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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI will NEVER FORGIVE THOSE FUCKING ASSHOLES WHO REFUSED TO VOTE FOR HILLARY IN 2016
Rorey
(8,445 posts)My circle got a lot smaller then, and I don't regret it.
still_one
(91,937 posts)a hero
Rorey
(8,445 posts)BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)Moscow Mitch can go to fucking hell. FUCKING HELL!!!
Demsrule86
(68,347 posts)I really liked her but damn I wish she had retired. She was a great lady.
Absolutely loved her, but.....
moondust
(19,917 posts)She planned to retire in 2016 so Obama could appoint a replacement. She didn't know Moscow Mitch had an evil trick up his sleeve.
Scalia died in February 2016 and Moscow Mitch killed the process with his (unconstitutional?) "election year" appointment bullshit. After that she knew he wouldn't let Obama appoint anyone else and she would have to try to make it through another 4 years.
Too bad.
The cynic in me wants an impartial/nonpartisan autopsy to make sure there was no foul play. Same for Scalia.
zaj
(3,433 posts)This was avoidable.
she was about 82. Some people might call that "borderline" acceptable. Biden is now almost 78; if he serves one term he will be 82 when he leaves. She may have felt that as long as she was still able to go to work and do her job then she could hold out for another few months. And then suddenly and without warning it was too late.
I, too, have often wished that she had retired earlier.
AdamGG
(1,275 posts)I respect and admire everything about RBG, but felt forboding when she didn't let Obama make the replacement.
There's no way that 48 Dems in the Senate can stop the rushed circus confirmation that's coming and even if Biden got to replace Clarence Thomas that would only get us back to the 5-4 conservative majority that we've been hoping to get out from under for decades.
Citizens United, election reform - all the meaningful systemic change that could happen is now delayed for another generation.
moondust
(19,917 posts)if Democrats end up controlling all three branches they could potentially expand the size of the court and then fill the new seats to shift the balance back toward democracy, freedom, equality, and sanity. I don't know how realistic that is.
AdamGG
(1,275 posts)and lost a lot of popularity over it. As then, I think the Republicans would be able to successfully run against that kind of systemic change for partisan reasons. There's a good chance it would make our Congressional majority short lived.
moondust
(19,917 posts)was a friend of RBG and says RBG herself did not like the idea of expanding the court because it would invite the other party to do the same. Endless politics.
Nina just said RBG planned to retire in 2016 and have the first woman President nominate her replacement.
AZ8theist
(5,336 posts)Your assessment of history is completely accurate. However, this is not 1936. FSR was fighting isolationism as well as trying to right the nations economy after disastrous Repuke economic policies. He moved to right the country through other means. Eventually, he did not need to expand the court. If Moscow Mitch tries to ram rod another fascist asshole like Kavanaugh through before the election, all bets are off.
It may take an unprecedented move like court stacking to right the wrongs of the Repukes party destruction of America over the last 40 years.
I for one will support it 100000%.
AdamGG
(1,275 posts)like it did on FDR. They highlight it quite a bit in FDR's American Experience biography. He tried to stack the court because the Harding/Coolidge/Hoover appointees were ruling all of his new deal programs unconstitutional. The only reason FDR eventually didn't need to do it was because he got elected 4 times and was able to replace most of the court himself.
As much as I want the 5-4 conservative majority to finally end, to a lot of independent voters, formally changing the system so that your side can get more votes would alienate them. I know that the # of justices isn't fixed in the Constitution and theoretically wouldn't have a problem with it, but the optics would be horrible. Fox and the right would have a field day with it.
We would compound losing the Supreme Court with losing Congress. I saw the 2008 "supermajority" dissolve very quickly. If we take both houses of Congress again, it's important that we retain it for much longer than that.
mjvpi
(1,384 posts)Im 63. Ever since Reagan, Democrats have been constantly worried about the consequences of pissing off the Republicans. We constantly act as the adults in the room and stress the democratic ideal of compromise. In a perfect world Im there. Obama was the perfect example. He won landslides on the ideas of hope and change. He had a mandate to take the country in a radically different direction. The whole world was ready for the hope and change. He was given a Nobel Peace Prize at the beginning of his presidency. But being the adult, he chose healing and compromise as the way to govern. He was the model of what a president should be. But all of that goodness was wasted on the Republicans. They reacted as if he were governing like FDR. Maybe he should have. Ever since Reagan our country has marched to the right or the wrong, if I may. We now need a correction.
AdamGG
(1,275 posts)I completely agree with your post. Specifically, when the Rethugs first took back Congress in 2010, he should have let the Bush tax cuts expire for EVERYONE when the Republican Congress refused to pass a bill allowing them to continue for all but the top 2%. They would have lost support from day one and would have had to back down. Obama was a first rate President, but he repeatedly sought to compromise with people who had no intention of doing so.
But, I've rewatched the PBS American Experience FDR documentary many times (it's very good) and I think the tactic of restructuring the system so that your party can get more judges would play as bad politically now as it did then. It's no worse than what the Rethugs have done (not as bad as their voter suppression), but the general public isn't that knowledgeable and I fear that this would be political poison.
mjvpi
(1,384 posts)The right wing machine has been packing the courts with sympathetic judges for most of my adult life. Its not just the Supreme Court. To me Mitch McConnell is like Tom Brady. I hate the fucker, but can he play the game. Dark money entering judicial elections has been devastating, unless you believe that money is a deity. What is about to happen is the cherry on top. Overturning Citizens United is the shortest distance to the goal line. Sorry about the sports references. I dont usually go there.
AdamGG
(1,275 posts)except I'm from Boston, so I'd have to make Mitch McConnell Bill Laimbeer for the analogy to work, or maybe Peyton Manning, but I didn't really hate him.
bucolic_frolic
(42,660 posts)When she was hospitalized in June I think it was, the public statement said something about it didn't involve one or the other of liver or pancreas. So yes, there was a lot of room there to realize, it did involve the other. But no matter, at this point we accept the hand we are dealt, as she did, and go from there. RBG would want us all to fight as hard as her.
She should've
Skittles
(152,964 posts)well, here's the outcome
PTWB
(4,131 posts)I was called sexist, ageist and all other manner of names. RBG was an incredibly accomplished jurist until the day she died and that was never in question.
Politically, however, it was foolish not to retire when she could guarantee her successor would be like-minded. Anyone who advocated against her retirement in 2014 reaps today.
absolutely correct
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,282 posts)Didn't it take 60 votes to approve a Supreme Court nominee in those days? Now, of course, a simple majority can approve simply on party line.
SharonAnn
(13,766 posts)She knew that McConnell would not permit Obama to name a Supreme Court Justice.
She probably knew she needed to hang on as long as she could.
former9thward
(31,799 posts)JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,282 posts)Mitch "fixed" that.
former9thward
(31,799 posts)Harry Reid got rid of the filibuster for Executive branch appointments and judicial nominations except the Supreme court.
DownriverDem
(6,205 posts)I fought like hell pointing out that the courts are part of what we vote for too. Now watch how repubs work.
LizBeth
(9,946 posts)apcalc
(4,461 posts)LiberalLoner
(9,761 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)It's what Susan Sarandon wanted. Just LOOK at how giddy and animated she is she can barely contain her excitement at the horrors that await us.
Sarandon more afraid of Hillary than a wall.
Won't vote for Hillary
Won't applaud for Hillary
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)Gothmog
(143,998 posts)moonscape
(4,664 posts)he did urge everyone in battleground states to vote for Clinton.
That's what he said. I didn't know he didn't vote for her. Dang.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)Mike 03
(16,616 posts)But there are plenty of others.
dreamland
(964 posts)mcar
(42,206 posts)the non-voters, the write in Bernie voters, are responsible for this.
I am so angry right now, and so sad that I can't mourn this amazing American hero.
Gothmog
(143,998 posts)I really have very strong negative feelings about Sarandon and idiots who voted for Jill Stein
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(107,063 posts)Beacool
(30,244 posts)I refuse to watch anything she's been in, I do the same with any John Wayne film. Fuck them both.
still_one
(91,937 posts)Mariana
(14,847 posts)Fuck them.
niyad
(112,425 posts)former9thward
(31,799 posts)marie999
(3,334 posts)Demsrule86
(68,347 posts)Claustrum
(4,845 posts)Baltimike
(4,123 posts)SKKY
(11,771 posts)...now go stick it straight up your asses.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)Eliot Rosewater
(31,096 posts)kairos12
(12,817 posts)demtenjeep
(31,997 posts)this was their grand plan
still_one
(91,937 posts)the filibuster and increase the number on the SC
Eliot Rosewater
(31,096 posts)is it then not possible to vote on SC?
Whatever can be done must be done, they must know that and must do that. There is no tomorrow.
Sunsky
(1,737 posts)dalton99a
(81,065 posts)JI7
(89,172 posts)a shit about equality and fairness.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,096 posts)in the City.
Very opinionated and care only about their one issue and to hell with everyone else.
Well, it happened. Everyone is in GRAVE danger now but especially the minority groups.
DownriverDem
(6,205 posts)But bashing the party you seem to want to change is not going to help. Do you ever look at it from the Democrats side?
abqtommy
(14,118 posts)ratfucking. Let us remember and never forget...
Eliot Rosewater
(31,096 posts)ellie
(6,927 posts)They can fuck right off.
Sympthsical
(8,928 posts)Its wearisome and divisive.
40% of eligible voters, tens of millions of Americans, just plain didnt vote. But somehow its all the fault of a few thousand voters in three states? Enough that we have to hear about Bernie Bros and Susan Sarandon for years on end?
There are always people who vote third party. Always. Every election. Johnson took even more votes from Clinton than Stain did. We never hear about him.
Its always the Lefts fault.
Republicans dont need to divide and conquer if were doing it just fine by ourselves.
Ligyron
(7,592 posts)If they could be bothered to vote?
I wish I had a dollar for every time one told me it's all rigged and there's no sense in voting anyway.
These same defeatist types will also say it's all over now that RBG died, why bother to fight. Either that or they'll say, "Who's she"?
This is where the real problem or fight lies imho.
appalachiablue
(41,047 posts)In 'Editorials' I posted articles on this vital issue today. We don't despair or give up, ever.
Ligyron
(7,592 posts)mcar
(42,206 posts)too.
But I will never forgive or forget the Sarandon types who wanted to bring on the "revolution," never considering how the interim would affect actual people.
I will never forgive the Stein voters, the "I'm going to vote my conscience voters" who left DU to form that cesspool JPR, the people who wrote in Bernie's name (not blaming him), and the so-called progressives who voted for IMPOTUS because HRC was "worse."
SlogginThroughIt
(1,977 posts)Fuck them. We all warned then this is where we would end up and now here we are. Fuck them. Hell their rhetoric helped to keep people at home and not vote.
MrsCoffee
(5,801 posts)Dont pretend that calling the behavior out is the problem. Im so sick of that bullshit narrative.
TALK about it. Remind people. Dont let the assholes divide us again.
Blasphemer
(3,261 posts)JI7
(89,172 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)which Dotard beat Hillary in the swing states.
At least they voted, and could have prevented it.
DFW
(54,047 posts)Even back then, I was screaming (to the few willing to listen): it's THE SUPREME COURT, STUPID!
I am tired of every new Democratic administration that comes in being buried with the task of damage control, and then losing the next election because they never finished a job that has no end.
mcar
(42,206 posts)So many of us said it, over and over. The purists didn't listen, didn't care.
It is what it is. They bear responsibility.
DFW
(54,047 posts)If I want to stay married, I couldn't do it even if the USA were paradise on earth.
yardwork
(61,408 posts)RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)Selfish fucks.
Politicub
(12,163 posts)They can go to hell for all I care.
33taw
(2,420 posts)TheDemsshouldhireme
(172 posts)You might not like everything about the democratic nominee, but I bet People like Sarandon know there's a grand canyon worth of difference between RBG and Kavanaugh. Presidents come and go, supreme court justices serve decades. I was 18 in 1980 when Reagan got elected, he appointed Scalia. When Scalia died, I was meeting with financial planners for my retirement. So to all the green voters and people who stayed home, enjoy 30 years of the supreme court ruling against everything you stand for in your adult life, women's rights, civil rights, labor laws, the environment and on and on.
I'll give conservatives one thing, they understand there are 3 branches of government.
oasis
(49,150 posts)a kennedy
(29,458 posts)mntleo2
(2,535 posts)...most of we Bernieites voted for HRC in spite of the shenanigans we saw in our own state as well as around the country with HRCers trying to shut us up. Oh yes, they went there, I saw it with my own eyes in my own caucuses. She is a former Walmart board member, pretended that forcing women into lifelong poverty by working McJobs that did not even assist them with healthcare or childcare, voted for the Iraq war, need I go on?
But hey, I voted for her because she was better than tRump. m'kay? BTW as Bernie counseled us to do.
And I will also vote for Biden in spite of the fact I dislike him intensely for some of the things he did while being a senator such as voting against the bankruptcy bill, for that evil piece of s**t Negroponte to be the Iraq ambassador to Iraq who blessed the death squads in South America when he was ambassador there, for the demonization of the poor with Welfare DEFormed, for the Iraq war, and the list goes on and on with me.
Please PLEASE stop blaming us for something we did not do! I am sick to death of that rhetoric and I WILL forgive you all for supporting such things! Like what happened in Florida with Nadar, Dems like to "forget" that turncoat DEMOCRATS crossed the aisle in Florida and voted for Bu$h. Nothing near what damage Nadar voters did.
Should I hate and refuse to forgive you for that? For the needless blame and practiced blindness I saw? No! It is over and done with and all I can do is keep my eyes open and hold whoever is elected accountable. Biden is already against universal healthcare (which is what he was voting against with the bankruptcy bill). Believe me he will hear about that and I will not be the only one. Remember Occupy...
I say all these things to remind us all that there is good reason to be mad about those things as far as I am concerned. But it is not time to divide us. It is time to unite us. Of all the times it is needed now!
Cat in Seattle
still_one
(91,937 posts)JI7
(89,172 posts)of certain people's agendas.
BlueLucy
(1,609 posts)mntleo2
(2,535 posts)"Made popular by Mr. Mackey on the Comedy Central show South Park. Said after every sentence. Used in Place of ok.
"I want you boys to settle down, Mkay?"
Hope this helps ...
AngryOldDem
(14,061 posts)There were people who threw the equivalent of a preschoolers temper tantrum who either sat it out or went for the fringe in 2016, to make some kind of point. They, as much as the Trumpers, do share a great deal of the blame for where we are now, and I dont know if I can ever forgive or forget them for that.
I supported Bernie as well, but voted for HRC because I saw the looming danger with Trump, and my issues with her were trifling compared to the threat Trump posed to the country at large. Pettiness and spite from some on the Left, as much as hatred and ignorance from some on the Right, have got us to this point. That cannot happen this time around.
And you are absolutely correct the leaders we elect must be held accountable to us, the people which is why we must not let another election go to Trump. If that happens, debating political niceties and the fine points of governing will be nothing but a quaint exercise.
mntleo2
(2,535 posts)...Old farts like me have gone way past the purity tests. I am not sure what can be done for those youthful voters except pray they will mature enough to not demand purity when in fact there is nobody who is perfect. At one time I was there as well so I understand why it seems to make sense.
I am an FDR Democrat and so is Bernie in so many ways. I think those who see themselves as "progressive" do not know what true liberals are about. Biden is no liberal. He is way better than tRump this is so true, but he will be a disappointment in many ways. He already has been that for me for years, lol.
These young people do not know a thing about FDR or his incredible wife Eleanor. Most people who call themselves liberal drink the kool-aid that being "Socialist" is somehow bad. Errrm what do we call most of Europe but dah dah daaaa Democratic Socialists?
Ah well, I am a bit touchy about all this because of the unreasonable blame heaped upon most of us when we were not part of the purity bunch and to tell you the truth I am not one of these other liberals either. I am an old long time activist and believe me I have seen enough hypocrisy by my own "side" to gag a maggot. LOL!
Cat in Seattle
JI7
(89,172 posts)but blame a young Hillary Clinton for every problem in the world.
BannonsLiver
(16,161 posts)Because it was politically expedient.
Cha
(295,899 posts)Thank Goodness Both of them did/have.
BannonsLiver
(16,161 posts)betsuni
(25,122 posts)eco-store opened in 1993 in Kansas. Skylights cut energy use and was widely copied by the industry. Consumers could bring in used motor oil and batteries for recycling.
She pushed Walton to support a corporate tax program financing a major education overhaul in Arkansas.
Gary Mauro, who on was the Walmart Environmental Advisory Board, said "Did Hillary like all of Walmart's practices? No. But was Walmart a better company with better practices because Hillary was on the Board? Yes."
As the first woman board member of Walmart, her issues were more women in management and a comprehensive environmental program.
How is any of this bad? Don't you want companies' feet to be held to the fire?
Response to betsuni (Reply #115)
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JI7
(89,172 posts)betsuni
(25,122 posts)My, my. A middle class Methodist liberal do-gooder is "1% enabler" "elitist who only thought about her class" and had "no idea of the real struggles of average Americans"? You should look up Hillary's record. Blaming Hillary for Walmart and mocking her efforts at environmentalism? Oh, dear. Hillary thinks of "women of all colors and classes" of "ignorant, uneducated peons" who are "poster-children for her causes"?
Propaganda sure works on some people.
Cha
(295,899 posts)Thank You!
betsuni
(25,122 posts)Someone who's really into the 1930s?
Cha
(295,899 posts)and got important legislature Accomplished.
Having a large amazingly Diverse Coalition helped Joe Biden on his journey to become our Democratic Nominee for President 2020.
And, here are.
betsuni
(25,122 posts)Cha
(295,899 posts)Cheers!
George II
(67,782 posts)JI7
(89,172 posts)who claim to be liberal but are just grifters who want Republicans to win.
JI7
(89,172 posts)dansolo
(5,376 posts)I don't care if you personally voted for Clinton. You are still giving cover to everyone who refused to vote for her.
"in spite of the shenanigans we saw in our own state as well as around the country with HRCers trying to shut us up"
This is complete and utter bullshit, and this is exactly what the OP is referring to.
muntrv
(14,505 posts)OldManTarHeel
(435 posts)some folks have f*cked themselves in a big way.
Dumbass sh!theads.
FelineOverlord
(3,554 posts)I am on Twitter a lot.
I have blocked on Twitter all the toxic people and their followers who brought this on us:
The right wingers AND the left wingers.
Shapiro, Kirk, Lahren, Coulter, Grenell, and almost all GOP MOC.
Sarandon, West, Moore, Gray, Sirota, Grim, Knight, and Turner.
I didn't have to block Jill Stein -- she blocked me. So did Kobach. And Chachi.
I haven't been sparring with the extreme "purists" lately - I just block them. I gave up. They are as cult-like as MAGAts. They were just awful during the primaries.
Although I would have voted for ANY of the Democratic candidates who ran if they won the nomination.
I try to tweet as much positive things about Joe and Kamala as I can.
Chili
(1,725 posts)I block EVERY SINGLE TRUMP FREAK I read. BLOCK you. Go BLOCK yourself. Kiss my BLOCKING ass.
I don't even tell 'em. Block. Block. Block. Hope twitter never puts a limit on that, or I'm screwed, LOL. I read threads now and think, wow, no trumpists today?
Feels maaaahvolous.
FelineOverlord
(3,554 posts)Jill blocked me because I asked her when she was getting her next orders from Putin.
Chachi blocked me because I laughed at one of his tweets.
Kris Kobach blocked me when he was still the SOS of Kansas. He must have seen one of my tweets about him because I never had responded to him directly. This was when he was investigating "voter fraud."
I also have been blocked by some people from OANN and Breitbart (that Breitbart guy was thrown out of a Beto rally a week later so I guess i was on the right track).
A white supremacist type blocked me because I tweeted him a photo of Eisenhower with ANTIFA written on it.
It's a fun game. I just can't help it sometimes.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,096 posts)everyone they knew, everyone they came into contact with at the barber shop, beauty parlor, grocery store knew how they had to HOLD THEIR NOSE to vote for her because she was so bad.
Dont ask them why she is bad because all they really know is rightwing and Russian talking points that have been repeated for 30 years.
Tumbulu
(6,267 posts)Chili
(1,725 posts)I try not to respond directly to anyone because I lose my temper and get virulent, and I don't want to do that. But I will retweet and comment without profanity, it's the least I can do! But oh those biggies who block you!
And I love your nick, too - I have 6 cats - 2 strays and 4 ferals - that I take care of. I'm currently replacing my rotting fencing in the backyard and putting cat-bars on top so they can't get out... not because I want to control them, but there is a pit that gets loose who lives too close, and a coyote was after them once, and I'd hate for any new neighbors to complain (hasn't happened... yet) so... it's going to be a big catio for them.
BainsBane
(53,001 posts)because he was made that I said that white men weren't as vulnerable before the court as people of color, LGBTQ, and women. I guess Al has more in common with Trump than we thought.
Morgunn47
(7 posts)We need to get both houses and then we would have the ability to add justices to the supreme court. I'd say 4 nice young liberal ones. That would counter the repubs bullshit nominees.
riverwalker
(8,694 posts)relayerbob
(6,508 posts)BainsBane
(53,001 posts)They insisted that the court didn't matter. It didn't to them, in fact they voted for a GOP court to prop up White male supremacy. There is a reason they allied themselves with fascism. There is nothing accidental about any of this.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,096 posts)and I hope they ask the family member who did this to them why they did it.
Or their cousin will want to marry same gender and cant.
BainsBane
(53,001 posts)because face it, they don't give a shit about the women in their lives. If they did, they'd have voted for Hillary.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,096 posts)Here is the worst part, do they have enough power to not only overturn Roe but make abortion a federal crime?
They do if putin takes over with MM and rump...
The only solace is blue states will do the adult thing, red states wont. But you can live in a blue state, works for Gay rights also, but this is why I am pretty sure real bad things are coming, courts wont matter.
AllaN01Bear
(17,346 posts)Eliot Rosewater
(31,096 posts)so overwhelming.
But hey I wanted what I wanted and I wasnt gonna get it so fuck everybody else...that is what they said
So it is clear I am stating what THEY Said...what the Hillary BASHERS said
lonely bird
(1,642 posts)The 40% of the electorate that couldnt be bothered to vote at all in 2016.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,096 posts)politically and went out of their way to FUCK THIS COUNTRY FOR GOOD
MH1
(17,537 posts)The non-voters are non-voters. (some of them are only non-voters because of roadblocks that the privileged don't face)
It's the fucking activist extremists that didn't give a flying fuck about women's rights. That went out of their way to convince others to not vote for Hillary. THOSE people ARE the problem.
JI7
(89,172 posts)Rizen
(703 posts)Bernie or busters, green party, non voters... We told you VOTE FOR THE SUPREME COURT!
Cha
(295,899 posts)trump.. said she was worse than trump & got their fans to follow them off the cliff. Privileged Assholes don't give a Shit and the whole World Suffers.
Blast them right to Hell & may they Rot for Eternity.
I'm sure they're GD happy right now in their Million $$$$$ homes.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,096 posts)was stolen, well I dont remember seeing a single one of them apologize.
mcar
(42,206 posts)and take their pal, McConnell with them, Cha.
Cha
(295,899 posts)so much with them and start with the evil fuck enabler mitch the ugly turtle.
RGB mcar
LymphocyteLover
(5,601 posts)WcoastO
(55 posts)Gore wasn't pure enough for Naderites and we got Roberts and Allto.......
mcar
(42,206 posts)or wrote in Bernie's name (not blaming him)
are responsible for this - all of it. 200,000 dead American, an economy in tatters and a SCOTUS that could be far right for the next 40 years.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,096 posts)They spend all their time stalking true patriots.
mcar
(42,206 posts)on this terrible night, continuing to rationalize and deflect.
I feel broke tonight, Eliot. I'm so tired and angry.
At the same time, I know I will continue to fight, here in FL, to turn this fcking state blue.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,096 posts)to render courts meaningless if they steal, so we have to prevent that.
We can fix this after the election, we can...but how many ballots will traitor DeJoy holdup, I think he will order the employees not to postmark them.
Right now as we discuss this horrible nightmare and all the harm to people, their ONLY concern is try and trip one of us up...own the libs. They HATE liberals.
Woodycall
(259 posts)that the truth is that a large percentage of those "assholes" you speak of were "people of color". That's a statistical fact. And I don't think you really want to go there... Think and do the research before you make such statements please.
SlogginThroughIt
(1,977 posts)Fuck all of them.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)Who knew?!
Tumbulu
(6,267 posts)I dont think so.
All those in love with Jill Stein that I knew were privileged white people who grew up in rich households. Rich enough to be pure.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)JI7
(89,172 posts)betsuni
(25,122 posts)had to do with Obama and Clinton themselves. When Obama ran in 2008 and 2012, black turnout was over 5 percentage points higher than it had been for any election on record. Obama's two campaigns confirmed research showing that African Americans' in-group identity -- their identification with blacks as a group -- impacts how they think and act in politics. ... It was arguably unrealistic to expect similarly high levels of black turnout for a white Democratic candidate in 2016."
"According to the Census Bureau's Current Population Survey, the percentage of blacks who turned out declined from 66 percent of eligible voters in 2012 to 59 percent in 2016."
From "Identity Crisis"
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Trying to smack down anyone for criticizing opposing HRC with POC will not get you very far here on DU.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)"didn't matter" because those states usually didn't go Democratic in the General. They are in large part POC.
BTW - I notice that you're "undecided" about who you're going to support for POTUS.
Ghost of Tom Joad
(1,352 posts)Think about the thousands of idiots who voted for Nader in Florida 2000
Happy Hoosier
(7,070 posts)Response to still_one (Original post)
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betsuni
(25,122 posts)MFM008
(19,776 posts)Blue Owl
(49,902 posts)n/t
herding cats
(19,549 posts)They won and we lost. Very possibly for the next generation, at the least.
People were played, yes. But, it's all ancient history now. Or, it will be viewed by historians as such. All those pages have already turned.
The fix is in and this is our end. Not a single person on the left did anything but lose massively in the end.
ecstatic
(32,566 posts)an entire "F*** You" speech right now but I think it's time to sign off for the night.
Aristus
(66,075 posts)Feckless fools!...
Lady Freedom Returns
(14,120 posts)Gothmog
(143,998 posts)Link to tweet
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JI7
(89,172 posts)on the court. It's exactly what they wanted.
Gothmog
(143,998 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Tarheel_Dem
(31,207 posts)Response to still_one (Original post)
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betsuni
(25,122 posts)cynatnite
(31,011 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)betsuni
(25,122 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)BlueMTexpat
(15,348 posts)My bitterness towards them is not even measurable.
dicksmc3
(262 posts)We can't let the republiCONS keep screwing with our democracy. It's time for ALL TO GET OUT AND VOTE!! Forget about Hillary, she's not on the ballot, we must come together for BIDEN-HARRIS.. When we win this battle in November we can then start talking about what Democrats will do to even up the justice in the country. If that means COURT PACKING for the Biden administration, so be it. The republiCONS have done this for way too long. Time for payback!!
Aristus
(66,075 posts)Smugly blithering about how Joe Biden has to earn their vote...
Nitram
(22,663 posts)spanone
(135,630 posts)llashram
(6,265 posts)yet that water of 2016 is way down the river. We must vote and get out the vote to unsully the waters of the progress we were making before the orange menace was installed by the PTB here and in Russia.
still_one
(91,937 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Liberal In Red State
(442 posts)StarzGuy
(254 posts)...those who said, "there is no difference between the parties" and simply could not be bothered to vote. In addition I'd add those who voted for a third party on the ballot. Minority voters need to vote in mass this time like they did when Obama was running.
I think the later groups are the key to a victory this time as well. If they don't turn out in numbers like for Obama tRumpf will win the electoral college again. This will continue the destruction of our democracy
marieo1
(1,402 posts)I won't forget or forgive either......they gave us this orange blob...........disgusting!!
chwaliszewski
(1,514 posts)just let it go and focus on this election. All of your anger only hurts you, not any of them. Keep your eye on the upcoming prize.
Blasphemer
(3,261 posts)Zing Zing Zingbah
(6,496 posts)voting for Biden and other dems that didn't vote for Hillary the last time. Holding a grudge isn't going to fix anything.
dlk
(11,425 posts)They own their part in this debacle.
titanicdave
(429 posts)they are fucking idiots who left .......OUR...COUNTRY....in...ruins.......
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)You did...but doubt it.
still_one
(91,937 posts)were bringing crime and drugs to the U.S. which was what his campaign promise to build a wall to keep those terrible immigrants out of the country was all about, or his call to ban all Muslims coming to the U.S. Who would have known?
Or his constant racist and sexist dog whistles on the campaign trail, who could've guessed.
The birthism, Access Hollywood tapes, and multiple other incidents of racism and sexism, who could have known?
As if it was necessary for Hillary to warn us about trump.
Yes, I knew about trump long before 2016, and his long history of racism all the way back to the 70's, along with his shady business dealings, and multiple bankruptcies of his various business enterprises
For those that were not that familiar with that past, there was no ambiguity about where he was coming from when he ran for president in 2016, because his racism, sexism, and bigotry was on full display during the 2016 campaign
betsuni
(25,122 posts)many times. I just learned that was why he married Marla Maples, because he was planning to run and thought she could help him appeal to Southerners. He's been a celebrity forever. And somehow nobody knew about him? I don't get it.
still_one
(91,937 posts)try to hide his racism, sexism, or bigotry
betsuni
(25,122 posts)We all saw it. And yet he was given the thing that's NEVER given to Democrats, especially Hillary: the benefit of the doubt. He didn't really mean that. And we know his supporters loved the racism, sexism, bigotry because he was "telling it like it is."
Like an extreme version of The Emperor's New Clothes.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)would dismantle, infect and control every govt institution. He would snub every govt tradition. That he would bribe foreign govts for his own benefit. Separate children from parents and lock them in cages.that he would gas peaceful protestors, That he would hide a deadly airborne virus and 200k + people would die and then say "it is what it is."
We didn't even, at a minimum, censure the monster when he did these things. And waited 3 yrs to impeach on ukraine only.
Go back and read Rep Steve Cohen's D-TN articles of impeachment he introduced on Nov 15 2017. The ones Dems ignored. Most prescient. And this was when IQ45s approvals were the lowest, in mid to upper 30s. When the stopping of this murderous freight train *might have worked.
betsuni
(25,122 posts)He ran as an "outsider" when he planned to or ran for president since the eighties.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)betsuni
(25,122 posts)You think earlier impeachment would have worked? Not.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)forget the words of a Republican after Mueller report..." No, not gonna read it. If there was anything there Dems would be pouncing on it."
But this is not primarily about us or anyone else slowing him or not slowing him down. Despite it being a natural question. It is merely about how no one I know of (send me if you know) fully predicting the utter catastrophe that has been trump. Negligent homicide, child cruelty, treason.
hamsterjill
(15,214 posts)How could anyone NOT have known.
Jopin Klobe
(779 posts)... by approximately 3,000,000 votes ...
... nobody to blame but the politically rigged, so-called "Electoral College" ...
... and not campaigning worth a damn in at least three states ...
Beacool
(30,244 posts)The Bernie supporters who didn't vote for Hillary and the Jill Stein voters can all go to HELL!!!!
I would have voted for a turnip over Trump. I preferred Hillary, but if Bernie had been the nominee, I would have voted for him.
We are in a living hell thanks to Trump, I'll never forgive those on the Left who refused to vote for Hillary.
UCmeNdc
(9,589 posts)Hillary won.
Look at Trump's character. He will do anything to win. Look at Manafort and his Russian connections. Why did they give the Russians key voter data before the election?
Why did Trump spend so much campaign money on Cambridge Analytica, a data company based in Great Britain but had deep Russian connections to Putin?
IMHO to know how to flip the voting machines in key states.
In all of the investigations no one has really investigated Trump's money and his money connected to the Russians. Not really investigated how vulnerable the in person voting system is to computer hacking.
IMHO that is why Trump hates voting by mail. It leaves a paper trail which you cannot hack.
So I really believe Hillary Clinton actually won the 2016 election. Trump cheated.
Trump wants to cheat again in 2020 IMHO.
hamsterjill
(15,214 posts)Putin installed him. And if we arent careful, it will happen again.