The white supremacist groups

[Are_grits_groceries]

are going to have hell on their tails if there is ANY link to the shootings in Texas and Colorado.There will be crackdowns in prisons on them and they will be hunted to the ends of the Earth.

The SPLC has warned about them for years and dismissed by many as an alarmist liberal group. Now people will see why they were warning about them.

I had wondered why a con just out of prison picked out that particular man to shoot. It would seem to be more likely that he would hit someone with a more personal connection to him. He may have been given that person as a target when he left prison.

This may be some tendrils of "RaHoWa" - Racial holy war.

[malaise]

1. Here's the thing - hang out with dogs and yuh catch fleas

All the ReTHUG politicians, Scumbaugh, RW radio and their NRA friends have been promoting these lunatics and the Obama hate fest. Now it appears that it has turned on law enforcement at its highest level.

Remember even some of these law enforcement big wigs are part of the hate fest.

Yes lots of people on both sides must be very worried.

[Are_grits_groceries]

3. You best not jerk the tail of that tiger

unless you are more than ready to finish the fight. The authorities are not going to sit and worry about being shot. They will go after them and make them run.
Lawd knows what government ops groups will be lurking around.

[malaise]

5. Yep - look out for RICO and the Feds because many are involved in a variety of rackets

[Are_grits_groceries]

7. Some of them better hope they live to see RICO charges.

That will be hammered on those with any link who provides any type of assistance.

[malaise]

15. For real n/t

[madokie]

2. Theres wooded areas around here where you couldn't get me to go to for love or money

weird dudes with weird ideas roaming around with all kinds or armor, guns and the like, like they are somebody beside what they truly are and thats NUTS

[malaise]

4. They are living their TV fantasies like ten year olds

and that alone is frightening- lost and sick

[madokie]

9. Used to work with a father/son duo

they have an in the ground concrete bunker that they've got stocked to the brim. Funny thing is a while back the son joined the Marines and lasted about 2 months. Won't talk about what happened, why he was discharged. My bet is when he found out Marines are real men he cut and ran doing whatever it took to get out.
Anyways these people worry me. How many Tim McVeigh's are there out there.

[malaise]

10. More than we can count

but they hae been allowed to thrive to suit the agenda of some vested interested.
Now all the contradictions are being played out and this won't be pretty.

[madokie]

11. So right you are

[malaise]

12. CNN is giving these Texas assassinations lots of coverage n/t

[madokie]

16. I'm happy they are

Its about time they do.
These right wing extremist are a cancer on our society and needs to be brought to an end.
I'm assuming they are responsible here and that in itself is a slippery slope I'm on.

[southernyankeebelle]

26. Maybe he was a drug abuser.

[Horse with no Name]

41. I live in the same type of area

I am betting it wasn't drug abuse but instead...having to share quarters with those that aren't white.

[southernyankeebelle]

43. Oh, interesting point.

[Are_grits_groceries]

6. They will get a rude awakening.

Even the hard core groups who have more preparation will not want to face the firepower aimed at them. All bets are off.

[Heidi]

20. And it's been that way for as long as I can remember.

From what I heard when I was home for a visit a year ago, the xenophobia has gotten even worse with the dangerous combination of paranoia, patriotism, religion and firearms.

[southernyankeebelle]

27. Gee I wonder who that reminds you of?

[Heidi]

49. It doesn't remind me of anyone in particular.

I grew up in Oklahoma in the 60s and 70s, and like madokie says, there are places you know not to venture near. My understanding is that it's gotten even worse. I forgot to mention meth production as a more recent part of the danger equation, though -- at least in the rural areas around where I grew up.

[Art_from_Ark]

55. The Cookson Hills have been pretty notorious as a hideout for outlaws

since at least the days of Judge Isaac Parker.

[Heidi]

57. Boy that's the truth.

Good place to hide out, or get "disappeared" to.

[southernyankeebelle]

58. Well Heidi the sad thing is in many rural areas of the country meth has moved in and destroying

families. Even in my little rural town.

[Heidi]

59. Don't I know it.

I have a friend in the US who's addicted to that crap. It is very nearly destroyed her and will if she goes back to it.

Good morning, southernyankeebelle!

[southernyankeebelle]

60. Morning Heidi, what time is it there? It's 9:03 a.m. in the morning here in sunny Tennessee.

It is alittle cool still. Can't wait for the warm weather. Hopefully we can plant some veggies. I am always ready to plant. However, by the time we are ready to plant my husband and I can't get on the ground. LOL. We always have good intentions. You looking forward to the warm weather?

[Heidi]

61. It's 4:19 p.m. and sunny!

I loathe winter, so I'm very, very, very happy to have a sunny, 60ish day.

[Horse with no Name]

33. You ain't lying

I live in the piney woods of Texas.

And...all that THAT implies.

[freshwest]

45. I've seen them in the national forests - you come to see nature, they are hanging out with their

weapons and they start glaring at anyone who wants to hike and sightsee, as if they don't belong there. People have stopped going to see the beauty of nature for this reason.

There has been little money for maintaining roads or providing park rangers. The beautiful forests have become dumping grounds for furniture and junked cars. And then these guys are hanging around like they are auditioning for a remake of the film Deliverance.

I'm guessing they are the same one who make youtube videos about living off the land and talking about doing a survival thing on internet chat boards - and holding off the law.

[UnrepentantLiberal]

8. This may have been planned by a Charlie Manson like neo-Nazi

who knows he will spend the rest of his life in prison and has nothing to lose by doing this. I'll applaud if the feds take them out.

[bonniebgood]

13. What White Supremacist Groups? They

believe they are the modern day Militia spoken about in the constitution.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

17. The Freepers are certain they are Mexican drug cartels.

Last edited Mon Apr 1, 2013, 12:03 PM - Edit history (1)

(It has proven necessary to point out (to at least three individuals) that this excerpt is quoted from another board to show how idiotic the hard right wing is on this issue (and many others). Hence when I first posted it here I used the DU excerpt tags to show by the grayed out area that it is an excerpt from elsewhere.)

Texas district attorney, wife found dead at home, 2 months after assistant prosecutor killed

Mexican Cartels armed with Obamaguns via Fast+Furious.

Ironic that the biggest gun smuggler (Obama) is “calling for” citizens to surrender their guns.

He makes proclamations between smuggling guns to Drug Cartels and to his fellow Moslem Brotherhood terrorists.

Typical lying moslem.

8 posted on Sunday, March 31, 2013 12:01:57 PM by LyinLibs (If victims of islam were more "islamophobic," maybe they'd still be alive.)

(on edit: clarified that this is indeed an excerpt from elsewhere.)

[naaman fletcher]

23. FYI you were alerted on

At Mon Apr 1, 2013, 06:58 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

The Freepers are certain they are Mexican drug cartels.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2597213

REASON FOR ALERT:

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ALERTER'S COMMENTS:

bigoted hate speech
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Apr 1, 2013, 07:04 AM, and the Jury voted 2-4 to LEAVE IT.

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Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: I believe the poster was quoting a freeper, and put it on quotes to show what they are thinking about this at the moment.

Alerter, please check context a bit better, or if not, message the poster to clarify their post. No need to hide.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: I don't think the OP meant for this to sound like it was coming from him/her. Looks like a quote from Freeperville. Should be modified for clarification - not deleted.
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[Bernardo de La Paz]

24. Thanks. I guess I will have to be explicit in future; DU excerpt tags & gray not enough. nt

[BainsBane]

31. You seemed pretty explicit to me

Who knows. Some people don't read.

[siligut]

35. The Posse Comitatus?

Eerie and scary.

[Ian_rd]

14. But don't call them terrorists!

Imagine if these recent incidents over the past few years were perpetrated by Muslim extremists. The media would be on it 24/7, saying the war on terrorism had come home. Fox News would split into two channels, one devoted to the war at home.

Fox News, I get. But why does this shit not get covered by the general media, and called what it is? Terrorism.

[kitt6]

18. Look up in the sky!

It's a bird; it's a plane, "it's a Drone. Run coward, run.

[dembotoz]

19. what i do fear is that as these folks are rightly captured the 2nd amendment freaks will decide that

the war is on

I live in a red area and it is bad enough already

[Bucky]

21. Honestly, if the gun freaks turn on the white supremecists, I won't shed many tears.

Those aryan shitbags may have picked a fight with the wrong fanatics. I know a small few DUers, out of ignorance, will want to conflate these two groups. But they're miles apart. The skinheads run on meth and racial cooperation fantasies. The 2nd Amendment nuts loathe all drugs except beer and oxycontin, have the decency to deny their prejudices (most of the time), and think any kind of social cooperation is a form of communism. Also, you don't see the gun nuts murdering Republican DAs.

On futher reflection, unfortunately, it seems that getting the gun polishers to go around shooting the Aryan Brotherhood is pretty near impossible. They prefer to shoot their mouths off. But it was a nice fantasy while it lasted.

[dembotoz]

22. the enemy of my enemy is my friend--i see more overlap than you

I hope you are right

[malaise]

25. Good coverage on Martin Bashir

the filibustering Senators aren't looking so good now - now it's law enforcement versus ReTHUGs

[Manifestor_of_Light]

28. SPLC can't keep up with all of them.

From what I can see in East Texas, the gun nuts and the white supremacists are the SAME.

And the SPLC can't keep up with all the backwoods paranoid guys with many guns.

Judges and D.A.s have carried guns for decades. I know. I used to work at the courthouse in Harris County and all the criminal judges packed heat. And probably a lot of civil judges as well. They get death threats daily.

Don't know if Beldar's Crazy Son in Tucson meant to plug a Federal Judge, but he did.

I lived in San Antonio when Federal Judge John Wood was plugged one fine morning in Alamo Heights while getting in his car to go to work.

[Cleita]

29. I think a lot of the gun culture has more connection to those groups than you might

think. I hope the sunlight exposes more and more of them and for what they are.

[Horse with no Name]

48. In the area that I live in

all they talk about is that ammo is hard to come by.

[backscatter712]

30. The Colorado murder was definitively linked to a white-supremacist prison gang called the 211s.

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_22858380/clements-murder-colorado-prison-shuffle-jarred-gang

The apparent motive for the Colorado shooting is that the 211s were upset because a bunch of them got shuffled to different prisons, in an effort to break up that gang.

And my Google-fu says that the Aryan Brotherhood is also being investigated for the Texas DA shooting.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/04/01/aryan-brotherhood-texas-slayings/2042285/

Anyone remotely connected to white supremacists in the Colorado prison system had better get used to eating nutraloaf for breakfast, lunch and dinner for months at a time. And I'll bet the shot-callers are gonna get supermaxed.

[darkangel218]

32. I have aleays wondered WHY is it legal for such groups to exist??

They should be banned all together.

[Cleita]

34. They basically are just gang bangers, however, because they aren't

brown but white, they seem to get a pass.

[siligut]

37. Friends in high places

Not all white supremacists are rural, beer-drinking gun-nuts.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

39. In this case were talking about prison gangs.

Their activities are illegal, which is why in Texas last year four of their generals and some thirty other members were arrested for their crimes. Which is speculated to be, perhaps, in part what's behind the assistant DA and the DA's murders in Kaufman County. Kaufman county was one of several counties in Texas involved in prosecuting their crimes.

The Aryan Brotherhood Texas is a small group who've earned themselves the nefarious distinction of being the most dangerous hate group in the country. They've supposedly committed more murders, hate crimes & drug crimes since 2000 than any other gang of their type. Since a lot of their crimes are committed in prison, they're never reported by the media. Which means it takes events such as their possible connection to the prosecutors in Kaufman Co. to get people to notice they even exist.

[1KansasDem]

36. Seems to me, a least some poster's are confusing

skinhead, white supremacist, prison gangs with militia's and doomsdayers.
They may all be right wingers but they are VERY different.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

40. In the Texas cases it's a white supremacist prison gang the media is talking about

The ABT to be precise.

Their claim to fame is hate crimes, murder, torture and trafficking drugs, mostly meth. They have their fingers in more than one criminal pie. They're sort of like the KKK mixed in with a radical prison gang that's expanding to the streets. Which may be where part of the confusion is coming from.

[1KansasDem]

44. Exactly

Up thread there are posts about people running around in the woods.
The people involved here are most likely a hard core prison gang with lots of contacts on the outside.
Not a Randy Weaver or Tim McVey type at all.

[Hoyt]

52. They are both bad.

[One_Life_To_Give]

63. But only one is expected to Murder for initiation

Drugs, prostitution and 20% of murders within the US prison system. Thats what the AB's 20,000 members are tied into.

[siligut]

38. From the NY Times

One of several angles investigators have been exploring is whether Mr. Hasse’s killing involved members of the Aryan Brotherhood of Texas prison gang. Prosecutors in Mr. McLelland’s office had assisted in investigations of the gang, including a recent case that had dealt a major blow to the group’s leadership.

In that case, federal authorities announced in November that a grand jury in Houston had indicted more than 30 senior leaders and other members of the whites-only gang on charges of conspiring to participate in a racketeering enterprise. Federal officials said the defendants were also charged with involvement in three murders, multiple attempted murders, kidnappings and assaults and conspiracy to distribute methamphetamine and cocaine.

The indictments stemmed from an investigation led by a multiagency task force that included Kaufman County prosecutors and three other district attorneys offices. In December, the Texas Department of Public Safety issued a statewide bulletin warning officials that the Aryan Brotherhood was planning retaliation against law enforcement personnel who had helped secure the indictments.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/01/us/second-prosecutor-shot-to-death-in-texas-county.html?pagewanted=2&_r=0

The article is about Mike McLelland's murder, but linked it with Hasse's.

[malaise]

42. The brotherhood are now up Shite creek without a paddle

This will be something to watch

[Horse with no Name]

46. I personally wish I didn't have a front row seat

[kelliekat44]

47. Seems wise to not let any of them out of jail Law enforcement should know they are not their friends

and there are many of them hidden within the military and law enforcement ranks. Time to clean house!

[JI7]

50. on CNN they said how this specific Texas Group was rejected by the larger White Supremecist Group

how fucking horrible must they be to have been rejected by the greater organization .

[Lint Head]

51. The Aryan Brotherhood web sites are buzzing but they have a motto that nothing is ever said

openly in public. I think law enforcement will have to infiltrate.

[Hoyt]

53. There are people right here on DU that think infiltrating these hate groups is unconstitutional.

There are some callous people out there.

[Are_grits_groceries]

54. I'll bet they have already infiltrated them.

If they haven't, then they are beyond stupid.

[Are_grits_groceries]

56. There are a lot of RW groups with various missions.

Some of them overlap. Some of them are survivalists and militias. They may be connected by philosophy but real connections are another thing.

The ABT and groups like that are the worst of the worst. They have their primary focus in prisons but they do have outside reach and supporters. These people are the real deal when it comes to violence.

Other groups probably have ties to them, but they are likely to be the ones who are just as nasty. They aren't going to waste their time with militias and whatever.

It's somewhat surprising that they are doing this. They have to know that a shitstorm the likes of which have not been seen before will rain on their heads. Their prison lives will be seriously disrupted and they will be scrutinized at the molecular level. This will also happen to anybody with any possible ties to them.

They are in Texas. This state is not known for coddling prisoners. They are also not known for being extremely scrupulous in hunting those who commit crimes. The authorities will use everything they can to find them. All bets are off.

[One_Life_To_Give]

62. AB is a Gang

We are seeing Gang behavior much like the Zeta's and other Drug Gangs across the border. They are also White Supremacists but I don't see any indication that a broader race war than the current war with BGF. That would get in the way of profits. They probably worship green a whole lot more than race.