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Capt. Obvious

(9,002 posts)
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 08:51 AM Apr 2013

Ashley Judd Adviser: Small Group Of Dems ‘Duped’ Media And Shoved Her Out Of Race

An adviser to Ashley Judd said that the decision by the actress to pass on a challenge to Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) next year was the result of a calculated effort by a small group of Democrats to stifle her electoral prospects.

In a story published Monday in The Daily Beast, Jonathan Miller wrote that the "most egregious disinformation" about Judd and her would-be candidacy "came from entirely anonymous sources" and helped create an unfavorable narrative. Before she announced last week that she will not run in 2014, reports suggested that Judd told a group of supporters at a private dinner, “I have been raped twice, so I think I can handle Mitch McConnell.” Miller, who attended that dinner, said he "never heard her say anything remotely like that."

He also highlighted the recent suggestions that former President Bill Clinton had lobbied against a Judd candidacy in the hopes of getting Kentucky's Secretary of State Alison Lundergan Grimes to run instead. Follow up reports later confirmed that Clinton had no problem with a Judd bid, but Miller said the damage had already been done — and now McConnell may be the ultimate beneficiary of the conniving efforts by Democrats.

"But pity Alison Lundergan Grimes, the primary beneficiary of the anti-Ashley putsch. Like most Judd supporters, I hope Grimes runs, defeats McConnell and enjoys a long and successful career in Washington," Miller wrote. "But there are two other equally plausible—if not more probable—scenarios: One, Grimes gets drubbed by McConnell, whose ruthless, take-no-prisoners campaigns have ended the political careers of four of his last five opponents. Or two, Grimes opts out of the race for another campaign, leaving McConnell with no serious opponent."

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/ashley-judd-adviser-small-group-of-dems-duped?ref=fpa
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Ashley Judd Adviser: Small Group Of Dems ‘Duped’ Media And Shoved Her Out Of Race (Original Post) Capt. Obvious Apr 2013 OP
In other words TPTB decided Judd wasn't a good enough ass-kisser for them to control. hobbit709 Apr 2013 #1
+1 n/t ProfessionalLeftist Apr 2013 #7
also known as PatrynXX Apr 2013 #13
Exactly... ReRe Apr 2013 #19
That's OK. She can stay in Tennessee and maybe we Fawke Em Apr 2013 #2
Really? wysimdnwyg Apr 2013 #8
The mayors of all four biggest cities are Democrats. Fawke Em Apr 2013 #48
we laugh at how the republican do their back room stuff while we do the same dembotoz Apr 2013 #3
This reminds me of Paul Hackett Capt. Obvious Apr 2013 #4
Thanks for reminding me about Paul! kurtzapril4 Apr 2013 #25
Sherrod Brown is ten times the progressive Senator geek tragedy Apr 2013 #31
Good! I still don't like how the whole deed was done. kurtzapril4 Apr 2013 #36
And this is how we got where we are. UnrepentantLiberal Apr 2013 #5
+1 HiPointDem Apr 2013 #6
Another 3rd-way victory. AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #9
They don't like liberals, that's for sure. The liberal wing of the party needs sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #11
Liberals in KY need to... ReRe Apr 2013 #21
Sounds like the Kentucky Democratic Party is being run by...... Fuddnik Apr 2013 #10
Sounds like Virginia, too... Blue_Tires Apr 2013 #15
Corectamundo n/t ReRe Apr 2013 #22
Once AGAIN the democrats shooting themselves in the foot bigdarryl Apr 2013 #12
First off.... BrainDrain Apr 2013 #14
The only constructive... ReRe Apr 2013 #26
April Fools joke? Tender to the Bone Apr 2013 #16
This kind of whining tends to prove the wisdom of forcing her out. geek tragedy Apr 2013 #17
I don't really see any "force" hfojvt Apr 2013 #18
Agree 100%. If this report is true, then it is good that she dropped out before anyone spent DeschutesRiver Apr 2013 #20
No one will take the position from McConnell... ReRe Apr 2013 #33
Lol, well, of course you are right. Liberals make bad members of Congress because sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #27
Whining is whining. If she didn't want the job badly enough geek tragedy Apr 2013 #28
Whining is a right wing word that is part of the propaganda for Liberals prepared sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #29
Republicans whine more than anyone. geek tragedy Apr 2013 #30
That is why I don't believe this story. I think Ashley Judd is stronger than that. stevenleser Apr 2013 #46
This guy is not doing her any favors. geek tragedy Apr 2013 #47
hey Bill, fuck you. Whisp Apr 2013 #23
actually the advisor claims that clinton wanted her to run dsc Apr 2013 #38
What a mouth!!!! Beacool Apr 2013 #42
I agree. Moses2SandyKoufax Apr 2013 #50
I knew the Clintons wanted Grimes I think they made a big mistake... Tippy Apr 2013 #24
except according to the article, including what was quoted, that clinton wanted judd dsc Apr 2013 #39
They are as predictable as the RW kooks. Beacool Apr 2013 #45
This saddens me to no end. Baitball Blogger Apr 2013 #32
Where was Hillary? DonCoquixote Apr 2013 #34
except that according the article here the clinton story was a big fat lie dsc Apr 2013 #40
Well, take some some Tums for those cramps. Beacool Apr 2013 #44
Not DonCoquixote Apr 2013 #49
Bring the party down? Beacool Apr 2013 #51
and if it was not for the Clintons moving the party rightward DonCoquixote Apr 2013 #52
Do as you please. Beacool Apr 2013 #56
She should start now ProSense Apr 2013 #35
Yeah, in a primary challenge n/t Fumesucker Apr 2013 #37
If this is true, it's terrific news Bryan Apr 2013 #41
dubiously qualifed DonCoquixote Apr 2013 #53
the judds are famous for their blunt honesty, that would never do in congress spanone Apr 2013 #43
More proof that her "candidacy" was an awful idea to begin with BeyondGeography Apr 2013 #54
I don't know if there's any truth to what he is saying or not A Little Weird Apr 2013 #55
This doesn't surprise me one bit. forestpath Apr 2013 #57

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
13. also known as
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 11:12 AM
Apr 2013

if the Dems were seriously taking the war on women. they wouldn't have touched this. This is the old Dems here. The new Republicans usually mess things up for Republicans but the old Democrats do the same thing. I suggest she run as an Independent just to see what the f*ck happens.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
19. Exactly...
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 11:39 AM
Apr 2013

The "Democratic Party" in KY should be called the "DINO Party," because that's exactly what it is.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
2. That's OK. She can stay in Tennessee and maybe we
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 08:58 AM
Apr 2013

can run her against Lamar Alexander. While both are very wealthy, I suspect Judd's hometown appeal is more on par with the average Tennessean than Alexander's ritzy ways.

wysimdnwyg

(2,230 posts)
8. Really?
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 10:52 AM
Apr 2013

"I suspect Judd's hometown appeal is more on par with the average Tennessean than Alexander's ritzy ways."

Alexander has a long history of playing the role of the common man. (Look back to his runs for governor, with the truck and plaid shirt.) The GOP would have a field day making Judd out to be part of the "Hollywood Liberal elite", while exploiting the idea that Alexander is the same, down home guy he was 30 years ago.

Let's be realistic here. While I'd love to have Judd represent Tennessee, there are very few areas outside of Nashville and Memphis in which she would even come close to winning. (And frankly, I'm not too sure about Memphis.)

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
48. The mayors of all four biggest cities are Democrats.
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 12:41 AM
Apr 2013

So...

there.

On Edit: You do realize that Knoxville's mayor got her start under César Chávez's United Farm Workers, don't you? Or maybe you don't.

dembotoz

(16,785 posts)
3. we laugh at how the republican do their back room stuff while we do the same
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 09:02 AM
Apr 2013

turtle man does not need any help but we insist on helping him anyway

kurtzapril4

(1,353 posts)
25. Thanks for reminding me about Paul!
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 11:48 AM
Apr 2013

What a fabulous candidate he would have been. That whole debacle was the one that really cemented, in my mind, that the Democratic party was not to be trusted.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
31. Sherrod Brown is ten times the progressive Senator
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 12:21 PM
Apr 2013

that Hackett would have been. And he's done so while kicking the crap out of Republicans.

kurtzapril4

(1,353 posts)
36. Good! I still don't like how the whole deed was done.
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 07:00 PM
Apr 2013

Very disrespectful and dirty politick-y. And it made me not trust the Democratic leadership.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
11. They don't like liberals, that's for sure. The liberal wing of the party needs
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 11:04 AM
Apr 2013

to stop funding the Third Way and put their money behind the candidates they choose. No donations to the Third Way anymore.

Fuddnik

(8,846 posts)
10. Sounds like the Kentucky Democratic Party is being run by......
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 11:04 AM
Apr 2013

The Florida Democratic Party.


Don't support Liberals or Progressives. If you can't find a DINO, New Dem, or Third Way candidate, recruit a Republican to run as a Dem, and throw the better Dem overboard.

 

bigdarryl

(13,190 posts)
12. Once AGAIN the democrats shooting themselves in the foot
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 11:07 AM
Apr 2013

McConnell is going to be reelected as a result of this foolish move this Alison Grimes has NO chance of defeating TURTLE FACE

 

BrainDrain

(244 posts)
14. First off....
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 11:13 AM
Apr 2013

Does anyone doubt the validity of this story? (I don't)

Does anyone have any good constructive ideas of how to get her back into the race?

Does anyone have any good ideas on how we stop this from happening in other states in other forms against other really good candidates?

If we want this to be the PEOPLES DEMOCRATIC party we have to make it over in the image it was intended to be the first place and kick these money grubbing, influence mongers to the curb.

If you want good progressive candidates you have to get rid of the interests that deem them and us a threat.


As i have said before...Let the revolution....begin.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
26. The only constructive...
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 11:56 AM
Apr 2013

...thing I can suggest is that she run as an Independent, in Kentucky (not in TN.) But I don't expect her to. We may just have to write KY off. There are just some states that are so "Good-Ole-Boy"-entrenched, that they will never change, you know... revolution-proof.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
17. This kind of whining tends to prove the wisdom of forcing her out.
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 11:19 AM
Apr 2013

If she's not up to taking on a few meanies inside the Democratic party, she's not up to taking on McConnell and the rightwing noise machine.

There's no crying in baseball, and there's no whining in winning politics.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
18. I don't really see any "force"
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 11:37 AM
Apr 2013

but yeah, I was thinking the same thing. If you can't handle them, how can you handle the Republicans?

Plus, I am not a huge fan of celebrity candidates, even if the rich and famous are supposedly liberals and have college degrees.

DeschutesRiver

(2,354 posts)
20. Agree 100%. If this report is true, then it is good that she dropped out before anyone spent
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 11:42 AM
Apr 2013

a dime of their hard earned money donating it to someone this light weight. If all it took is the suggestion of a false rumor to "force" her out, then she was not up to the task at hand.

I see a lot of potential candidates who are far less able to actually run for office and be able to do what it takes to hold office than their supporters believe they are. What I read isn't even something remotely troubling, more less a thing that would cause a serious candidate to drop out of a race. Bizarre.

Hopefully now someone will surface who is capable of taking this position away from McConnell.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
33. No one will take the position from McConnell...
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 12:30 PM
Apr 2013

... because there is no one who can do it. KY is more or less a one-party state. And yes, if Ashley finds the heat in the kitchen too hot to handle, then she needs to get out. It wouldn't surprise me if the KY DLCers were the ones that started the rumor that she was going to run in the first place. KY is a lost cause, because big coal owns it. Period.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
27. Lol, well, of course you are right. Liberals make bad members of Congress because
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 11:58 AM
Apr 2013

they 'whine' too much! Where have I heard that before?

I long for the day when we no longer see right wing framing here on DU directed against Democrats.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
28. Whining is whining. If she didn't want the job badly enough
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 12:03 PM
Apr 2013

to overcome a few meanies inside the Democratic party, she didn't want the job enough, period.

Primaries are tough business. Dilettantes and people with only a passing interest need not apply.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
29. Whining is a right wing word that is part of the propaganda for Liberals prepared
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 12:16 PM
Apr 2013

for liberals by Limbaugh and the other Right Wing propagandists' handlers and everyone knows it.

She has every right to change her mind and you have no clue why she did so.

But she's a Liberal so the word 'whining' comes immediately to mind, right?

Do you KNOW anything her reasons for not running? Has she spoken about it herself?

I've never seen that woman 'whining', quite the opposite considering the background she and her family had. They are vert tough women, who have overcome in credible adversaries to get to where they are today. They are NOT whiners by any means.

I think she should run for Congress first and it's possible she got advice to do that.


 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
30. Republicans whine more than anyone.
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 12:19 PM
Apr 2013

John McCain is an all-time champion whiner. So are Sarah Palin, John Boehner, etc.

Nobody likes whiners. Nobody.

Judd was not 'forced out.' She thought it was too tough/not worth it and opted out.

If she had said nothing, there wouldn't be this reaction. But, when she starts complaining about having withdrawn because (oh the horror) there was politics involved in the primary process, that's whining.

She decided against a run because she was faced with "an uncomfortable narrative?" Oh my, poor thing.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
46. That is why I don't believe this story. I think Ashley Judd is stronger than that.
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 12:31 AM
Apr 2013

Either way, there are two possibilities:

1. She decided not to run for other reasons

2. The story is true and she shouldn't be a political candidate. Statewide races are rough and the nomination process is about 1/5th as nasty as a general election race against an incumbent Republican would have been.

Anyone who is registered as a Democrat can run as a Democrat if they meet the basic eligibility requirements. No one could have forced her not to run.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
47. This guy is not doing her any favors.
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 12:33 AM
Apr 2013

Grudges are much more easily set aside when kept out of the media.

Beacool

(30,247 posts)
42. What a mouth!!!!
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 12:24 AM
Apr 2013

Considering that Bill had no problem with Judd running for office, that's quite uncalled for.

Moses2SandyKoufax

(1,290 posts)
50. I agree.
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 01:14 AM
Apr 2013

Mr. 43% needs to go away. In '92, he only reached >50% in one state(+D.C)! Amazing how many people believe him to be a political wiz.

The guy couldn't even earn the majority of the popular vote running against Bob Dole!

dsc

(52,152 posts)
39. except according to the article, including what was quoted, that clinton wanted judd
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 07:33 PM
Apr 2013

but for some here the evil all powerful clenis is at fault no matter what.

Beacool

(30,247 posts)
45. They are as predictable as the RW kooks.
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 12:28 AM
Apr 2013

The CDS runs rampant at both ends of the political spectrum.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
34. Where was Hillary?
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 03:36 PM
Apr 2013

Nowehere, but we know where her husband was :

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/bill-clinton-favors-alison-lundergan-grimes-ashley-judd-senate-race-report-article-1.1293761
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/03/kentucky-senate-2014-alison-lundergan-grimes-ashley-judd-89091.html

And some people wonder why the porspect of putting the Clintons back in power gives some of us here on DU a bad case of Deja Vu, not to mention stomach cramps.

The clintons are not, nor ever will be, liberal. They may be better than the GOP, but even that gets old after a while.

dsc

(52,152 posts)
40. except that according the article here the clinton story was a big fat lie
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 07:34 PM
Apr 2013

but of course the all powerful evil clenis.

Beacool

(30,247 posts)
44. Well, take some some Tums for those cramps.
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 12:26 AM
Apr 2013

The Clintons will remain the most powerful couple in the party, whether some of you like it or not.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
49. Not
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 01:00 AM
Apr 2013

Becuase sooner or later, people will realize that for all of the offerings they put at the altar of FDR, they are the reason that this party has become something FDR would be ashamed to be with.

And when they bring the party down with them, they can talk about how great they were, as the same GOP they loved to be firends with pave their graves over...sadly, ours as well.

Beacool

(30,247 posts)
51. Bring the party down?
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 01:19 AM
Apr 2013

If it hadn't been for Clinton, there wouldn't have been a Democrat in office in 1992.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
52. and if it was not for the Clintons moving the party rightward
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 02:40 AM
Apr 2013

we would not have the lack of choice we have. Really, you think Hillary would have giverned to the left? The reason Obama and Hillary work so well together is that they are twins, right down the line from Israel, to appeasement of GOP, to the belief that LBJ's social programs needed "reform". They both dislike the left, and think that they if only they sing the right tune, that the people across the aisle can come together as Americans for the commong good..

Except they cannot; what we have today is a bunch of neo confederates, who are trying to get their libertarian paradise by whittleing it down, as opposed to outright war like they tried to in 1860.

Now, as I said, if she wins the primary, I will indeed push the D button; I am not foolish enough to want to see a repeat of 2000, with a bunch of good ole boy bastards brag about how they got "those stupid liberals" to vote for Nader. But just as the Hillary types made sure to turn things rightward before day one,so will those of us who actually care about the poor and middle class make it clear to Hillary, the trick you pulled in the 90's, the one that Obama imitated,will nto work, we will want to see results, and if you even think of using the word enititlment, we will make sure you regret it.

Beacool

(30,247 posts)
56. Do as you please.
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 10:43 AM
Apr 2013

I think that Hillary, and Bill too, are pragmatists. They were idealists in the 60s and found out the hard way in AR that to be able to govern one must be also able to compromise. The problem is realizing how much one can compromise with one's opponent before jeopardizing one's principles.

I've admired Hillary since she became first lady. In my then young life I had never seen any first lady like her. I liked her even more when I got to observe her closer up when they moved to NY and she ran for the Senate. In my opinion, not only is she smarter than most people in any room, she's also a very human person. She has a very endearing way about her. It comes as no surprise that staffers were always so loyal to her (far more than Bill's staffers were to him). I think that she would be a terrific president. Maybe not as liberal as some of you may want her to be, but she does care deeply for people and she works very hard.

Bryan

(1,837 posts)
41. If this is true, it's terrific news
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 07:37 PM
Apr 2013

Dubiously qualified celebrities swanning into Congressional races in states they don't even live in is not a trend that deserves encouragement.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
53. dubiously qualifed
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 02:43 AM
Apr 2013

The woman's work in innternational circles is better than her opponent, whose main qualification was "I have a rich daddy."

BeyondGeography

(39,346 posts)
54. More proof that her "candidacy" was an awful idea to begin with
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 08:01 AM
Apr 2013

She couldn't handle "anononymous sources" but she could beat McConnell...

A Little Weird

(1,754 posts)
55. I don't know if there's any truth to what he is saying or not
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 08:27 AM
Apr 2013

But I don't consider Jonathan Miller an especially trustworthy source. He seems to be the kind of guy that will say anything to get his name in the papers.

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