Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search
 

denem

(11,045 posts)
Sun Aug 9, 2020, 01:46 AM Aug 2020

Wapo: The mystery of asymptomatic coronavirus cases.

At first it was thought that asymptomtic people who tested positive for SARS-CoV-2 were generally in the incubation phase, and would develop symptoms later. Now it is assumed that atleast 40% of people infected never develop symptoms. The guess that it was only the young and health who remained asymptomatic, was questioned early on, when half the passengers on the Diamond Princess did not develop symptoms. The results from individual clusters are baffling (see table below).

Forty percent of people with coronavirus infections have no symptoms. Might they be the key to ending the pandemic?

... The theory that has generated the most excitement in recent weeks is that some people walking among us might already have partial immunity.

When SARS-CoV-2 was first identified on Dec. 31, 2019, public health officials deemed it a “novel” virus because it was the first time it had been seen in humans who presumably had no immunity from it whatsoever. There’s now some very early, tentative evidence suggesting that assumption might have been wrong.

One mind-blowing hypothesis — bolstered by a flurry of recent studies — is that a segment of the world’s population may have partial protection thanks to “memory” T cells, the part of our immune system trained to recognize specific invaders. This could originate from cross protection derived from standard childhood vaccinations. Or, as a paper published Tuesday in Science suggested, it could trace back to previous encounters with other coronaviruses, such as those that cause the common cold.

“This might potentially explain why some people seem to fend off the virus and may be less susceptible to becoming severely ill,” National Institutes of Health Director Francis Collins remarked in a blog post this past week.

... [One] group was researching blood from people who were recovering from coronavirus infections and wanted to compare that to samples from uninfected controls who were donors to a blood bank from 2015 to 2018. The researchers were floored to find that in 40 to 60 percent of the old samples, the T cells seemed to recognize SARS-CoV-2.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/08/08/asymptomatic-coronavirus-covid/

14 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Wapo: The mystery of asymptomatic coronavirus cases. (Original Post) denem Aug 2020 OP
Fascinating. marybourg Aug 2020 #1
Indeed DeminPennswoods Aug 2020 #8
I'm stoned enough to wonder if a virus could evolve the ability to shut down brewens Aug 2020 #2
I'm wondering about that too, although I'm not stoned. Laffy Kat Aug 2020 #6
The majority of the patients coming to my clinic for testing have been asymptomatic. Aristus Aug 2020 #3
Given the variable incubation period, denem Aug 2020 #4
Right: are they a-symptomatic, or just PRE-symptomatic? Beartracks Aug 2020 #5
From the article DeminPennswoods Aug 2020 #7
Fired off a question, didn't read the article. Beartracks Aug 2020 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author mucifer Aug 2020 #11
Thanks for posting! Buckeye_Democrat Aug 2020 #10
K & R to follow N/T w0nderer Aug 2020 #12
Under this theory shouldn't older people fair better than younger Buckeyeblue Aug 2020 #13
Think about all the germs babies and kids are exposed to DeminPennswoods Aug 2020 #14

brewens

(13,557 posts)
2. I'm stoned enough to wonder if a virus could evolve the ability to shut down
Sun Aug 9, 2020, 02:00 AM
Aug 2020

it's destructive properties randomly and just hang out? That would be a nasty little survival strategy.

Laffy Kat

(16,376 posts)
6. I'm wondering about that too, although I'm not stoned.
Sun Aug 9, 2020, 03:01 AM
Aug 2020

Look at the chickenpox virus, varicella-zoster. It can remain dormant for decades and then returns as shingles. So much we don't know about Covid19. Plus, it's a vascular virus which are rare and we know so little about them. That's why sending children back to school right now really concerns me.

Aristus

(66,307 posts)
3. The majority of the patients coming to my clinic for testing have been asymptomatic.
Sun Aug 9, 2020, 02:15 AM
Aug 2020

They get exposed to the virus from a confirmed COVID patient, and present for testing, completely symptom-free.

DeminPennswoods

(15,273 posts)
7. From the article
Sun Aug 9, 2020, 03:27 AM
Aug 2020
At first it was thought that asymptomtic people who tested positive for SARS-CoV-2 were generally in the incubation phase, and would develop symptoms later. Now it is assumed that attest 40% of people infected never develop symptoms.

Response to Beartracks (Reply #9)

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,853 posts)
10. Thanks for posting!
Sun Aug 9, 2020, 04:22 AM
Aug 2020

That article proved to be far more interesting than I assumed from the title!

Edit: And it almost makes me wish that I hadn't been so careful in the past to avoid the common cold. Lol!

Buckeyeblue

(5,499 posts)
13. Under this theory shouldn't older people fair better than younger
Sun Aug 9, 2020, 05:19 AM
Aug 2020

Based on living a life being exposed to more strands of different types of viruses? Unless underlining health issues prevent the body's response. I've been intrigued by the number of asymptomatic cases as well. It just seems strange that what kills some people does nothing to others.

DeminPennswoods

(15,273 posts)
14. Think about all the germs babies and kids are exposed to
Sun Aug 9, 2020, 07:11 PM
Aug 2020

these days, starting in day care. Then the germs floating around when they start school. These kids just might be getting exposure to a lot more different germs than adults, especially us older cohorts who had stay-at-home moms or grandparents or both to watch us.

Babies are being brought home and taken out and about much earlier, too. My mom was in the hospital for a week after I was born, then I don't think I was taken out much until I was 6 months old. When I worked in retail, I encountered moms out with babies only a few days old!

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Wapo: The mystery of asym...