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Tommy_Carcetti

(43,166 posts)
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 09:44 AM Apr 2013

Disturbing new study regarding purebred dogs

Last edited Mon Apr 1, 2013, 11:52 AM - Edit history (1)

I really don't know how to make heads or tails about this.

But if it's true (and the science behind it leads me to believe it is) it explains a lot, at least given my past experience with both purebreds and mixed breeds.

Needless to say, next time I look into getting a dog, it will not be a purebred.

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http://www.thestar.com/life/2013/04/01/purebred_dogs_lack_the_soul_of_mixed_breed_counterparts.html

Study: Purebred dogs lack the “soul” of mixed breed counterparts

University of Waterloo research indicates purebreds severely lacking critical emotional intelligence skills, cites genetic malformations

By: James Iha, News reporter, Published on Mon Apr 1 2013

A controversial new study recently published in The Canadian Veterinary Journal indicates that dogs that are specifically bred to owners for the purposes of representing a particular breed are staggeringly deficient in their ability to emote, express enjoyment in their lives, or otherwise relate to the needs and feelings of their owners or fellow dogs.

The study, conducted by University of Waterloo Assistant Professor of Veterinary Sociology Dr. Danny Myshrall, enlisted the help of 100 owners of recently deceased canines. Half of the participants owned mixed breed dogs of indeterminate type (colloquially known as “mutts”), while the other half were owners of traditional “purebred” dogs. “Amongst the purebreds, we made sure the sample represented a wide swath along the spectrum of breeds,” Myshrall explained. “This included both your traditional dog breeds: Labradors, Poodles, Schipperkes, Komondoors, Redbone Coonhounds, Bouvier des Flandres, and so on. We also included the more recent trend of so-called ‘designer’ breeds: Labrodoodles, Puggles, Bernedoodles, Schnooldles, Yorkie-Poos and Shih-Poos.”

Owners were first asked to give researchers a psychological profile of their pet: how affectionate he or she was towards the owner, what activities (if any) stimulated the dog’s attention, acts of aggression and/or dissatisfaction, eating habits, and other key personality traits of the animal. Then—with the owner’s permission—the scientists physically examined the brains of the late dogs. The results, Myshrall said, were astounding.

“The purebred dog was ten times more likely than a mutt to exhibit signs of chronic ennui, lackadaisical behavior, and an overall expression of a general lack of any sense of greater purpose or meaning in its life,” Myshrall said. “Upon our actual dissection of the dog’s brain itself, we found almost universally that the limbic system (the part of the brain responsible for emotional response and learning) was nearly half the size in purebred dogs when compared to their mixed breed counterparts.”

“In layman’s terms, one could honestly say that purebred dogs simply do not have the same ‘soul’ as one might find in a mixed breed,” Myshrall continued.

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Disturbing new study regarding purebred dogs (Original Post) Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2013 OP
I have never noticed ennui in my wiener dogs. TwilightGardener Apr 2013 #1
I have two mini doxies, ennui is not at all a good description of their attitudes Fumesucker Apr 2013 #4
Yes. My dogs' higher purpose is to seek food, cat vomit, bunny turds... TwilightGardener Apr 2013 #5
My dogs must be from the same litter. Sheldon Cooper Apr 2013 #10
But not kitty poop? My mutts just love kitty poop! I had to build a big box to keep them out. SharonAnn Apr 2013 #82
Oh, they love kitty poop. Litter boxes are now in the basement, though, and the stairs TwilightGardener Apr 2013 #83
Catbox Crunchies! 4_TN_TITANS Apr 2013 #89
I have 3 mini-doxies RockaFowler Apr 2013 #32
I can't imagine three dachshunds. I feel like I have enough of a circus with two. TwilightGardener Apr 2013 #41
3 mini doxies a kennedy Apr 2013 #53
They are my favorite breed RockaFowler Apr 2013 #63
I have one that's all about eating, sleeping and being in daddy's lap every possible moment Fumesucker Apr 2013 #62
mini doxies.... a kennedy Apr 2013 #52
Might want to keep an eye on it then. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2013 #13
Might even be a little..evil. Yes, will have to watch them closely. TwilightGardener Apr 2013 #17
Wiener dogs..... a kennedy Apr 2013 #51
Offer them a copy of some Baudelaire poetry and see what happens. KittyWampus Apr 2013 #87
April Fool! Scuba Apr 2013 #2
Yep! Sheldon Cooper Apr 2013 #9
Gotta be. mainer Apr 2013 #37
Well, I can tell you my Pit Bull has no rhythm & can't carry a tune. baldguy Apr 2013 #3
Clearly a dog without a soul. nt Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2013 #6
Nonsense! OriginalGeek Apr 2013 #88
My cocker spaniel's got soul he can't control Kingofalldems Apr 2013 #7
Post removed Post removed Apr 2013 #8
Sheesh. Sheldon Cooper Apr 2013 #11
Typical response from a purebred owner. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2013 #12
I own purebreds, but I still have a sense of humor. Sheldon Cooper Apr 2013 #26
Dogs without feelings are no laughing matter, Sir. nt Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2013 #27
... Sheldon Cooper Apr 2013 #28
lol octothorpe Apr 2013 #69
Please notice the story doesn't say ALL purebred dogs... Silent3 Apr 2013 #14
True, but there is now scientific proof that purebreds are predisposed to this problem. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2013 #15
Just so you know, I wasn't responding to you in particular... Silent3 Apr 2013 #19
Glad you understand the problem. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2013 #20
BALL BALL BALL get the red out Apr 2013 #16
Mixed breeds know their priorities. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2013 #18
Our GSD is more "Ball, Food, Bullystick" woodsprite Apr 2013 #43
I don't know about the study, but my purebred beagle has plenty of "soul". n/t hughee99 Apr 2013 #21
You doubt Canadian science? Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2013 #22
Well, my dog isn't Canadian, maybe that's the issue. n/t hughee99 Apr 2013 #64
what a bunch of horseshit baloney. pnwest Apr 2013 #23
I just have to be honest.... Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2013 #25
April Fools Yourself. IdaBriggs Apr 2013 #47
My bullmastiffs have been incredibly empathetic and are able to communicate their feelings byeya Apr 2013 #24
Perhaps your dogs aren't as pure as you think. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2013 #29
Got all the AKC papers and the breeder, who only handles 4 litters per year, is well regarded in dog byeya Apr 2013 #72
OK, you got me. That was naughty - funny - but naughty! LOL byeya Apr 2013 #74
Much obliged. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2013 #75
With me you can - I have a poor memory. byeya Apr 2013 #91
I wonder how they controlled for Lack of Socialization with Puppy Mills? IdaBriggs Apr 2013 #30
Well, according to the study, it's internal. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2013 #31
I know that if you don't socialize a puppy at week five, they have all kinds of issues. IdaBriggs Apr 2013 #36
I should have refreshed the thread before writing my post! csziggy Apr 2013 #49
Stupid April Fool's Joke. Grrr. IdaBriggs Apr 2013 #54
If my dog was any more attached to me she'd be a tumor. bunnies Apr 2013 #33
Hey, take it up with the University of Waterloo. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2013 #35
ewwww. lol.. elehhhhna Apr 2013 #85
I wonder how many of the purebred dogs were from puppy farms csziggy Apr 2013 #34
I said the same thing. Anybody familiar with rescue IdaBriggs Apr 2013 #38
You could be looking at a combination of both. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2013 #39
I'm pretty sure this is an April Fool's Day gag, folks. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2013 #40
Haha! It was awfully odd. tblue Apr 2013 #80
Oh, FFS - April Freaking Fools! IdaBriggs Apr 2013 #42
* Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2013 #45
We did rescue - 87 puppies went through my house before my children were born. IdaBriggs Apr 2013 #50
Sigh UnrepentantLiberal Apr 2013 #44
Link does not work for me Gothmog Apr 2013 #46
My purebred Papillon has more "soul" than most humans. Autumn Apr 2013 #48
I love dogs, but "sense of greater purpose" should not be used in the same sentence. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2013 #55
Defects are magnified with continued pure breeding. tabasco Apr 2013 #56
Horse Feathers! Sekhmets Daughter Apr 2013 #57
more goddam mixed-breed snobbery, dammit! KG Apr 2013 #58
AWWW You should meet my Fang... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2013 #103
Good grief, I'm a dog lover and I thought this was hilarious mainer Apr 2013 #59
You mean Assistant Professor of Veterinary Sociology Dr. Danny Myshrall didn't throw you off? Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2013 #60
Kinda like the rich interbreeding with the rich to keep it rich ...with the same results. n/t L0oniX Apr 2013 #61
Our Golden Retreivers Muffy & Biff have been on Prozac for 7 months now ...... olddots Apr 2013 #65
That explains what is wrong with my collie. I got him from a shelter and the only emotion he appleannie1 Apr 2013 #66
Sig lines, sig lines, sig lines. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2013 #67
The more dogs mixed into one, the better the dog. MineralMan Apr 2013 #68
There is no such field as veterinary "sociology", LOL. Happy April Fool's Day to you! kestrel91316 Apr 2013 #70
But there will be! If there's money and tenure in it, and dupes the gullible like me, then we shall byeya Apr 2013 #73
Oh fucking bullshit. talkingmime Apr 2013 #71
Horse feathers! My Toy Poodle is smart, affectionate, energetic,etc. I have owned a mutt, and patricia92243 Apr 2013 #76
Sounds like purebreeds are being bred to be more catlike. Baitball Blogger Apr 2013 #77
weil done T-Boy AngryAmish Apr 2013 #78
Not true with the ones I've had; perhaps not all are the same in this regard but DeschutesRiver Apr 2013 #79
My dog says they're obviously cat people Progressive dog Apr 2013 #81
Our family dogs are a mutt and a yellow Lab. Cleita Apr 2013 #84
mutts are healthier BainsBane Apr 2013 #86
Awww! Such a cute baby! smirkymonkey Apr 2013 #94
Thanks! BainsBane Apr 2013 #97
All of my Golden Retrievers were happy, healthy dogs! In_The_Wind Apr 2013 #90
Smells like bullshit. GeorgeGist Apr 2013 #92
The research is caca LiberalFighter Apr 2013 #93
But the "designer" mixed-breeds are, by definition, not purebreds. pnwmom Apr 2013 #95
April Fool's or plain baloney. They measured canine "ennui?" DirkGently Apr 2013 #96
Well, it's comforting to know that if the Republican party does disappear, winter is coming Apr 2013 #98
"Where is Busy Bee? You forgot Busy Bee!" izzybeans Apr 2013 #99
Good one! RiffRandell Apr 2013 #104
Sorry no dice if these results could be reproduced and proven outside this study I may give it Arcanetrance Apr 2013 #100
Not in MY experience. elleng Apr 2013 #101
Link doesn't work, and I suspect an April fools joke. drm604 Apr 2013 #102
Danny Myshrall? Dr. Strange Apr 2013 #105
Yup, THAT Dr. Danny Myshrall Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2013 #106
What hogwash. beevul Apr 2013 #107
It was indeed hogwash. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2013 #108
Hook line and sinker lol. beevul Apr 2013 #109
I'm sure they are adorable. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2013 #110
Life would not be the same without them. beevul Apr 2013 #111

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
4. I have two mini doxies, ennui is not at all a good description of their attitudes
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 09:56 AM
Apr 2013

And the whole idea of dogs having "higher purpose" is pretty damn strange.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
5. Yes. My dogs' higher purpose is to seek food, cat vomit, bunny turds...
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 10:00 AM
Apr 2013

bark at anything and everything...chase the kittehs...tear around the house like lunatics...and they're OK with that. They don't seem to realize they're not living up to their potential. They're not self-actualizing.

SharonAnn

(13,772 posts)
82. But not kitty poop? My mutts just love kitty poop! I had to build a big box to keep them out.
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 01:45 PM
Apr 2013

Built a high-walled "box" that the cats could get into but that my small mutts couldn't get into. It seemed to be the only solution.

Now the cats have a "private bathroom".

LOL!

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
83. Oh, they love kitty poop. Litter boxes are now in the basement, though, and the stairs
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 01:50 PM
Apr 2013

make them too nervous to go on raids down there.

4_TN_TITANS

(2,977 posts)
89. Catbox Crunchies!
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 05:04 PM
Apr 2013

Seriously, the stupidest dogs we have ever had were the pure breeds. Everyone one of them run over or stolen.

RockaFowler

(7,429 posts)
32. I have 3 mini-doxies
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 11:15 AM
Apr 2013

And their attitude is all about eating, sleeping and making sure that we know they need to eat and sleep

Also Scooter has a fondness of finding rodents and killing them - that's what he was bred for anyways
Sable chases lizards - and brings me presents
And Jazzy just walks around the house barking at whatever sound she hears that morning

They know their purpose in our house. It's their house - we just rent it!!

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
41. I can't imagine three dachshunds. I feel like I have enough of a circus with two.
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 11:22 AM
Apr 2013

Recreational barking is definitely one of the least attractive features of this breed, LOL. Mine are on hair-trigger alert all day, unless they're totally dead asleep.

RockaFowler

(7,429 posts)
63. They are my favorite breed
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 11:53 AM
Apr 2013

I've had dogs all my life and I can't even imagine my life without the 3 of them. My kids

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
62. I have one that's all about eating, sleeping and being in daddy's lap every possible moment
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 11:50 AM
Apr 2013

The other one has the nickname of "Possum Slayer", lots of barking and chasing and able to back it up if she manages to catch something, the only time I ever got growled at was when she thought I was trying to take a kill away from her, other than that perfectly friendly to everyone, even likes little kids (which a lot of small dogs don't, including my other one).

Watching a couple of mini doxies running after deer is quite amusing.



Tommy_Carcetti

(43,166 posts)
13. Might want to keep an eye on it then.
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 10:51 AM
Apr 2013

A dog without a soul is disturbing, to say the least.

I'm sorry about the news.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
3. Well, I can tell you my Pit Bull has no rhythm & can't carry a tune.
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 09:55 AM
Apr 2013

And she doesn't dance very well, either.

OriginalGeek

(12,132 posts)
88. Nonsense!
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 03:11 PM
Apr 2013

I've seen pictures of Baldguy's pup and if that pretty baby doesn't have a soul then souls simply do not exist!

I'll defer to Baldguy with regards to said puppy's dancing and rhythm sections.

Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,166 posts)
12. Typical response from a purebred owner.
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 10:42 AM
Apr 2013

Insensitive to other's feelings, much like their pets.

Some people just can't handle the scientific truth.

I bet she thinks vaccines are evil, too.

Sheldon Cooper

(3,724 posts)
26. I own purebreds, but I still have a sense of humor.
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 11:09 AM
Apr 2013

I'm not entirely convinced that the whole article isn't an april fool's joke, but even if it's true, it's still comical. At least to me it is.

Silent3

(15,190 posts)
14. Please notice the story doesn't say ALL purebred dogs...
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 10:54 AM
Apr 2013

...have these problems.

Whether the study is right or wrong, your own particular precious, loving, purebred pooch is not evidence that the study is wrong.

Edit: This is not a reply to the poster of the OP, it's to anyone else who feels the strong need to chime in with one of those predictable I-don't-get-how-studies-work responses.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,166 posts)
15. True, but there is now scientific proof that purebreds are predisposed to this problem.
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 10:55 AM
Apr 2013

And that's proof enough for me to go mixed breed.

Silent3

(15,190 posts)
19. Just so you know, I wasn't responding to you in particular...
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 10:57 AM
Apr 2013

...as I just updated my post to say. I'm inclined myself to believe it very likely that the excesses of breeders cause problems for dogs too.

get the red out

(13,461 posts)
16. BALL BALL BALL
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 10:55 AM
Apr 2013

The purpose of life, shown to me by my Border Collie mix.

But she does seem to know our emotional state very well. One time I was upset about something and sat on the floor in the bedroom and she came up and just got in my lap, and she almost never does that, usually she will try to get me to wrestle with her if I'm on the floor. Wouldn't trade her for anything, she's our angel for sure.

woodsprite

(11,910 posts)
43. Our GSD is more "Ball, Food, Bullystick"
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 11:26 AM
Apr 2013

However, I do think I'd go with a definite mixed breed next time, one that shows some snuggly affection. We had a shepherd/husky/lab mix who loved it when you layed on the floor with her. She'd snuggle as close as she could get and lay her head on your arm. Wanted to be close to her people. Noelle wants to be with us, but is not a snuggly/touchy-feely dog. Both were/are very protective, but Silver was definitely a more mellow personality than Noelle is. Noelle wants to protect us from everything that is not part of our immediate family within the walls of our house. Silver was cool after she knew that you were ok with whatever it was she saw as a concern. Silver had one bad trait - she saw herself as below our cat and above our son in the pecking order. Noelle got the pecking order correct - son, cat, dog.

pnwest

(3,266 posts)
23. what a bunch of horseshit baloney.
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 11:05 AM
Apr 2013

My poodle is the funniest, smartest, most expressive and communicative dog I've ever met.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,166 posts)
25. I just have to be honest....
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 11:08 AM
Apr 2013

...but if you ask me to take the word between a reputable institution like the University of Waterloo, and the opinion of an anonymous poster here at DU, I'm going with research science all the way.

The problem is, people always let their emotional feelings get in the way of science.

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
47. April Fools Yourself.
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 11:31 AM
Apr 2013

This joke of yours stinks.

Yes, you proved that most people won't click on the link, and yes, you proved that people on DU love their dogs.

THUMBS DOWN.

 

byeya

(2,842 posts)
24. My bullmastiffs have been incredibly empathetic and are able to communicate their feelings
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 11:07 AM
Apr 2013

in an understandable - to humans - manner.
I've only had one at a time and spend most of the day with them and do a lot of talking to them.
I don't know what research protocols the scientists used but from my experience with bullmastiffs, the first
paragraph couldn't be more incorrect in my experience.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,166 posts)
29. Perhaps your dogs aren't as pure as you think.
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 11:10 AM
Apr 2013

And that's a good thing.

Mixed breeds are the way to go in the future.

 

byeya

(2,842 posts)
72. Got all the AKC papers and the breeder, who only handles 4 litters per year, is well regarded in dog
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 12:52 PM
Apr 2013

breeding circles. They dogs either are, or have been, breed perfect.

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
30. I wonder how they controlled for Lack of Socialization with Puppy Mills?
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 11:11 AM
Apr 2013

I would have to read the article to find out, but I am not going to bother, as it seems like Silly Science.

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
36. I know that if you don't socialize a puppy at week five, they have all kinds of issues.
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 11:20 AM
Apr 2013

Breed doesn't matter.

I also know that puppy mills / large breeders of "pure breeds" frequently do NOT socialize appropriately, and their dogs have problems.

If they didn't control for this, I roll my eyes because they are confused as to what the problem is, and puppy socialization has been identified as essential for raising 'good dogs' for decades.

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
54. Stupid April Fool's Joke. Grrr.
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 11:37 AM
Apr 2013

Those of us who actually deal with this problem (rescue/puppy mills/lack of socialization) are Not Amused.

 

bunnies

(15,859 posts)
33. If my dog was any more attached to me she'd be a tumor.
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 11:18 AM
Apr 2013

She doesnt give kisses though. Damn soulless purebred. Must be time to put her down.

csziggy

(34,135 posts)
34. I wonder how many of the purebred dogs were from puppy farms
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 11:19 AM
Apr 2013

So the dogs lacked early socialization? Considering how horrific the conditions are in many of those facilities, it wouldn't be surprising if the puppies coming out of them were denied human interaction or stimulation in the first months of their lives, which could lead to a lack of emotional reaction and less ability to be as engaged as mutt puppies who more often are raised by pet lovers who play with them from very early along.

I've never interacted with puppy mill dogs, just read about them, but the home bred dogs I have met whether purebred or mutt have all been fully socialized so I doubt that being a purebred is really a factor.

In the cats I have owned, the kittens who were feral and were not socialized within the first few weeks of life were never as affectionate or easy to get along with as the kittens who were raised by a family and got human interaction from birth. That's what leads to my thoughts.

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
38. I said the same thing. Anybody familiar with rescue
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 11:22 AM
Apr 2013

could have provided this COMMON SENSE information. As long as they controlled for it (by having the dogs socialized the same), great.

I am guessing it wasn't a concern though.

Drat it. Now I may have to go read the article. Urk.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,166 posts)
39. You could be looking at a combination of both.
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 11:22 AM
Apr 2013

Not only the inferior brain functions but also a lack of sociaization in upbringing.

Either way, it's just sad.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,661 posts)
40. I'm pretty sure this is an April Fool's Day gag, folks.
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 11:22 AM
Apr 2013

I can't find this "study" anywhere (and the page itself seems to have vanished). Not to mention that it's kind of absurd on its face. So maybe it's not worth arguing about?

tblue

(16,350 posts)
80. Haha! It was awfully odd.
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 01:35 PM
Apr 2013

Most doggies are lovey dovey. I can think of only a couple that were aloof toward me even after some amount of time, and they were purebred. But just those two.

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
42. Oh, FFS - April Freaking Fools!
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 11:25 AM
Apr 2013

No link. Nothing searchable.

Just someone playing a prank on the dog lovers of DU.

Unfortunately, many of us fell for it because there are all kinds of idiots out there, and some of them would actually publish something this inane.

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
50. We did rescue - 87 puppies went through my house before my children were born.
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 11:35 AM
Apr 2013

This story was plausible as "Stupid Science" because there are idiots out there.

In case you hadn't noticed it, sometimes when you repeat a lie, people start believing it.

People who don't click on the links (like I didn't originally) casually mention things in passing.

If you wanted to play a prank, this belonged in the Lounge.

It wasn't funny.

I am disappointed in you.

Gothmog

(145,086 posts)
46. Link does not work for me
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 11:31 AM
Apr 2013

I have purebred Bearded Collies and PBGVs at my house. Beardies have a great deal of personality and so do PBGVs.

If you ever get a chance go to a herding competition and watch beardies do what they are bred to do. Watching a good beardie move sheep around a pen is a wonderful thing to behold. We have also owned a border collie. Border collies have a very different method of moving sheep around that is very efficient but not as much fun to watch.

As for puppy mills, we have bred a couple of litters of beardies and PBGVs over the years. We were very selective as to the people who got to purchase our puppies.

Autumn

(45,042 posts)
48. My purebred Papillon has more "soul" than most humans.
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 11:32 AM
Apr 2013

His greatest purpose in life is to love me, to protect me from any size dog or person, and will go to the stove and bark at it to make me get up cook his omelette's. I can point my finger at him and say bang and he will stumble to a soft place and roll over and "die". If he wants a treat he will go to the cabinet where I keep them and bark at me, if he decides the water in his water bowl isn't fresh he will go to the refrigerator and bark at the water dispenser. When he's ready to go to bed and he thinks I'm staying up too late he will whine and rowl at me until I say lets go to bed. if I am in bed sick, no one, including my Husband is allowed to wake me up. He lives to be on my lap and he loves licking my ears.

 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
56. Defects are magnified with continued pure breeding.
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 11:38 AM
Apr 2013

Getting a pure breed dog is stupid. Get a good, healthy dog from the pound and save a life. Stop supporting puppy mills.

Sekhmets Daughter

(7,515 posts)
57. Horse Feathers!
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 11:39 AM
Apr 2013

My pure bred Bull Mastiff had more personality and 'soul' than many people I've known. My pure bred Cocker Spaniel is much the same and is at least as quirky as am I.

It's stuff like his that gives 'science' a bad name!

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
103. AWWW You should meet my Fang...
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 09:00 PM
Apr 2013

He is a 13 yr old "gigantic" Min Pin. He weighs about 22lbs. He is tall and lanky though. He is the second I have owned...My first "Killer" was the typical 10 pounder. I love this breed but they are definitely not for a novice dog owner with their personalities. If you don't know what you are doing they will take over your life!

mainer

(12,022 posts)
59. Good grief, I'm a dog lover and I thought this was hilarious
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 11:44 AM
Apr 2013

Best line of all:

"The purebred dog was ten times more likely than a mutt to exhibit signs of chronic ennui, lackadaisical behavior, and an overall expression of a general lack of any sense of greater purpose or meaning in its life."

This was an April Fool's joke for the ages.

 

olddots

(10,237 posts)
65. Our Golden Retreivers Muffy & Biff have been on Prozac for 7 months now ......
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 12:09 PM
Apr 2013

Biff is doing much better in his socialization classes and Muffy has found pleasure again in shopping and playing tennis with the other "bitches ".

Seriously mutt people have more soul there may be something to the dangers of inbreeding-- look at republicans and racist racial purity types , they always insist on pedigreed dogs & cats .

appleannie1

(5,067 posts)
66. That explains what is wrong with my collie. I got him from a shelter and the only emotion he
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 12:10 PM
Apr 2013

showed was fear. It took weeks for him to even remotely respond to us. We have had him for about 8 years and he still does not know how to play. He is a very good dog but he is just 'there'.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,166 posts)
67. Sig lines, sig lines, sig lines.
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 12:17 PM
Apr 2013

And this:

http://election.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=105x9316

No purebred dogs nor their souls were harmed in the making of this post. Although one unfortunate DUer did have her post hidden. It's all for the best though, gives her more time to listen to her Rush records and watch Nationals baseball.

MineralMan

(146,284 posts)
68. The more dogs mixed into one, the better the dog.
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 12:42 PM
Apr 2013

That's my opinion. Here's Dude, my Bagle - Beagle/Basset Hound/Whatever mix:


 

byeya

(2,842 posts)
73. But there will be! If there's money and tenure in it, and dupes the gullible like me, then we shall
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 01:05 PM
Apr 2013

see it reside along with evolutionary psychology.

patricia92243

(12,595 posts)
76. Horse feathers! My Toy Poodle is smart, affectionate, energetic,etc. I have owned a mutt, and
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 01:14 PM
Apr 2013

though she was a great dog for 16 years - she was no better or no worse than my purebred poodle. And I am not allergic to the poodle!!

DeschutesRiver

(2,354 posts)
79. Not true with the ones I've had; perhaps not all are the same in this regard but
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 01:27 PM
Apr 2013

I know for a fact with respect to my german shorthair pointers that this isn't even remotely true for any of the many I've lived with over the decades, whether they were from a breeder directly or from a shelter or a private owner.

There are screwed up GSPs out there, which I would describe exactly as the study does. But it is the result of either breeders continuing to breed a dog when they shouldn't, or owners who screw up how they handle or train these gsps. I recognize the symptoms and won't even adopt a GSP who is acting like that, because you cannot change it usually.

But all the rest? Wonderful, amazing, funny creative dogs who learn how to read your mind. I've never seen a dog who liked to learn as much as any of my GSPs, and the only problem you could ever have is if you didn't continue to teach them new things. I believed and still do that mine taught me that dogs are capable of far far more than most humans expect of them. And I also believe that if an owner doesn't believe a dog is capable of understanding much, then the dog won't keep putting out the effort to learn much or communicate as much as it could if the owner expected more.

And I'm wagering that this is probably true for other breeds as well. I've been around/known so many dogs of many breeds in my decades that do not fit this mold that this has to be a joke/prank? Yes, there are moronic dull witted individual dogs, just like people that I meet. But all of a certain "type" that is called "purebred"? This makes no sense. I can't go read it because of my dialup, so perhaps there is something I've missed.

All I can conclude is that either the limbic system size isn't as directly related to the depth of emotional response/learning as they believe (which I doubt), or their sample size is too small to be meaningful. Or that the dogs whose limbic systems were measured were owned by owners whose expectations were low and thus the dogs never fully developed the capacity that they were born with. Or that there is a purebred breed bias, just as sometimes I see bias in the other direction. I've had mixed breeds which were also capable of much more depth and ability to learn than some people believe possible; well, that is true for any dog.

I dunno - this is just so different from my repeated experiences that I can't even take it seriously. Reminds me of the human cretins who wanted to exterminate people who are not "purebred" - this nonsense about the alleged capacity of most "purebred" beings vs. "mixed" beings is just creepy, whether one is pretending "facts" to apply it to humans they don't like or now apparently to dog breeds they don't like.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
84. Our family dogs are a mutt and a yellow Lab.
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 01:50 PM
Apr 2013

The mutt is far more intelligent and more skilled at dog skills than the Lab. The bigger Lab is ruled by the mutt and frankly barks at everything for no reason at all. She's just dumber than the mutt although very lovable.

BainsBane

(53,029 posts)
86. mutts are healthier
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 02:14 PM
Apr 2013

and don't have the genetic diseases that come from inbreeding. I have a mix and she's the best dog in the entire world, so that's all the scientific study I need.

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
96. April Fool's or plain baloney. They measured canine "ennui?"
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 08:16 PM
Apr 2013

They deduced, from interviews and autopsies, which dogs had more fulfilling emotional lives and "soul?" This science is not like our Earth science. Which instruments were used to measure a dog's "lack of a sense of greater purpose in its life," I wonder.

Had a wonderful mutt as a kid, but as near as we could tell, his "greater purpose in life" stayed pretty much in the usual digging/chewing/barking arenas.

We have purebreds now, and while their respective philosophies are unclear, they seem to be conquering their "ennui" through a combination of chasing armadillos in the backyard, playing with their toys and demanding equal lap and blanket space with us and and each other on the couch.

Come to think of it though, they do sleep, a LOT. Could be clinical depression.


winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
98. Well, it's comforting to know that if the Republican party does disappear,
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 08:20 PM
Apr 2013

I'll still be able to buy soulless animals.

izzybeans

(7,180 posts)
99. "Where is Busy Bee? You forgot Busy Bee!"
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 08:21 PM
Apr 2013

It could be the staggering difference in their socialization...a reflection of the owner.

Arcanetrance

(2,670 posts)
100. Sorry no dice if these results could be reproduced and proven outside this study I may give it
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 08:24 PM
Apr 2013

More thought. But essentially all I see on this site when it comes to dogs and certain other animals is a startling dislike of our animal brethren.

drm604

(16,230 posts)
102. Link doesn't work, and I suspect an April fools joke.
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 08:35 PM
Apr 2013

Although I will say that my childhood dog was an intelligent lovable mutt and the vet used to say that he was one of those dogs that did everything short of talking.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,166 posts)
106. Yup, THAT Dr. Danny Myshrall
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 10:42 AM
Apr 2013


Seen here in the process of conducting his research.

Either that, or trying to breastfeed it. One of the two.
 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
107. What hogwash.
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 10:48 AM
Apr 2013

We have Pomeranians. Several, in fact. Purebreds.

These tiny furballs, each of them, has more "soul" than many people I've encountered. They are all unique, and each has its own distinct personality, individual and different from any of the others. They care for each other, and for us, and they have numerous ways that they show it.

This "study" is hogwash.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,166 posts)
108. It was indeed hogwash.
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 10:49 AM
Apr 2013

As in April Fools hogwash.

The "article" was written by the former bass guitarist for The Smashing Pumpkins. And the "study" was conducted by a white, mayonnaise loving Canadian rapper with low music video production values.

 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
109. Hook line and sinker lol.
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 11:11 AM
Apr 2013

I fell for it lol.

I was just chilling with the little ones, having our typical "good morning girls" time, and read the excerpts, didn't read the thread, and it hooked me lol.

 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
111. Life would not be the same without them.
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 11:55 AM
Apr 2013


Baby Taffy. Shes all grown up now, and just as beautiful.


But this is the one that personally claimed me (size 11 shoe for scale lol):






That's Foxy, and she is my constant companion, where ever I go, and whatever I'm doing, around the farm here. She knows when I'm having a bad day, and gives extra loving at those times. She knows when I have some cheese even if I stash it in a paper towl and pocket it lol. She is as much of a person, as any dog I have ever encountered. I have pictures of the others somewhere but I can't find them. Its early and I haven't had my caffeine yet lol. We have 7 pommies which we share our life with (and our bed, the little bedhogs...you wouldn't think a 2 pound furball could be such a bedhog, but anyway...) an American Eskimo dog we rescued from the wilderness, and a jack russel someone dumped that we took in.

People that dump dogs make me We do dog and cat rescues, which leads to an overfull house at times, but its worth it.

Someday, we want to add one of these to the family (on the right):



The one on the left is a full size husky. On the right (no, its not a baby lol), is an Alaskan klee kai.

We really dig the Icelandic dogs and the pack environment.

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