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catbyte

(34,333 posts)
Sun Aug 9, 2020, 09:33 AM Aug 2020

I know folks have problems with Steve Schmidt, but if Churchill & Stalin could team up to take down

Hitler from 1941-1945 then I'll work with Never Trumpers until November. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend."




Unrolled thread:

I find it necessary to reach for the language and colorful colloquialisms of my native land, New Jersey, in order to express my feelings about today’s event in Bedmimster. It was a fucking travesty. Truly. An utter Fucking disgrace. The President of /1

the United States of America stood behind the Seal of his office framed by American flags and his private club’s membership slurring and raving about his victimization. His titanic self pity was only exceeded by his dishonesty and uncontrolled lying. His lying was only /2.

Subordinate to his staggering idiocy, ignorance, ineptitude and incompetence. The incompetence, even after all this time, shocks the conscience. 162,000 Americans are dead and the economy is shattered. So many more will die. The evictions, foreclosures and small business closings 3/

are just beginning. We are in the early hours of one of the greatest tragedies in our countries history. None of it had to be, but it has happened because Donald Trump is President. His malice, stupidity, ego and insecurity are a lethal combination. He has wrecked this country 4/

in less than four years. He has induced a national nosedive, a decline that is precipitous, dangerous and humiliating. The world is more dangerous. American soldiers are hunted like animals by Taliban killers who are paid bounties by Russian killers and Trump does nothing 5/

But KowTow to Putin and advance his agenda. Trump has divided the country and pitted Americans against each other. He has loosed violence against Peacefully assembled US Citizens and deployed militarized paramilitary forces to escalate tensions in American cities in the name of /6

Law and order when the real purpose and mission is to stoke the embers of chaos and create Fear. Fear, built on a mountain of lies, is the Autocrats sword and shield. Trump stokes fear to abuse his power and press forward with his assaults on the rule of law, our essential 7/

Institutions and our national comity all in the name of his corruption, aggrandizement and cult of personality. It is a despicable hour in the life of this country. This will be ended because it must end. We will lose the country if Trump isn’t repudiated. Make no mistake 8/

About the intentions of a President who is openly undermining the 231 year old tradition of American elections. He is undermining the legitimacy of the coming election with no regard for the consequences to liberal democracy here and around the world. Fascism didn’t rise 9/

In the thirties because it was strong. It rose because Democracy was weak. American Democracy is weak, decayed and led by an illiberal man who, I’d he could would cancel the election, lock up his political opponents, enrich his friends and remain in power for life 10/

Trump is the greatest failure in American History. No American has failed history’s test in a more spectacular fashion. His stoking of racial tensions and a cold civil war in our land will live in infamy. His disgrace will be eternal.@ProjectLincoln
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I know folks have problems with Steve Schmidt, but if Churchill & Stalin could team up to take down (Original Post) catbyte Aug 2020 OP
The Trump cult is a mortal danger to America and must be utterly destroyed. dalton99a Aug 2020 #1
I don't care what they were DownriverDem Aug 2020 #16
+1. I welcome ammunition from all quarters. dalton99a Aug 2020 #17
++1 myccrider Aug 2020 #28
Excellent! SheltieLover Aug 2020 #2
FDR and Churchill Trumpocalypse Aug 2020 #3
I HAD North Shore Chicago Aug 2020 #4
Churchill once said that if Hitler invaded Hell thucythucy Aug 2020 #5
Thanks for printing that out!!! marble falls Aug 2020 #6
... Cirque du So-What Aug 2020 #7
I'm a liberal and I think Steve Schmidt rocks. Joinfortmill Aug 2020 #8
I did too until he went to work for Howard Schultz in the moonscape Aug 2020 #14
Steve Schmidt should be on national TV ads with that, for the next 3 months bucolic_frolic Aug 2020 #9
It really should be "The enemy of my enemy is my temporary ally." tclambert Aug 2020 #10
Some here seem to have a problem even with that 'temporary' empedocles Aug 2020 #15
Lay down with dogs... zipplewrath Aug 2020 #24
Agree. Carville's fear that trump is weakening, 'but what will the Dem's do' - empedocles Aug 2020 #27
I'll work with them, for sure. Gore1FL Aug 2020 #11
Trump cult is a mortal danger to THEMSELVES and the very things they depend on. usaf-vet Aug 2020 #12
That's a good analogy. GoCubsGo Aug 2020 #13
Yep. I fully expect to fight almost everything that Schmidt, Rick Wilson, Bill Kristol, etc. catbyte Aug 2020 #19
Bullet doesn't care what gun fired it... N_E_1 for Tennis Aug 2020 #18
Plus, he's really good wryter2000 Aug 2020 #20
He is absolutely right. wendyb-NC Aug 2020 #21
I sure like this unrolled thread and have bookmarked it. PatrickforO Aug 2020 #22
"Trump is the greatest failure in American History." Paladin Aug 2020 #23
We don't need to forget who these men and women were in the past . . . peggysue2 Aug 2020 #25
But he's a businessman, Steve. moondust Aug 2020 #26

DownriverDem

(6,226 posts)
16. I don't care what they were
Sun Aug 9, 2020, 11:32 AM
Aug 2020

as long as they want to get rid of trump. Same for Morning Joe. Every morning he and the panel attack trump et al, but folks want to keep bringing up the past.

myccrider

(484 posts)
28. ++1
Mon Aug 10, 2020, 05:43 AM
Aug 2020

There’s a line from a story I read that fits this situation, IMO: “In the matter of allies, you need to ask yourself two things: Can they shoot? And will they aim at your enemy?”

We don’t have to be best friends with these people or trust them unconditionally, but if they shoot in the right direction, I’m all for it. Besides, some may actually see the error of their ways and embrace more liberal positions. I can hope, can’t I?

thucythucy

(8,038 posts)
5. Churchill once said that if Hitler invaded Hell
Sun Aug 9, 2020, 09:48 AM
Aug 2020

he (Churchill) would find kind things to say about the devil.

Joinfortmill

(14,387 posts)
8. I'm a liberal and I think Steve Schmidt rocks.
Sun Aug 9, 2020, 10:39 AM
Aug 2020

It's not a crime to be a conservative; a Republican, on the other hand, may soon be. Vote.

moonscape

(4,673 posts)
14. I did too until he went to work for Howard Schultz in the
Sun Aug 9, 2020, 11:24 AM
Aug 2020

midst of this horror show. With that failure, he's back to what he was doing before, trying to unseat 45. But going with a spoiler candidate for a while to me undercut all his eloquence and fervor.

Glad he's back but ...

bucolic_frolic

(43,044 posts)
9. Steve Schmidt should be on national TV ads with that, for the next 3 months
Sun Aug 9, 2020, 10:42 AM
Aug 2020

The populace is too ignorant to understand what he is saying. And many will never hear it anyway.

tclambert

(11,084 posts)
10. It really should be "The enemy of my enemy is my temporary ally."
Sun Aug 9, 2020, 10:48 AM
Aug 2020

Upon whom I will cast a suspicious eye every moment of our alliance.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
24. Lay down with dogs...
Sun Aug 9, 2020, 12:35 PM
Aug 2020

I'm worried one of these groups will go too far or make a major mistake and Biden and the democrats in general will get attached to it. Guilt by association and all that. I'd rather keep my distance help make it look like a purely internal struggle within the GOP.

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
27. Agree. Carville's fear that trump is weakening, 'but what will the Dem's do' -
Sun Aug 9, 2020, 02:14 PM
Aug 2020

to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

Gore1FL

(21,098 posts)
11. I'll work with them, for sure.
Sun Aug 9, 2020, 11:09 AM
Aug 2020

But I will do my best to see that are not elevated to hero status in the Democratic Party.

usaf-vet

(6,161 posts)
12. Trump cult is a mortal danger to THEMSELVES and the very things they depend on.
Sun Aug 9, 2020, 11:13 AM
Aug 2020

In 85 days we are going to find out just how stupid and dangerous the Trump cult really is

Trump just attacked Social Security and Medicare.
Trump promises permanent cut to payroll tax funding Social Security and Medicare if he's reelected.


https://tinyurl.com/y5jprqll
https://tinyurl.com/y5omsjjr

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142557072

Oh and don't forget Trump and the Republican party are still in courts trying to COMPLETELY KILL the ACA national healthcare.
https://tinyurl.com/y3b9vrs3

GoCubsGo

(32,074 posts)
13. That's a good analogy.
Sun Aug 9, 2020, 11:20 AM
Aug 2020

Schmidt isn't really "on our side." He does have the same goal, however. I would rather be fighting alongside him to attain that goal, than against him. Especially considering the gravity of the situation we are in.

catbyte

(34,333 posts)
19. Yep. I fully expect to fight almost everything that Schmidt, Rick Wilson, Bill Kristol, etc.
Sun Aug 9, 2020, 11:55 AM
Aug 2020

stand for, but I have no qualms about teaming up with them until that thing currently infesting the White House is ejected. Then we can get back to our regularly scheduled programming. We're in an existential battle for the planet and I'm not exaggerating. We need all the help we can get.

N_E_1 for Tennis

(9,664 posts)
18. Bullet doesn't care what gun fired it...
Sun Aug 9, 2020, 11:52 AM
Aug 2020

It’ll still hurt or kill...I just want to be on the side that has the gun.

To be clear...I don’t own or ever will any gun.

wryter2000

(46,023 posts)
20. Plus, he's really good
Sun Aug 9, 2020, 11:59 AM
Aug 2020

IMHO, Republican never Trumpers have more credibility than Democrats to say things like this. There's no question of "partisanship" or "just playing politics."

PatrickforO

(14,558 posts)
22. I sure like this unrolled thread and have bookmarked it.
Sun Aug 9, 2020, 12:15 PM
Aug 2020

I am OK with Schmidt, but remember he is generally conservative - not socially so much, but a believer in market solutions over government ones.

But, you know, we can work with a guy like Schmidt, because he ALSO has something today's Trump party does not - an actual desire to govern us. See, we need conservatives AND progressives AND people in the middle, but for the republic to work, they all have to a) be willing to debate, b) be willing to compromise, and c) be willing to work together in good faith to move us forward.

Trump is the utter, pathetic, disgusting, demonic antithesis of those three characteristics. God, WHY did we elect a guy who has the emotional maturity of a 5 year old playground bully? Why?

Paladin

(28,243 posts)
23. "Trump is the greatest failure in American History."
Sun Aug 9, 2020, 12:19 PM
Aug 2020

As long as Steve Schmidt remains this vehemently and eloquently opposed to trump, he has my support.

peggysue2

(10,823 posts)
25. We don't need to forget who these men and women were in the past . . .
Sun Aug 9, 2020, 12:49 PM
Aug 2020

Or who and what they supported to admit that they're fighting the good fight in the now. They're fighting with us rather than against us. For the moment, that's all that matters. Because without a decisive win in November, we all lose. Everything.

Steve Schmidt is one of the more eloquent conservative voices out there. Personally, I'm glad he and other Never Trumpers have joined the fight because we need as many voices, shoulders, determined minds as possible to defeat Trump and Trumpism.

We all sense that we're staring into the abyss. Unless we want to pitch forward into the darkness, we'd be well advised to accept any and all help. Even if it's of a temporary nature.

Priorities.

moondust

(19,958 posts)
26. But he's a businessman, Steve.
Sun Aug 9, 2020, 12:52 PM
Aug 2020

You know, one of the wizards who's smart and knows how to create "success" out of thin air! He's not one of those lazy bureaucrats who goes into gubment and takes all your money, doesn't produce anything, and you can't get rid of them. Drain the swamp! And he's surrounded himself with the most successful businessmen who really know how to do stuff or they wouldn't be rich, right? Right, Steve? Amirite?

Perhaps "businessmen" should stick with the "business" of self-enrichment and leave government to those smart enough to understand and manage it for the benefit of The People.

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