't look for any admissions that they were wrong.

maddiemom

(5,106 posts)
19. Yep. I could expire laughing over all the Repugs who keep crying that
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 02:47 PM
Apr 2013

Obama's a Socialist. Can they even define the term? I only wish it were even half true. The growing ignorance of many of our citizens is beginning to become tragic.

fredamae

(4,458 posts)
24. You got it! Republican Party Circa 1960's
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 03:24 PM
Apr 2013

or AKA: Clintons Third Way/New Democrat Coalition
When OR's Blue Dog joined? "RepubliDem Rebranding" in the works..
http://newdemocratcoalition-kind.house.gov/membership

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
15. This is particularly true.
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 02:16 PM
Apr 2013

Today, we cheat them by ignoring the joblessness and poverty of their parents, while acting like education is a reliable ticket out of poverty, when for too many kids, it won’t be.

I see that in my family.

People in their 50s and 60s are really hurting. Many of them have been out of work for quite a few years.

This is not the time to cut Medicare and turn to chained CPI.

This is the time to impose minimum taxes on corporations that do over a certain amount of business a year and COLLECT THE TAXES THEY AND THE 1% OWE. That's what is needed.

Social Security and Medicare were enacted so that elderly people could live their final years and die in dignity without having to beg from their children.

Social Security and Medicare were enacted so that younger people could focus on education and raising their own families and not have to worry about their parents.

Social Security and Medicare are good for everyone.

We need a similar program to help fund college for qualified students and replaced oppressive student loans. Every working person benefits when our young people are educated. Why don't we establish a fund to which all working people contribute to help pay for our colleges and universities.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
17. The pretending just goes on and on and on....
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 02:29 PM
Apr 2013

"the GOP's beloved entitlement cuts"

How quaint, pretending that Obama has been anything but a forceful advocate of them.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
20. "GOP's beloved entitlement cuts"
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 02:59 PM
Apr 2013

Hasn't Obama's major complaint been, essentially, that the GOP doesn't love entitlement cuts enough to stop their blanket obstruction?

He has repeatedly, and forcefully, maneuvered for and pushed for cuts to Social Security/Medicare/Medicaid. Starting with Simpson/Bowles, he's spent a majority of his time in office building political cover for the various parties to make it happen. He hasn't been able to convince the GOP to take "yes, please oh please, yes" for an answer, but that's all that's prevented HIS precious entitlement cuts from happening so far.

 

OFFTHEWALL

(5 posts)
22. "Herbert Hoover" Obama
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 03:04 PM
Apr 2013

We must never create an imaginary bubble as the republicans have and unfortunately a few DU'ers have. He is a very good Illinois politician and freely throws out progressive crumbs only latter to rescind them in a fit of bipartisanship and vote his usual republican way.
He is very quick to blame the G.O.P. for his inaction but I don't think Harry Reid's sudden reversal on the filibusterer is entirely unplanned.
He is as much a Democratic as Mussolini was. Constantly tossing progressive crumbs to the self bubble enhanced progressives and often rescinding them at the very last moment in the sudden feeling of bipartisanship and mostly voting republican! Don't tell me Harry Reid's reversal was unplanned! Now we can blame the bad republicans for not getting anything done. B.S. Some deluded blacks are falling all over themselves about the false racism. He has deliberately chosen to side himself with the monied classes and refused to become a great president. He may appear to be friendly and self derogatory but it is only an intelligent political trick.




#!
 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
23. Cutting SS is a strange fetish for Obama
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 03:09 PM
Apr 2013

That's been reasonably clear since shortly before his first inauguration, when he started spouting untruths about the need to fix it.

Who knows why he's obsessed with it? Perhaps he wants to outdo Clinton, who almost cut it but was thwarted by Congress?

Bizarre.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
29. Well...can't argue with that...but we aren't supposed to listen to
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 07:04 PM
Apr 2013

"Political Rhetoric" that ALL Politicians do to get Elected. They just PANDER...and if you like them and their personality then it's all Okay...

I did like Bill Clinton's personality...until...NAFTA...and you all know the rest of what went on there. I got so caught up in DEFENDING Hillary and Bill...against the RW CRAZIES that I didn't pay enough attention to what Bill gave away during "MonicaGate."

I never...ever wanted to be snookered like that again.

But.....It happens.

Autumn

(45,045 posts)
34. Goes to show writing and calling and petitions don't help
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 08:25 PM
Apr 2013

a bit if this is true, and I expect that this is how it will play out. God knows Obama has pushed for it enough.

DemocracyInaction

(2,506 posts)
35. someone has to save the GOP
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 08:53 PM
Apr 2013

Seriously, what will take the GOP from death is Obama steering the hatred and anger onto the Dems. Then, bingo, we are in the political sewer and the Koch dream of the repukes bringing their fascist rule to the country will be complete. The teabaggers will be back on steroids. Clinton tried to kill liberalism as a good southern boy...Obama will bring it to its knees.




kenny blankenship

(15,689 posts)
38. Dear Joan, WAKE THE FUCK UP.
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 11:14 AM
Apr 2013

He's doing exactly what he wants as a loyal Reagan heir and disciple.

How can you be this stupid? Does it hurt?

 

4dsc

(5,787 posts)
41. More weak leadership I see
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 04:21 PM
Apr 2013

If this comes to pass then I'm out of here as a democratic party member.

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