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I will NEVER FORGIVE THOSE FUCKING ASSHOLES WHO REFUSED TO VOTE FOR HILLARY IN 2016 (Original Post) still_one Sep 2020 OP
Same here! Rorey Sep 2020 #1
I have no doubt RBG tried to hang on as long as possible. She was one courageous person, and still_one Sep 2020 #4
Yes. Truly a hero. Rorey Sep 2020 #7
I agree, she clearly held on as long as possible. Rest in Power, RBG BlancheSplanchnik Sep 2020 #90
I wrote RBG when Obama was in office before we lost the Senate and begged her to retire. Demsrule86 Sep 2020 #13
I agree Rorey Sep 2020 #15
My theory. moondust Sep 2020 #16
Sure could have retired earlier that Scalia died. zaj Sep 2020 #26
In 2015 moondust Sep 2020 #39
Except that if Biden dies, his office doesn't become a right wing lifetime appointment AdamGG Sep 2020 #49
As some have already suggested, moondust Sep 2020 #53
FDR tried to do that in his 2nd term and failed AdamGG Sep 2020 #58
Nina Totenberg on with Rachel now moondust Sep 2020 #65
I disagree. AZ8theist Sep 2020 #76
I understand the motivation, but think it would backfire AdamGG Sep 2020 #106
This thread is most Democrats internal debate. mjvpi Sep 2020 #169
Obama compromised too much, but I think restructuring the court would be a step too far AdamGG Sep 2020 #178
I do hear what you are saying. mjvpi Sep 2020 #183
The sports references are great AdamGG Sep 2020 #196
Me, often a cynic, says don't go there bucolic_frolic Sep 2020 #40
Yup Catch2.2 Sep 2020 #23
I received all kinds of flak on when I suggested that Skittles Sep 2020 #25
I strongly advocated for her retirement while we still held the senate under Obama. PTWB Sep 2020 #92
ditto Skittles Sep 2020 #95
Did Dems hold the senate? JustABozoOnThisBus Sep 2020 #146
She wouldn't have been replaced by a Dem. Remember Merrick Garland nomination? SharonAnn Sep 2020 #59
Democrats held the Senate for six years during Obama 2009-2015. former9thward Sep 2020 #100
But 40 Republicans could stop a nomination. JustABozoOnThisBus Sep 2020 #149
The Democrats could have changed the rules. former9thward Sep 2020 #151
Me neither DownriverDem Sep 2020 #138
I am that angry right now. LizBeth Sep 2020 #2
Me either. apcalc Sep 2020 #3
Same here. LiberalLoner Sep 2020 #5
It's what Susan Sarandon wanted. Just LOOK at how giddy and animated she is... NurseJackie Sep 2020 #6
Don't forget about Eddie Glaude jr. Trumpocalypse Sep 2020 #9
I really dislike that person Gothmog Sep 2020 #128
Although he chose to vote only down ballot, moonscape Sep 2020 #163
Not really Trumpocalypse Sep 2020 #164
That is who came to mind when I read the OP Mike 03 Sep 2020 #22
Whack job cost us valuable votes. dreamland Sep 2020 #24
She, and all the Stein voters, mcar Sep 2020 #78
Sarandon and stein voters knew that the SCOTUS was on the ballot Gothmog Sep 2020 #129
She got herself a big juicy tax cut out of it all Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Sep 2020 #157
Susan Sarandon is dead to me. Beacool Sep 2020 #186
Why couldn't it have been the orange man in the WH!!! still_one Sep 2020 #8
69,654,971 voted against Hillary in 2016. Mariana Sep 2020 #10
Where do you get that figure? Traitor get 62 million. niyad Sep 2020 #57
The various third party tickets got 7 million votes. former9thward Sep 2020 #103
Democrats elected trump by not voting. marie999 Sep 2020 #176
They helped elect Trump alright and now we are facing a 6-3 court Demsrule86 Sep 2020 #11
I really don't want to let my emotion overcome my rationality. But I am so with you..... Claustrum Sep 2020 #12
or the ones who pretended Russia didn't fix this for him. nt Baltimike Sep 2020 #14
Yup! Here's your protest vote Bernie Bros... SKKY Sep 2020 #17
And fuck the alert brigade as well. nt Codeine Sep 2020 #30
Yep, who is happier that they "owned" the libs today? Righty or that other group? Eliot Rosewater Sep 2020 #67
Exactly!! kairos12 Sep 2020 #18
now I feel like America died demtenjeep Sep 2020 #19
No. Now we need to be more motivated than ever to win the WH and both houses of Congress. Remove still_one Sep 2020 #21
Start a letter writing campaign now to Chuck Schumer, for instance if he starts an impeachment Eliot Rosewater Sep 2020 #68
This nt Sunsky Sep 2020 #20
They are STUPID fucking assholes. dalton99a Sep 2020 #27
And Gore in 2000. None of those people are progressives and don't give JI7 Sep 2020 #28
My friend in SF, a Gay Black Woman, tells me how much she dislikes this group, lots of them Eliot Rosewater Sep 2020 #71
Democrats do DownriverDem Sep 2020 #139
Join me in remembering that Hillary won the election in 2016. Unfortunately, tRUMP won the abqtommy Sep 2020 #29
And states he allegedly won, he didnt. Putin hacked Eliot Rosewater Sep 2020 #72
I know. ellie Sep 2020 #31
Blame non-voters. Left bashing is useless Sympthsical Sep 2020 #32
And most of those non voters would come down on our side of things too Ligyron Sep 2020 #46
Why bother people can GTH: Ruth was a fighter, so we must be appalachiablue Sep 2020 #195
Right on! Ligyron Sep 2020 #200
OK, I'll blame them... mcar Sep 2020 #84
No. Those people spread constant disinformation. SlogginThroughIt Sep 2020 #96
The whole goal of those "leftists" you speak of was DIVISION. MrsCoffee Sep 2020 #154
Exactly. They contribute to making nonvoters feel justified in sitting it out... nt Blasphemer Sep 2020 #167
We NEED to call out their BS. JI7 Sep 2020 #198
+1 betsuni Sep 2020 #199
It was if their numbers were greater than the amount by treestar Sep 2020 #174
Nor will I. EVER DFW Sep 2020 #33
Remember how they said it wasn't important mcar Sep 2020 #88
I'm not giving up my German legal residence any time soon. DFW Sep 2020 #110
Well said. yardwork Sep 2020 #162
I agree RhodeIslandOne Sep 2020 #34
Same here. Politicub Sep 2020 #35
It made me sick then and does now. 33taw Sep 2020 #36
Amen TheDemsshouldhireme Sep 2020 #37
+1 oasis Sep 2020 #203
Me either, THE FAWKING BASTARDS.... a kennedy Sep 2020 #38
Look as a Bernie person I DID voted for HRC mntleo2 Sep 2020 #41
My OP was not directed at Bernie, or anyone who voted for the Democratic nominee still_one Sep 2020 #43
but the reactions reveal a lot of truth JI7 Sep 2020 #123
What does m'kay mean? BlueLucy Sep 2020 #62
Good Question! mntleo2 Sep 2020 #116
I am the same, and I read the OP quite differently AngryOldDem Sep 2020 #104
Yeah they were mostly young voters mntleo2 Sep 2020 #111
FDR supported internment of Japanese Americans. It's nice you are ok with that JI7 Sep 2020 #122
Don't forget he also turned his back on lynchings in the south BannonsLiver Sep 2020 #180
Oh yeah? FDR had so many Coalitions like VP Cha Sep 2020 #177
This is vomit inducing BannonsLiver Sep 2020 #179
At Hillary's request, Walton set up an environmental advisory group. "Hillary's store" was an betsuni Sep 2020 #115
Post removed Post removed Sep 2020 #119
so much fucking bullshit. You support gun nut enablers JI7 Sep 2020 #120
That's the propaganda fantasy Hillary. Wrong. Her class? She's from a middle class background. betsuni Sep 2020 #121
It sure as hell does.. Cha Sep 2020 #175
I still don't know what the hell an "FDR Democrat" is. betsuni Sep 2020 #184
I think of FDR as a Democratic President who had a Huge Coalition Cha Sep 2020 #185
Then Biden is totally an FDR Democrat! betsuni Sep 2020 #191
I'm glad we got that straightened out! Cha Sep 2020 #192
Not your typical "corporatist Democrat", eh? George II Sep 2020 #182
Democrats who voted for Bush were conservatives. Greens are Frauds JI7 Sep 2020 #117
Sanders opposed Gun Control and lacks record of getting anything done JI7 Sep 2020 #118
+1 betsuni Sep 2020 #130
Except you are still doing it dansolo Sep 2020 #201
+1 betsuni Sep 2020 #202
But.....but...... muntrv Sep 2020 #42
I'm not sure that I have a comment to this other than OldManTarHeel Sep 2020 #44
I will NEVER FORGIVE THOSE FUCKING ASSHOLES WHO REFUSED TO VOTE FOR HILLARY IN 2016 FelineOverlord Sep 2020 #45
I think I love you Chili Sep 2020 #52
I think I love you FelineOverlord Sep 2020 #63
And not just the ones who actually didnt vote for her but the ones who did but made sure Eliot Rosewater Sep 2020 #73
Well said- I'm am so furious! Tumbulu Sep 2020 #107
oh you are awesome! Chili Sep 2020 #83
Al Giordano just blocked me BainsBane Sep 2020 #55
Democrat House & Senate Morgunn47 Sep 2020 #47
yes still_one Sep 2020 #48
Ditto riverwalker Sep 2020 #50
200% relayerbob Sep 2020 #51
They got the SCOTUS they wanted BainsBane Sep 2020 #54
Their niece or granddaughter will want an abortion and have to risk their lives to get one Eliot Rosewater Sep 2020 #75
Or they'll want to force their girlfriend to have one BainsBane Sep 2020 #80
HAtred of Women and love of guns is what they are all about. Eliot Rosewater Sep 2020 #82
same here. AllaN01Bear Sep 2020 #56
I was this angry BEFORE the great RBG died, but now the damage is going to be Eliot Rosewater Sep 2020 #60
Hey, Let's don't forget lonely bird Sep 2020 #61
No lets forget them, they never vote..the folks we are talking about are very active Eliot Rosewater Sep 2020 #77
THIS. MH1 Sep 2020 #97
Yup, their goal was the same as MAGASHIT JI7 Sep 2020 #125
They're no different from children making noise. Rizen Sep 2020 #64
And, Especially those who Lied about Hillary & Cha Sep 2020 #66
Many of us talked about how bad a mistake it was to act so childish after the election Eliot Rosewater Sep 2020 #79
Blast them right to hell mcar Sep 2020 #89
Yes they need to take those they helped Cha Sep 2020 #94
also those fucking reporters who screwed who over and didn't take Trump seriously LymphocyteLover Sep 2020 #69
2000 election WcoastO Sep 2020 #70
Anyone who voted Stein, didn't vote, voted IMPOTUS, mcar Sep 2020 #74
And not ONE of them that I know of has apologized or admitted they were wrong Eliot Rosewater Sep 2020 #81
They are here, tonight, mcar Sep 2020 #85
Yes, they are, they stalk me constantly...i feel bad but I also know that putin and GOP are going Eliot Rosewater Sep 2020 #87
You can say that but remember... Woodycall Sep 2020 #86
Why does that matter? SlogginThroughIt Sep 2020 #99
POC can't be assholes? Codeine Sep 2020 #101
Let's see the statistics. Tumbulu Sep 2020 #108
Especially from someone who states that they are "undecided" about who they support for POTUS. ehrnst Sep 2020 #143
The POC who did it are assholes also. But most were white JI7 Sep 2020 #126
Besides new voter ID laws, "A more important explanation for the drop in African American turnout betsuni Sep 2020 #133
POC are in most voting demographics, and yes there are some Trump supporters of Color. ehrnst Sep 2020 #141
You may want to tell that to those here who stated that Dems in southern states that went for Biden ehrnst Sep 2020 #145
It goes back further than that Ghost of Tom Joad Sep 2020 #91
Ya goddammed right. Happy Hoosier Sep 2020 #93
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2020 #98
I will never forget, never forgive. Stupid, arrogant, selfish, unforgivable. betsuni Sep 2020 #102
Agreed MFM008 Sep 2020 #105
Jill Stain and Susan Sarandonald Blue Owl Sep 2020 #109
Grudges don't mater now. It's over. herding cats Sep 2020 #112
I'm with you. I could write ecstatic Sep 2020 #113
Me either!... Aristus Sep 2020 #114
Neither will I, still_one. Neither will I Lady Freedom Returns Sep 2020 #124
Hillary tried to warn us Gothmog Sep 2020 #127
The ones who hated her also hated RBG . They got their perverted sleaze Kavanaugh JI7 Sep 2020 #131
From Rachel Bitecofer Gothmog Sep 2020 #132
+1000. (nt) ehrnst Sep 2020 #142
👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽 Tarheel_Dem Sep 2020 #134
Post removed Post removed Sep 2020 #135
+1 betsuni Sep 2020 #136
I can do forgiveness, but it doesn't lessen the pain in my heart. n/t cynatnite Sep 2020 #137
She warned us of this very situation back in 2015: ehrnst Sep 2020 #140
But she sent emails and was paid for a speech, she's "unlikable" and "I don't trust her." betsuni Sep 2020 #148
I know.... ehrnst Sep 2020 #155
Nor will I! BlueMTexpat Sep 2020 #144
GET OUT AND VOTE!! dicksmc3 Sep 2020 #147
And they're still reveling in their douchebaggery, too. Aristus Sep 2020 #150
Absolutely! Nitram Sep 2020 #152
⭐️⭐️⭐️K&R⭐️⭐️⭐️ spanone Sep 2020 #153
I can never just like you llashram Sep 2020 #156
If there was not the motivation before, I think RBG will be that motivating factor still_one Sep 2020 #158
RBG agreed with you. Hortensis Sep 2020 #161
Agreed! Liberal In Red State Sep 2020 #159
That anger should also apply to... StarzGuy Sep 2020 #160
Orange blob marieo1 Sep 2020 #165
Please, just stop.... chwaliszewski Sep 2020 #166
Personally, I also hold Bernie responsible with his "they're all the same" bullshit. nt Blasphemer Sep 2020 #168
I don't want discourage people from Zing Zing Zingbah Sep 2020 #170
Do you mean the narcissists who required being "excited" by a candidate? dlk Sep 2020 #171
......I'm RIGHT BEHIND YOU, STILL...... titanicdave Sep 2020 #172
I hear ya, but NO ONE knew a monster criminal was coming. You can say Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2020 #173
Who could have guessed he was a racist, sexist, and bigot. Calling Mexican immigrants rapists who still_one Sep 2020 #187
He's been on the covers of tabloids since the 80s, has planned to run, or actually run for president betsuni Sep 2020 #189
and we didn't have to go back that far, just observe the campaign he ran on. He didn't even still_one Sep 2020 #190
That's really the point, isn't it. He hid nothing, everything out loud in public. betsuni Sep 2020 #193
+++ still_one Sep 2020 #194
! Of course. But I have never read any predictions that he Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2020 #204
It was obvious. "The ones Dems ignored." Why are you blaming Democrats? betsuni Sep 2020 #205
??? Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2020 #206
What? betsuni Sep 2020 #207
We will never know. It sure did give Republicans an excuse. Will never Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2020 #208
Oh bullshit! hamsterjill Sep 2020 #209
Again - Hillary won the popular vote ... Jopin Klobe Sep 2020 #181
Neither will I. Beacool Sep 2020 #188
IMHO Hillary really won in 2016. Trump had the Russians do something in the swing states. UCmeNdc Sep 2020 #197
Total agreement here. hamsterjill Sep 2020 #210

still_one

(91,937 posts)
4. I have no doubt RBG tried to hang on as long as possible. She was one courageous person, and
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 07:40 PM
Sep 2020

a hero

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
90. I agree, she clearly held on as long as possible. Rest in Power, RBG
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 10:09 PM
Sep 2020


Moscow Mitch can go to fucking hell. FUCKING HELL!!!

Demsrule86

(68,347 posts)
13. I wrote RBG when Obama was in office before we lost the Senate and begged her to retire.
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 07:50 PM
Sep 2020

I really liked her but damn I wish she had retired. She was a great lady.

moondust

(19,917 posts)
16. My theory.
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 08:02 PM
Sep 2020

She planned to retire in 2016 so Obama could appoint a replacement. She didn't know Moscow Mitch had an evil trick up his sleeve.

Scalia died in February 2016 and Moscow Mitch killed the process with his (unconstitutional?) "election year" appointment bullshit. After that she knew he wouldn't let Obama appoint anyone else and she would have to try to make it through another 4 years.

Too bad.



The cynic in me wants an impartial/nonpartisan autopsy to make sure there was no foul play. Same for Scalia.

moondust

(19,917 posts)
39. In 2015
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 08:58 PM
Sep 2020

she was about 82. Some people might call that "borderline" acceptable. Biden is now almost 78; if he serves one term he will be 82 when he leaves. She may have felt that as long as she was still able to go to work and do her job then she could hold out for another few months. And then suddenly and without warning it was too late.

I, too, have often wished that she had retired earlier.

AdamGG

(1,275 posts)
49. Except that if Biden dies, his office doesn't become a right wing lifetime appointment
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 09:20 PM
Sep 2020

I respect and admire everything about RBG, but felt forboding when she didn't let Obama make the replacement.

There's no way that 48 Dems in the Senate can stop the rushed circus confirmation that's coming and even if Biden got to replace Clarence Thomas that would only get us back to the 5-4 conservative majority that we've been hoping to get out from under for decades.

Citizens United, election reform - all the meaningful systemic change that could happen is now delayed for another generation.

moondust

(19,917 posts)
53. As some have already suggested,
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 09:27 PM
Sep 2020

if Democrats end up controlling all three branches they could potentially expand the size of the court and then fill the new seats to shift the balance back toward democracy, freedom, equality, and sanity. I don't know how realistic that is.

AdamGG

(1,275 posts)
58. FDR tried to do that in his 2nd term and failed
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 09:35 PM
Sep 2020

and lost a lot of popularity over it. As then, I think the Republicans would be able to successfully run against that kind of systemic change for partisan reasons. There's a good chance it would make our Congressional majority short lived.

moondust

(19,917 posts)
65. Nina Totenberg on with Rachel now
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 09:44 PM
Sep 2020

was a friend of RBG and says RBG herself did not like the idea of expanding the court because it would invite the other party to do the same. Endless politics.

Nina just said RBG planned to retire in 2016 and have the first woman President nominate her replacement.

AZ8theist

(5,336 posts)
76. I disagree.
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 09:56 PM
Sep 2020

Your assessment of history is completely accurate. However, this is not 1936. FSR was fighting isolationism as well as trying to right the nations economy after disastrous Repuke economic policies. He moved to right the country through other means. Eventually, he did not need to expand the court. If Moscow Mitch tries to ram rod another fascist asshole like Kavanaugh through before the election, all bets are off.
It may take an unprecedented move like court stacking to right the wrongs of the Repukes party destruction of America over the last 40 years.
I for one will support it 100000%.

AdamGG

(1,275 posts)
106. I understand the motivation, but think it would backfire
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 10:54 PM
Sep 2020

like it did on FDR. They highlight it quite a bit in FDR's American Experience biography. He tried to stack the court because the Harding/Coolidge/Hoover appointees were ruling all of his new deal programs unconstitutional. The only reason FDR eventually didn't need to do it was because he got elected 4 times and was able to replace most of the court himself.

As much as I want the 5-4 conservative majority to finally end, to a lot of independent voters, formally changing the system so that your side can get more votes would alienate them. I know that the # of justices isn't fixed in the Constitution and theoretically wouldn't have a problem with it, but the optics would be horrible. Fox and the right would have a field day with it.

We would compound losing the Supreme Court with losing Congress. I saw the 2008 "supermajority" dissolve very quickly. If we take both houses of Congress again, it's important that we retain it for much longer than that.

mjvpi

(1,384 posts)
169. This thread is most Democrats internal debate.
Sat Sep 19, 2020, 03:12 PM
Sep 2020

I’m 63. Ever since Reagan, Democrats have been constantly worried about the consequences of pissing off the Republicans. We constantly act as the adults in the room and stress the democratic ideal of compromise. In a perfect world I’m there. Obama was the perfect example. He won landslides on the ideas of hope and change. He had a mandate to take the country in a radically different direction. The whole world was ready for the hope and change. He was given a Nobel Peace Prize at the beginning of his presidency. But being the adult, he chose healing and compromise as the way to govern. He was the model of what a president should be. But all of that goodness was wasted on the Republicans. They reacted as if he were governing like FDR. Maybe he should have. Ever since Reagan our country has marched to the right or the wrong, if I may. We now need a correction.

AdamGG

(1,275 posts)
178. Obama compromised too much, but I think restructuring the court would be a step too far
Sat Sep 19, 2020, 05:35 PM
Sep 2020

I completely agree with your post. Specifically, when the Rethugs first took back Congress in 2010, he should have let the Bush tax cuts expire for EVERYONE when the Republican Congress refused to pass a bill allowing them to continue for all but the top 2%. They would have lost support from day one and would have had to back down. Obama was a first rate President, but he repeatedly sought to compromise with people who had no intention of doing so.

But, I've rewatched the PBS American Experience FDR documentary many times (it's very good) and I think the tactic of restructuring the system so that your party can get more judges would play as bad politically now as it did then. It's no worse than what the Rethugs have done (not as bad as their voter suppression), but the general public isn't that knowledgeable and I fear that this would be political poison.

mjvpi

(1,384 posts)
183. I do hear what you are saying.
Sat Sep 19, 2020, 06:21 PM
Sep 2020

The right wing machine has been packing the courts with sympathetic judges for most of my adult life. It’s not just the Supreme Court. To me Mitch McConnell is like Tom Brady. I hate the fucker, but can he play the game. Dark money entering judicial elections has been devastating, unless you believe that money is a deity. What is about to happen is the cherry on top. Overturning Citizens United is the shortest distance to the goal line. Sorry about the sports references. I don’t usually go there.

AdamGG

(1,275 posts)
196. The sports references are great
Sat Sep 19, 2020, 08:54 PM
Sep 2020

except I'm from Boston, so I'd have to make Mitch McConnell Bill Laimbeer for the analogy to work, or maybe Peyton Manning, but I didn't really hate him.

bucolic_frolic

(42,660 posts)
40. Me, often a cynic, says don't go there
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 09:05 PM
Sep 2020

When she was hospitalized in June I think it was, the public statement said something about it didn't involve one or the other of liver or pancreas. So yes, there was a lot of room there to realize, it did involve the other. But no matter, at this point we accept the hand we are dealt, as she did, and go from there. RBG would want us all to fight as hard as her.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
92. I strongly advocated for her retirement while we still held the senate under Obama.
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 10:14 PM
Sep 2020

I was called sexist, ageist and all other manner of names. RBG was an incredibly accomplished jurist until the day she died and that was never in question.

Politically, however, it was foolish not to retire when she could guarantee her successor would be like-minded. Anyone who advocated against her retirement in 2014 reaps today.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,282 posts)
146. Did Dems hold the senate?
Sat Sep 19, 2020, 09:38 AM
Sep 2020

Didn't it take 60 votes to approve a Supreme Court nominee in those days? Now, of course, a simple majority can approve simply on party line.

SharonAnn

(13,766 posts)
59. She wouldn't have been replaced by a Dem. Remember Merrick Garland nomination?
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 09:36 PM
Sep 2020

She knew that McConnell would not permit Obama to name a Supreme Court Justice.
She probably knew she needed to hang on as long as she could.

former9thward

(31,799 posts)
151. The Democrats could have changed the rules.
Sat Sep 19, 2020, 10:09 AM
Sep 2020

Harry Reid got rid of the filibuster for Executive branch appointments and judicial nominations except the Supreme court.

DownriverDem

(6,205 posts)
138. Me neither
Sat Sep 19, 2020, 09:16 AM
Sep 2020

I fought like hell pointing out that the courts are part of what we vote for too. Now watch how repubs work.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
6. It's what Susan Sarandon wanted. Just LOOK at how giddy and animated she is...
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 07:40 PM
Sep 2020

It's what Susan Sarandon wanted. Just LOOK at how giddy and animated she is she can barely contain her excitement at the horrors that await us.



Sarandon more afraid of Hillary than a wall.


Won't vote for Hillary


Won't applaud for Hillary

moonscape

(4,664 posts)
163. Although he chose to vote only down ballot,
Sat Sep 19, 2020, 01:23 PM
Sep 2020

he did urge everyone in battleground states to vote for Clinton.

That's what he said. I didn't know he didn't vote for her. Dang.

mcar

(42,206 posts)
78. She, and all the Stein voters,
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 09:59 PM
Sep 2020

the non-voters, the write in Bernie voters, are responsible for this.

I am so angry right now, and so sad that I can't mourn this amazing American hero.

Gothmog

(143,998 posts)
129. Sarandon and stein voters knew that the SCOTUS was on the ballot
Sat Sep 19, 2020, 02:20 AM
Sep 2020

I really have very strong negative feelings about Sarandon and idiots who voted for Jill Stein

Beacool

(30,244 posts)
186. Susan Sarandon is dead to me.
Sat Sep 19, 2020, 07:29 PM
Sep 2020

I refuse to watch anything she's been in, I do the same with any John Wayne film. Fuck them both.

still_one

(91,937 posts)
21. No. Now we need to be more motivated than ever to win the WH and both houses of Congress. Remove
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 08:14 PM
Sep 2020

the filibuster and increase the number on the SC

Eliot Rosewater

(31,096 posts)
68. Start a letter writing campaign now to Chuck Schumer, for instance if he starts an impeachment
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 09:46 PM
Sep 2020

is it then not possible to vote on SC?

Whatever can be done must be done, they must know that and must do that. There is no tomorrow.

JI7

(89,172 posts)
28. And Gore in 2000. None of those people are progressives and don't give
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 08:46 PM
Sep 2020

a shit about equality and fairness.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,096 posts)
71. My friend in SF, a Gay Black Woman, tells me how much she dislikes this group, lots of them
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 09:47 PM
Sep 2020

in the City.

Very opinionated and care only about their one issue and to hell with everyone else.

Well, it happened. Everyone is in GRAVE danger now but especially the minority groups.

DownriverDem

(6,205 posts)
139. Democrats do
Sat Sep 19, 2020, 09:19 AM
Sep 2020

But bashing the party you seem to want to change is not going to help. Do you ever look at it from the Democrats side?

abqtommy

(14,118 posts)
29. Join me in remembering that Hillary won the election in 2016. Unfortunately, tRUMP won the
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 08:47 PM
Sep 2020

ratfucking. Let us remember and never forget...

Sympthsical

(8,928 posts)
32. Blame non-voters. Left bashing is useless
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 08:48 PM
Sep 2020

It’s wearisome and divisive.

40% of eligible voters, tens of millions of Americans, just plain didn’t vote. But somehow it’s all the fault of a few thousand voters in three states? Enough that we have to hear about Bernie Bros and Susan Sarandon for years on end?

There are always people who vote third party. Always. Every election. Johnson took even more votes from Clinton than Stain did. We never hear about him.

It’s always the Left’s fault.

Republicans don’t need to divide and conquer if we’re doing it just fine by ourselves.

Ligyron

(7,592 posts)
46. And most of those non voters would come down on our side of things too
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 09:12 PM
Sep 2020

If they could be bothered to vote?

I wish I had a dollar for every time one told me it's all rigged and there's no sense in voting anyway.

These same defeatist types will also say it's all over now that RBG died, why bother to fight. Either that or they'll say, "Who's she"?

This is where the real problem or fight lies imho.

appalachiablue

(41,047 posts)
195. Why bother people can GTH: Ruth was a fighter, so we must be
Sat Sep 19, 2020, 08:16 PM
Sep 2020

In 'Editorials' I posted articles on this vital issue today. We don't despair or give up, ever.

mcar

(42,206 posts)
84. OK, I'll blame them...
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 10:02 PM
Sep 2020

too.

But I will never forgive or forget the Sarandon types who wanted to bring on the "revolution," never considering how the interim would affect actual people.

I will never forgive the Stein voters, the "I'm going to vote my conscience voters" who left DU to form that cesspool JPR, the people who wrote in Bernie's name (not blaming him), and the so-called progressives who voted for IMPOTUS because HRC was "worse."

 

SlogginThroughIt

(1,977 posts)
96. No. Those people spread constant disinformation.
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 10:28 PM
Sep 2020

Fuck them. We all warned then this is where we would end up and now here we are. Fuck them. Hell their rhetoric helped to keep people at home and not vote.

MrsCoffee

(5,801 posts)
154. The whole goal of those "leftists" you speak of was DIVISION.
Sat Sep 19, 2020, 10:55 AM
Sep 2020

Don’t pretend that calling the behavior out is the problem. I’m so sick of that bullshit narrative.

TALK about it. Remind people. Don’t let the assholes divide us again.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
174. It was if their numbers were greater than the amount by
Sat Sep 19, 2020, 05:04 PM
Sep 2020

which Dotard beat Hillary in the swing states.

At least they voted, and could have prevented it.

DFW

(54,047 posts)
33. Nor will I. EVER
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 08:48 PM
Sep 2020

Even back then, I was screaming (to the few willing to listen): it's THE SUPREME COURT, STUPID!

I am tired of every new Democratic administration that comes in being buried with the task of damage control, and then losing the next election because they never finished a job that has no end.

mcar

(42,206 posts)
88. Remember how they said it wasn't important
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 10:05 PM
Sep 2020

So many of us said it, over and over. The purists didn't listen, didn't care.

It is what it is. They bear responsibility.

DFW

(54,047 posts)
110. I'm not giving up my German legal residence any time soon.
Sat Sep 19, 2020, 12:40 AM
Sep 2020

If I want to stay married, I couldn't do it even if the USA were paradise on earth.

37. Amen
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 08:55 PM
Sep 2020

You might not like everything about the democratic nominee, but I bet People like Sarandon know there's a grand canyon worth of difference between RBG and Kavanaugh. Presidents come and go, supreme court justices serve decades. I was 18 in 1980 when Reagan got elected, he appointed Scalia. When Scalia died, I was meeting with financial planners for my retirement. So to all the green voters and people who stayed home, enjoy 30 years of the supreme court ruling against everything you stand for in your adult life, women's rights, civil rights, labor laws, the environment and on and on.

I'll give conservatives one thing, they understand there are 3 branches of government.

mntleo2

(2,535 posts)
41. Look as a Bernie person I DID voted for HRC
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 09:06 PM
Sep 2020

...most of we Bernieites voted for HRC in spite of the shenanigans we saw in our own state as well as around the country with HRCers trying to shut us up. Oh yes, they went there, I saw it with my own eyes in my own caucuses. She is a former Walmart board member, pretended that forcing women into lifelong poverty by working McJobs that did not even assist them with healthcare or childcare, voted for the Iraq war, need I go on?

But hey, I voted for her because she was better than tRump. m'kay? BTW as Bernie counseled us to do.

And I will also vote for Biden in spite of the fact I dislike him intensely for some of the things he did while being a senator such as voting against the bankruptcy bill, for that evil piece of s**t Negroponte to be the Iraq ambassador to Iraq who blessed the death squads in South America when he was ambassador there, for the demonization of the poor with Welfare DEFormed, for the Iraq war, and the list goes on and on with me.

Please PLEASE stop blaming us for something we did not do! I am sick to death of that rhetoric and I WILL forgive you all for supporting such things! Like what happened in Florida with Nadar, Dems like to "forget" that turncoat DEMOCRATS crossed the aisle in Florida and voted for Bu$h. Nothing near what damage Nadar voters did.

Should I hate and refuse to forgive you for that? For the needless blame and practiced blindness I saw? No! It is over and done with and all I can do is keep my eyes open and hold whoever is elected accountable. Biden is already against universal healthcare (which is what he was voting against with the bankruptcy bill). Believe me he will hear about that and I will not be the only one. Remember Occupy...

I say all these things to remind us all that there is good reason to be mad about those things as far as I am concerned. But it is not time to divide us. It is time to unite us. Of all the times it is needed now!

Cat in Seattle

mntleo2

(2,535 posts)
116. Good Question!
Sat Sep 19, 2020, 01:45 AM
Sep 2020
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=mkay

"Made popular by Mr. Mackey on the Comedy Central show South Park. Said after every sentence. Used in Place of ok.
"I want you boys to settle down, Mkay?"

Hope this helps ...

AngryOldDem

(14,061 posts)
104. I am the same, and I read the OP quite differently
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 10:41 PM
Sep 2020

There were people who threw the equivalent of a preschooler’s temper tantrum who either sat it out or went for the fringe in 2016, to make some kind of “point.” They, as much as the Trumpers, do share a great deal of the blame for where we are now, and I don’t know if I can ever forgive or forget them for that.

I supported Bernie as well, but voted for HRC because I saw the looming danger with Trump, and my issues with her were trifling compared to the threat Trump posed to the country at large. Pettiness and spite from some on the Left, as much as hatred and ignorance from some on the Right, have got us to this point. That cannot happen this time around.

And you are absolutely correct — the leaders we elect must be held accountable to us, the people — which is why we must not let another election go to Trump. If that happens, debating political niceties and the fine points of governing will be nothing but a quaint exercise.






mntleo2

(2,535 posts)
111. Yeah they were mostly young voters
Sat Sep 19, 2020, 12:48 AM
Sep 2020

...Old farts like me have gone way past the purity tests. I am not sure what can be done for those youthful voters except pray they will mature enough to not demand purity when in fact there is nobody who is perfect. At one time I was there as well so I understand why it seems to make sense.

I am an FDR Democrat and so is Bernie in so many ways. I think those who see themselves as "progressive" do not know what true liberals are about. Biden is no liberal. He is way better than tRump this is so true, but he will be a disappointment in many ways. He already has been that for me for years, lol.

These young people do not know a thing about FDR or his incredible wife Eleanor. Most people who call themselves liberal drink the kool-aid that being "Socialist" is somehow bad. Errrm what do we call most of Europe but dah dah daaaa Democratic Socialists?

Ah well, I am a bit touchy about all this because of the unreasonable blame heaped upon most of us when we were not part of the purity bunch and to tell you the truth I am not one of these other liberals either. I am an old long time activist and believe me I have seen enough hypocrisy by my own "side" to gag a maggot. LOL!

Cat in Seattle

JI7

(89,172 posts)
122. FDR supported internment of Japanese Americans. It's nice you are ok with that
Sat Sep 19, 2020, 02:11 AM
Sep 2020

but blame a young Hillary Clinton for every problem in the world.

BannonsLiver

(16,161 posts)
180. Don't forget he also turned his back on lynchings in the south
Sat Sep 19, 2020, 05:39 PM
Sep 2020

Because it was politically expedient.

Cha

(295,899 posts)
177. Oh yeah? FDR had so many Coalitions like VP
Sat Sep 19, 2020, 05:34 PM
Sep 2020
Joe Biden.. that's how he was able to get so many things done.

Thank Goodness Both of them did/have.



betsuni

(25,122 posts)
115. At Hillary's request, Walton set up an environmental advisory group. "Hillary's store" was an
Sat Sep 19, 2020, 01:16 AM
Sep 2020

eco-store opened in 1993 in Kansas. Skylights cut energy use and was widely copied by the industry. Consumers could bring in used motor oil and batteries for recycling.

She pushed Walton to support a corporate tax program financing a major education overhaul in Arkansas.

Gary Mauro, who on was the Walmart Environmental Advisory Board, said "Did Hillary like all of Walmart's practices? No. But was Walmart a better company with better practices because Hillary was on the Board? Yes."

As the first woman board member of Walmart, her issues were more women in management and a comprehensive environmental program.

How is any of this bad? Don't you want companies' feet to be held to the fire?

Response to betsuni (Reply #115)

betsuni

(25,122 posts)
121. That's the propaganda fantasy Hillary. Wrong. Her class? She's from a middle class background.
Sat Sep 19, 2020, 02:11 AM
Sep 2020

My, my. A middle class Methodist liberal do-gooder is "1% enabler" "elitist who only thought about her class" and had "no idea of the real struggles of average Americans"? You should look up Hillary's record. Blaming Hillary for Walmart and mocking her efforts at environmentalism? Oh, dear. Hillary thinks of "women of all colors and classes" of "ignorant, uneducated peons" who are "poster-children for her causes"?

Propaganda sure works on some people.

Cha

(295,899 posts)
185. I think of FDR as a Democratic President who had a Huge Coalition
Sat Sep 19, 2020, 07:23 PM
Sep 2020

and got important legislature Accomplished.

Having a large amazingly Diverse Coalition helped Joe Biden on his journey to become our Democratic Nominee for President 2020.

And, here are.

JI7

(89,172 posts)
117. Democrats who voted for Bush were conservatives. Greens are Frauds
Sat Sep 19, 2020, 01:55 AM
Sep 2020

who claim to be liberal but are just grifters who want Republicans to win.

dansolo

(5,376 posts)
201. Except you are still doing it
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 07:06 AM
Sep 2020

I don't care if you personally voted for Clinton. You are still giving cover to everyone who refused to vote for her.

"in spite of the shenanigans we saw in our own state as well as around the country with HRCers trying to shut us up"

This is complete and utter bullshit, and this is exactly what the OP is referring to.

OldManTarHeel

(435 posts)
44. I'm not sure that I have a comment to this other than
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 09:12 PM
Sep 2020

some folks have f*cked themselves in a big way.

Dumbass sh!theads.

FelineOverlord

(3,554 posts)
45. I will NEVER FORGIVE THOSE FUCKING ASSHOLES WHO REFUSED TO VOTE FOR HILLARY IN 2016
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 09:12 PM
Sep 2020

I am on Twitter a lot.

I have blocked on Twitter all the toxic people and their followers who brought this on us:

The right wingers AND the left wingers.

Shapiro, Kirk, Lahren, Coulter, Grenell, and almost all GOP MOC.

Sarandon, West, Moore, Gray, Sirota, Grim, Knight, and Turner.

I didn't have to block Jill Stein -- she blocked me. So did Kobach. And Chachi.

I haven't been sparring with the extreme "purists" lately - I just block them. I gave up. They are as cult-like as MAGAts. They were just awful during the primaries.

Although I would have voted for ANY of the Democratic candidates who ran if they won the nomination.

I try to tweet as much positive things about Joe and Kamala as I can.



Chili

(1,725 posts)
52. I think I love you
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 09:27 PM
Sep 2020


I block EVERY SINGLE TRUMP FREAK I read. BLOCK you. Go BLOCK yourself. Kiss my BLOCKING ass.

I don't even tell 'em. Block. Block. Block. Hope twitter never puts a limit on that, or I'm screwed, LOL. I read threads now and think, wow, no trumpists today?

Feels maaaahvolous.

FelineOverlord

(3,554 posts)
63. I think I love you
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 09:40 PM
Sep 2020


Jill blocked me because I asked her when she was getting her next orders from Putin.

Chachi blocked me because I laughed at one of his tweets.

Kris Kobach blocked me when he was still the SOS of Kansas. He must have seen one of my tweets about him because I never had responded to him directly. This was when he was investigating "voter fraud."

I also have been blocked by some people from OANN and Breitbart (that Breitbart guy was thrown out of a Beto rally a week later so I guess i was on the right track).

A white supremacist type blocked me because I tweeted him a photo of Eisenhower with ANTIFA written on it.

It's a fun game. I just can't help it sometimes.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,096 posts)
73. And not just the ones who actually didnt vote for her but the ones who did but made sure
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 09:52 PM
Sep 2020

everyone they knew, everyone they came into contact with at the barber shop, beauty parlor, grocery store knew how they had to HOLD THEIR NOSE to vote for her because she was so bad.

Dont ask them why she is bad because all they really know is rightwing and Russian talking points that have been repeated for 30 years.

Chili

(1,725 posts)
83. oh you are awesome!
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 10:01 PM
Sep 2020

I try not to respond directly to anyone because I lose my temper and get virulent, and I don't want to do that. But I will retweet and comment without profanity, it's the least I can do! But oh those biggies who block you!

And I love your nick, too - I have 6 cats - 2 strays and 4 ferals - that I take care of. I'm currently replacing my rotting fencing in the backyard and putting cat-bars on top so they can't get out... not because I want to control them, but there is a pit that gets loose who lives too close, and a coyote was after them once, and I'd hate for any new neighbors to complain (hasn't happened... yet) so... it's going to be a big catio for them.

BainsBane

(53,001 posts)
55. Al Giordano just blocked me
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 09:30 PM
Sep 2020

because he was made that I said that white men weren't as vulnerable before the court as people of color, LGBTQ, and women. I guess Al has more in common with Trump than we thought.

Morgunn47

(7 posts)
47. Democrat House & Senate
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 09:17 PM
Sep 2020

We need to get both houses and then we would have the ability to add justices to the supreme court. I'd say 4 nice young liberal ones. That would counter the repubs bullshit nominees.

BainsBane

(53,001 posts)
54. They got the SCOTUS they wanted
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 09:28 PM
Sep 2020

They insisted that the court didn't matter. It didn't to them, in fact they voted for a GOP court to prop up White male supremacy. There is a reason they allied themselves with fascism. There is nothing accidental about any of this.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,096 posts)
75. Their niece or granddaughter will want an abortion and have to risk their lives to get one
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 09:55 PM
Sep 2020

and I hope they ask the family member who did this to them why they did it.

Or their cousin will want to marry same gender and cant.

BainsBane

(53,001 posts)
80. Or they'll want to force their girlfriend to have one
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 09:59 PM
Sep 2020

because face it, they don't give a shit about the women in their lives. If they did, they'd have voted for Hillary.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,096 posts)
82. HAtred of Women and love of guns is what they are all about.
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 10:01 PM
Sep 2020

Here is the worst part, do they have enough power to not only overturn Roe but make abortion a federal crime?

They do if putin takes over with MM and rump...

The only solace is blue states will do the adult thing, red states wont. But you can live in a blue state, works for Gay rights also, but this is why I am pretty sure real bad things are coming, courts wont matter.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,096 posts)
60. I was this angry BEFORE the great RBG died, but now the damage is going to be
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 09:38 PM
Sep 2020

so overwhelming.

But hey I wanted what I wanted and I wasnt gonna get it so fuck everybody else...that is what they said


So it is clear I am stating what THEY Said...what the Hillary BASHERS said

Eliot Rosewater

(31,096 posts)
77. No lets forget them, they never vote..the folks we are talking about are very active
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 09:57 PM
Sep 2020

politically and went out of their way to FUCK THIS COUNTRY FOR GOOD

MH1

(17,537 posts)
97. THIS.
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 10:29 PM
Sep 2020

The non-voters are non-voters. (some of them are only non-voters because of roadblocks that the privileged don't face)

It's the fucking activist extremists that didn't give a flying fuck about women's rights. That went out of their way to convince others to not vote for Hillary. THOSE people ARE the problem.

Rizen

(703 posts)
64. They're no different from children making noise.
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 09:41 PM
Sep 2020

Bernie or busters, green party, non voters... We told you VOTE FOR THE SUPREME COURT!

Cha

(295,899 posts)
66. And, Especially those who Lied about Hillary &
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 09:44 PM
Sep 2020

trump.. said she was worse than trump & got their fans to follow them off the cliff. Privileged Assholes don't give a Shit and the whole World Suffers.

Blast them right to Hell & may they Rot for Eternity.

I'm sure they're GD happy right now in their Million $$$$$ homes.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,096 posts)
79. Many of us talked about how bad a mistake it was to act so childish after the election
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 09:59 PM
Sep 2020

was stolen, well I dont remember seeing a single one of them apologize.

Cha

(295,899 posts)
94. Yes they need to take those they helped
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 10:17 PM
Sep 2020

so much with them and start with the evil fuck enabler mitch the ugly turtle.

RGB mcar

mcar

(42,206 posts)
74. Anyone who voted Stein, didn't vote, voted IMPOTUS,
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 09:53 PM
Sep 2020

or wrote in Bernie's name (not blaming him)

are responsible for this - all of it. 200,000 dead American, an economy in tatters and a SCOTUS that could be far right for the next 40 years.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,096 posts)
81. And not ONE of them that I know of has apologized or admitted they were wrong
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 10:00 PM
Sep 2020

They spend all their time stalking true patriots.

mcar

(42,206 posts)
85. They are here, tonight,
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 10:03 PM
Sep 2020

on this terrible night, continuing to rationalize and deflect.

I feel broke tonight, Eliot. I'm so tired and angry.

At the same time, I know I will continue to fight, here in FL, to turn this fcking state blue.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,096 posts)
87. Yes, they are, they stalk me constantly...i feel bad but I also know that putin and GOP are going
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 10:05 PM
Sep 2020

to render courts meaningless if they steal, so we have to prevent that.

We can fix this after the election, we can...but how many ballots will traitor DeJoy holdup, I think he will order the employees not to postmark them.

Right now as we discuss this horrible nightmare and all the harm to people, their ONLY concern is try and trip one of us up...own the libs. They HATE liberals.

Woodycall

(259 posts)
86. You can say that but remember...
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 10:03 PM
Sep 2020

that the truth is that a large percentage of those "assholes" you speak of were "people of color". That's a statistical fact. And I don't think you really want to go there... Think and do the research before you make such statements please.

Tumbulu

(6,267 posts)
108. Let's see the statistics.
Fri Sep 18, 2020, 11:06 PM
Sep 2020

I don’t think so.

All those in love with Jill Stein that I knew were privileged white people who grew up in rich households. Rich enough to be pure.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
143. Especially from someone who states that they are "undecided" about who they support for POTUS.
Sat Sep 19, 2020, 09:29 AM
Sep 2020

betsuni

(25,122 posts)
133. Besides new voter ID laws, "A more important explanation for the drop in African American turnout
Sat Sep 19, 2020, 02:38 AM
Sep 2020

had to do with Obama and Clinton themselves. When Obama ran in 2008 and 2012, black turnout was over 5 percentage points higher than it had been for any election on record. Obama's two campaigns confirmed research showing that African Americans' in-group identity -- their identification with blacks as a group -- impacts how they think and act in politics. ... It was arguably unrealistic to expect similarly high levels of black turnout for a white Democratic candidate in 2016."

"According to the Census Bureau's Current Population Survey, the percentage of blacks who turned out declined from 66 percent of eligible voters in 2012 to 59 percent in 2016."

From "Identity Crisis"

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
141. POC are in most voting demographics, and yes there are some Trump supporters of Color.
Sat Sep 19, 2020, 09:26 AM
Sep 2020

Trying to smack down anyone for criticizing opposing HRC with POC will not get you very far here on DU.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
145. You may want to tell that to those here who stated that Dems in southern states that went for Biden
Sat Sep 19, 2020, 09:32 AM
Sep 2020

"didn't matter" because those states usually didn't go Democratic in the General. They are in large part POC.

BTW - I notice that you're "undecided" about who you're going to support for POTUS.

Response to still_one (Original post)

herding cats

(19,549 posts)
112. Grudges don't mater now. It's over.
Sat Sep 19, 2020, 12:50 AM
Sep 2020

They won and we lost. Very possibly for the next generation, at the least.

People were played, yes. But, it's all ancient history now. Or, it will be viewed by historians as such. All those pages have already turned.

The fix is in and this is our end. Not a single person on the left did anything but lose massively in the end.

ecstatic

(32,566 posts)
113. I'm with you. I could write
Sat Sep 19, 2020, 12:53 AM
Sep 2020

an entire "F*** You" speech right now but I think it's time to sign off for the night.

JI7

(89,172 posts)
131. The ones who hated her also hated RBG . They got their perverted sleaze Kavanaugh
Sat Sep 19, 2020, 02:28 AM
Sep 2020

on the court. It's exactly what they wanted.

Response to still_one (Original post)

dicksmc3

(262 posts)
147. GET OUT AND VOTE!!
Sat Sep 19, 2020, 09:38 AM
Sep 2020

We can't let the republiCONS keep screwing with our democracy. It's time for ALL TO GET OUT AND VOTE!! Forget about Hillary, she's not on the ballot, we must come together for BIDEN-HARRIS.. When we win this battle in November we can then start talking about what Democrats will do to even up the justice in the country. If that means COURT PACKING for the Biden administration, so be it. The republiCONS have done this for way too long. Time for payback!!

Aristus

(66,075 posts)
150. And they're still reveling in their douchebaggery, too.
Sat Sep 19, 2020, 09:40 AM
Sep 2020

Smugly blithering about how Joe Biden has to “earn” their vote...

llashram

(6,265 posts)
156. I can never just like you
Sat Sep 19, 2020, 12:24 PM
Sep 2020

yet that water of 2016 is way down the river. We must vote and get out the vote to unsully the waters of the progress we were making before the orange menace was installed by the PTB here and in Russia.

StarzGuy

(254 posts)
160. That anger should also apply to...
Sat Sep 19, 2020, 01:18 PM
Sep 2020

...those who said, "there is no difference between the parties" and simply could not be bothered to vote. In addition I'd add those who voted for a third party on the ballot. Minority voters need to vote in mass this time like they did when Obama was running.

I think the later groups are the key to a victory this time as well. If they don't turn out in numbers like for Obama tRumpf will win the electoral college again. This will continue the destruction of our democracy

marieo1

(1,402 posts)
165. Orange blob
Sat Sep 19, 2020, 01:50 PM
Sep 2020

I won't forget or forgive either......they gave us this orange blob...........disgusting!!

chwaliszewski

(1,514 posts)
166. Please, just stop....
Sat Sep 19, 2020, 02:15 PM
Sep 2020

just let it go and focus on this election. All of your anger only hurts you, not any of them. Keep your eye on the upcoming prize.

Zing Zing Zingbah

(6,496 posts)
170. I don't want discourage people from
Sat Sep 19, 2020, 03:24 PM
Sep 2020

voting for Biden and other dems that didn't vote for Hillary the last time. Holding a grudge isn't going to fix anything.

dlk

(11,425 posts)
171. Do you mean the narcissists who required being "excited" by a candidate?
Sat Sep 19, 2020, 04:05 PM
Sep 2020

They own their part in this debacle.

titanicdave

(429 posts)
172. ......I'm RIGHT BEHIND YOU, STILL......
Sat Sep 19, 2020, 04:18 PM
Sep 2020

they are fucking idiots who left .......OUR...COUNTRY....in...ruins.......

still_one

(91,937 posts)
187. Who could have guessed he was a racist, sexist, and bigot. Calling Mexican immigrants rapists who
Sat Sep 19, 2020, 07:30 PM
Sep 2020

were bringing crime and drugs to the U.S. which was what his campaign promise to build a wall to keep those terrible immigrants out of the country was all about, or his call to ban all Muslims coming to the U.S. Who would have known?

Or his constant racist and sexist dog whistles on the campaign trail, who could've guessed.

The birthism, Access Hollywood tapes, and multiple other incidents of racism and sexism, who could have known?

As if it was necessary for Hillary to warn us about trump.

Yes, I knew about trump long before 2016, and his long history of racism all the way back to the 70's, along with his shady business dealings, and multiple bankruptcies of his various business enterprises

For those that were not that familiar with that past, there was no ambiguity about where he was coming from when he ran for president in 2016, because his racism, sexism, and bigotry was on full display during the 2016 campaign

betsuni

(25,122 posts)
189. He's been on the covers of tabloids since the 80s, has planned to run, or actually run for president
Sat Sep 19, 2020, 07:44 PM
Sep 2020

many times. I just learned that was why he married Marla Maples, because he was planning to run and thought she could help him appeal to Southerners. He's been a celebrity forever. And somehow nobody knew about him? I don't get it.

still_one

(91,937 posts)
190. and we didn't have to go back that far, just observe the campaign he ran on. He didn't even
Sat Sep 19, 2020, 07:48 PM
Sep 2020

try to hide his racism, sexism, or bigotry


betsuni

(25,122 posts)
193. That's really the point, isn't it. He hid nothing, everything out loud in public.
Sat Sep 19, 2020, 08:00 PM
Sep 2020

We all saw it. And yet he was given the thing that's NEVER given to Democrats, especially Hillary: the benefit of the doubt. He didn't really mean that. And we know his supporters loved the racism, sexism, bigotry because he was "telling it like it is."

Like an extreme version of The Emperor's New Clothes.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
204. ! Of course. But I have never read any predictions that he
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 08:05 AM
Sep 2020

would dismantle, infect and control every govt institution. He would snub every govt tradition. That he would bribe foreign govts for his own benefit. Separate children from parents and lock them in cages.that he would gas peaceful protestors, That he would hide a deadly airborne virus and 200k + people would die and then say "it is what it is."

We didn't even, at a minimum, censure the monster when he did these things. And waited 3 yrs to impeach on ukraine only.

Go back and read Rep Steve Cohen's D-TN articles of impeachment he introduced on Nov 15 2017. The ones Dems ignored. Most prescient. And this was when IQ45s approvals were the lowest, in mid to upper 30s. When the stopping of this murderous freight train *might have worked.

betsuni

(25,122 posts)
205. It was obvious. "The ones Dems ignored." Why are you blaming Democrats?
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 08:21 AM
Sep 2020

He ran as an "outsider" when he planned to or ran for president since the eighties.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
208. We will never know. It sure did give Republicans an excuse. Will never
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 12:20 PM
Sep 2020

forget the words of a Republican after Mueller report..." No, not gonna read it. If there was anything there Dems would be pouncing on it."

But this is not primarily about us or anyone else slowing him or not slowing him down. Despite it being a natural question. It is merely about how no one I know of (send me if you know) fully predicting the utter catastrophe that has been trump. Negligent homicide, child cruelty, treason.

Jopin Klobe

(779 posts)
181. Again - Hillary won the popular vote ...
Sat Sep 19, 2020, 05:48 PM
Sep 2020

... by approximately 3,000,000 votes ...

... nobody to blame but the politically rigged, so-called "Electoral College" ...

... and not campaigning worth a damn in at least three states ...

Beacool

(30,244 posts)
188. Neither will I.
Sat Sep 19, 2020, 07:33 PM
Sep 2020

The Bernie supporters who didn't vote for Hillary and the Jill Stein voters can all go to HELL!!!!

I would have voted for a turnip over Trump. I preferred Hillary, but if Bernie had been the nominee, I would have voted for him.

We are in a living hell thanks to Trump, I'll never forgive those on the Left who refused to vote for Hillary.


UCmeNdc

(9,589 posts)
197. IMHO Hillary really won in 2016. Trump had the Russians do something in the swing states.
Sat Sep 19, 2020, 09:32 PM
Sep 2020

Hillary won.

Look at Trump's character. He will do anything to win. Look at Manafort and his Russian connections. Why did they give the Russians key voter data before the election?

Why did Trump spend so much campaign money on Cambridge Analytica, a data company based in Great Britain but had deep Russian connections to Putin?

IMHO to know how to flip the voting machines in key states.

In all of the investigations no one has really investigated Trump's money and his money connected to the Russians. Not really investigated how vulnerable the in person voting system is to computer hacking.

IMHO that is why Trump hates voting by mail. It leaves a paper trail which you cannot hack.

So I really believe Hillary Clinton actually won the 2016 election. Trump cheated.
Trump wants to cheat again in 2020 IMHO.

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