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jcgoldie

(11,584 posts)
Sat Aug 8, 2020, 11:45 PM Aug 2020

Sold a goat to a MAGA guy today...

A guy who has bought dairy goats from me for several years brought another guy looking for a black buck. I sold him one, I'm always excited to get rid of the bucks... they have limited demand in dairy herds of course. The doelings are like gold and any time I've advertised any they go in just a couple of weeks. But this is my second "buck year" in a row having almost twice as many boys as girls it was something like 16-9. Not too good, but with today's sale only 3 boys left from the spring... so here's why I'm telling the story here...

I loaded this little guy up in his van. He was born in March maybe 60-70 lbs fit in a large carrier. Then I went to the house to make out his registration paper with the dairy goat association and get a syringe with wormer to worm him on his way out. When I get back to the barn the guy steps out of the vehicle with a MAGA Trump 2020 hat on. He didn't have that on before but I would have probably took his $250 anyway given the alternative for these bucks would be somebody's freezer. When I sell them registered they go to breed and oh they do get excited about that!

I just ignored it but on his way out the drive he stops the van and says, "What do you think of my hat?"

My wife looks at me like "oh boy." I said, "Well I think it sucks, but I'm glad I got your money before you asked me that question!"

The guy looks concerned says, "Well you may want to rethink that because you don't want to live in a country where Biden is President."

I smiled and told him, "Look who knows but I've had 3 1/2 years to realize I sure as fuck don't want to live in this America where that hateful fool on your hat is the damn President!"

He peeled right out the driveway. My wife says thats why I don't get as much return business can't keep my mouth shut oh well!

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Sold a goat to a MAGA guy today... (Original Post) jcgoldie Aug 2020 OP
I think you did just right! CaliforniaPeggy Aug 2020 #1
Good story! Bayard Aug 2020 #2
Nope sorry jcgoldie Aug 2020 #3
Oh, the loud ones! MrsMatt Aug 2020 #32
I used to warn my co-workers not to ask me about politics or religion. They would not like my answer Midnight Writer Aug 2020 #4
I'm constantly amused that my co-workers assume I am Christian Buckeyeblue Aug 2020 #26
My state will vote for Biden. 3Hotdogs Aug 2020 #5
My state of Illinois too jcgoldie Aug 2020 #6
LOL! lunatica Aug 2020 #7
WTF. He brought it up and asked a question. You just answered it. GulfCoast66 Aug 2020 #8
Yeah I know there are a lot of vegetarians here... jcgoldie Aug 2020 #10
I'm an agricultural graduate. Originally Animal Science but plant genetics drew me to Agronomy. GulfCoast66 Aug 2020 #15
I am quasi-vegetarian, and wondering about goats. peacebuzzard Aug 2020 #21
Goats would be great to clear it but... jcgoldie Aug 2020 #22
Thanks, sounds great. peacebuzzard Aug 2020 #24
Will definitely be like pets jcgoldie Aug 2020 #25
thanks for heads up on the anemia/worming. peacebuzzard Aug 2020 #27
Just my two cents. Bantamfancier Aug 2020 #36
thanks, I will look them up. peacebuzzard Aug 2020 #45
Yes, we do. Bantamfancier Aug 2020 #50
I loved my little bantams. They are smart. peacebuzzard Aug 2020 #64
Don't know what variety of goats you run. GulfCoast66 Aug 2020 #30
I've had goats for 20 years jcgoldie Aug 2020 #31
I get it. GulfCoast66 Aug 2020 #35
You too bud jcgoldie Aug 2020 #38
Thanks. Really enjoyed the photos. GulfCoast66 Aug 2020 #40
Yep jcgoldie Aug 2020 #41
lol. heartless assassins of vegetation!!! peacebuzzard Aug 2020 #48
beautiful babies. peacebuzzard Aug 2020 #46
Goat's milk ice cream is - well, I don't have a word delicious enough. soldierant Aug 2020 #17
My nephew asked if I wanted a MAGA hat and I told him,,, Captain Zero Aug 2020 #47
Curried Goat! AnnieBW Aug 2020 #59
Good work, and elleng Aug 2020 #9
Well done jcgoldie, well done. nt iluvtennis Aug 2020 #11
your last sentence... thanks for the laugh. n/t orleans Aug 2020 #12
well, it *was* better musette_sf Aug 2020 #13
You know, he might take out his anger on the poor goat now ansible Aug 2020 #14
Everything is political fodder for Magats -- even the seemingly innocuous sale of a goat. diva77 Aug 2020 #16
So you sold a goat to an ass? Sucha NastyWoman Aug 2020 #18
You did the right thing. He tried to get a rise out of you by... brush Aug 2020 #19
I loved my goats pfitz59 Aug 2020 #20
What gets me is that without RW media, these ignorants wouldn't even know WHO is president DFW Aug 2020 #23
I think my reply in a situation like this would have been to furrow my brow and say... Mister Ed Aug 2020 #28
I would have asked him if he was smart enough to own a goat. Vinnie From Indy Aug 2020 #29
Hero of truth! colorado_ufo Aug 2020 #33
Good one! BlueJac Aug 2020 #34
You could get your goats one of these..... well, the sheep like them. flying_wahini Aug 2020 #37
I feel sorry for the goat... n/m orwell Aug 2020 #39
me too:) blueseas Aug 2020 #42
I guess I would have just said HuskyOffset Aug 2020 #43
You said the right thing. Warpy Aug 2020 #44
Good on you! UserNotFound Aug 2020 #49
Applauding you for your candor Ferrets are Cool Aug 2020 #51
I'm glad you got his money first! calimary Aug 2020 #52
Dude is probably sitting at home... ECL213 Aug 2020 #53
Maybe "Then you better start packing because Biden IS going to be president not_the_one Aug 2020 #54
I thought they got goats free with their subscription to relayerbob Aug 2020 #55
I have long ago given up SayItLoud Aug 2020 #56
One way I respond to them is The Wizard Aug 2020 #62
One way I respond to them is The Wizard Aug 2020 #63
Sooo, you got paid skydive forever Aug 2020 #57
He may have bought your goat AnnieBW Aug 2020 #58
Good going. I never would have been so quick. BlancheSplanchnik Aug 2020 #60
Quick question... Grins Aug 2020 #61
Lotsa conservatives say that (you wouldn't want to live in this country if xxx is President). Dyedinthewoolliberal Aug 2020 #65

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,308 posts)
1. I think you did just right!
Sat Aug 8, 2020, 11:49 PM
Aug 2020

You may not get as much return business, but at least you can sleep at night!

Besides, you did sell the goat and get your money.



Bayard

(21,806 posts)
2. Good story!
Sat Aug 8, 2020, 11:50 PM
Aug 2020

You don't by any chance raise Nigerian Drawfs, do you? I may be in the market for another buck.

Buckeyeblue

(5,491 posts)
26. I'm constantly amused that my co-workers assume I am Christian
Sun Aug 9, 2020, 09:07 AM
Aug 2020

I think it's cause I'm white and middle aged. At some point in my mid-20's I lost the urge to advertise my atheism. I decided it was no one else's business. But if someone tries to push their religion on my, I make it perfectly clear where I stand.

3Hotdogs

(12,210 posts)
5. My state will vote for Biden.
Sun Aug 9, 2020, 12:14 AM
Aug 2020

So when I face assholery, I just ignore it. N.J. Elec. College votes aren't gonna change.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
8. WTF. He brought it up and asked a question. You just answered it.
Sun Aug 9, 2020, 12:27 AM
Aug 2020

Plus got cash for a goat that does you no good.

Not sure where you stand on the issue, but my grandfather ran a heard of the to keep his various pieces of land cleared.

Every year we would have a goat roast with a BBQed goat cooked whole. Best meat I’ve ever had. As good as wild venison.

Funny story. We had ESOL classes for our immigrant employees years ago. At the end of the class they had a party and everyone brought in food from their country. Quite a few were Haitian immigrants. They brought a goat dish that was the best thing there. I knew immediately what it was, but none of the other totally Anglo managers had a clue. Their reaction when they realized that they had just eaten goat was priceless.

Have a nice evening.

jcgoldie

(11,584 posts)
10. Yeah I know there are a lot of vegetarians here...
Sun Aug 9, 2020, 12:39 AM
Aug 2020

I understand it. My brother is one. But we eat meat. Its not the primary purpose of my animals, but I have lost a buck to a broken neck. I butchered him myself on the tractor loader and put him in the freezer.
Its the most popular meat the world over although not in the United States because goats can sustain themselves on much poorer quality forage.

Here's the thing about goats for dairy or for meat that is important to me... I used to have cattle and the goats put so little pressure on the land. So very little pressure and its not even commensurate to their size. Take a small pasture of a few acres... just a couple of 1200 lb cows will turn it into a dry lot in summer and a mudhole in winter. You can literally run 30 150 lb full size goats in that same area and it will be lush and diverse... they browse not overgraze and they tread lightly. There will never be mud or much manure to speak of. They are so much more environmentally sustainable that its difficult to even describe it until you've seen pastures and pens. They have a small footprint.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
15. I'm an agricultural graduate. Originally Animal Science but plant genetics drew me to Agronomy.
Sun Aug 9, 2020, 01:10 AM
Aug 2020

But still remember an animal science professor saying that unless Americans started eating more goat we would have an Unsubstantial system in the future. Shipping cattle to the lower Midwest to be fed out from all over the nation is not going to work forever. This was in 1985. He was a smart man.

I’ve finally got my midwestern wife eating lamb and even Venison(yeah, I hunt). I’m hoping goat is next.

And obviously you know your stuff. Like deer, goats are browsers. But like deer, the males goats really do stink when they have their rut on. Which goats always do!

Have a nice evening.

peacebuzzard

(5,124 posts)
21. I am quasi-vegetarian, and wondering about goats.
Sun Aug 9, 2020, 08:34 AM
Aug 2020

I have a county yard of 2 acres close to the city limits; it is unrestricted. It is on a steep hill with dense foliage. The kudzu is here. It would cost a fortune to have landscaped and I love it because of wildlife--deer, bunnies, fox so on. Do you think a few female goats might be helpful? I could fence it all in securely, and try to barn them at night. I think a barn and goats might solve my problem. Thoughts? I would love to have a trail going through so I could walk or trail bike ride but it is so dense with foliage. Do goats eat leaves? I have so many leaves everywhere. I have heard goats were low maintenance. I am going to try to visit someone I know in New Mexico who has a small herd of goats and get more info, but New Mexico has no foliage. I guess she has to buy lots of hay or other food source. Unlike me in the southeast, I am overrun with brush and trash foliage.

jcgoldie

(11,584 posts)
22. Goats would be great to clear it but...
Sun Aug 9, 2020, 08:46 AM
Aug 2020

Goats are NOT low maintenance. Exactly the opposite. You would have to have a barn or dry shed for certain they cannot sit out in the rain and weather. You have to deworm them a few times a year as they are VERY susceptible to parasites which will kill them if you don’t manage it. You also have to trim feet as they weren’t really made for your soft terrain in the southeast. You will also need to buy hay for the winter months and store that in a dry place. The other concern on a lot where you don’t live would be predation. I have livestock guard dogs to keep away coyotes and other dogs.

Thats the most pressing issues that occur to me. That said they will clean that land like nothing else. They love broadleaves and vines woody vegetation thats overgrown. They prefer all of that to grass. In a year or so you won’t have a leaf within 4 or 5 feet of the ground it will be a park.

peacebuzzard

(5,124 posts)
24. Thanks, sounds great.
Sun Aug 9, 2020, 08:54 AM
Aug 2020

I will research the feet trimming, sounds like a minor adjustment. The lady goats would be like outside pets, and if I could get the two acres cleaned up I would be delighted. I live on the property, on a small tract of less than 1/4 acre and the rest is overgrown.

jcgoldie

(11,584 posts)
25. Will definitely be like pets
Sun Aug 9, 2020, 09:04 AM
Aug 2020

If you are in contact with them a lot they will follow you around have very fun personalities. Trimming hooves is not hard just have someone hold them lift each one up and trim it back to hoof shape you can get trimmers from a place like jeffers livestock for $25.. just go easy at 1st if you cut off too much can draw blood but if you ignore it they will be limping with hoofrot. The worming is most important to emphasize if you ignore it will have sick and dead goats. Look up FAMACHA its the easiest way to stay on top of it by checking color of eyelids for anemia.

peacebuzzard

(5,124 posts)
27. thanks for heads up on the anemia/worming.
Sun Aug 9, 2020, 09:11 AM
Aug 2020

I have wormed my own pets for decades; before commercial availability of the ivermectin for dogs I was doing my own vetting.
I lived in veterinarian sparse areas, and had to learn the hard way how to care for pets. I linked into the FAMACHA, great source of info.

Bantamfancier

(363 posts)
36. Just my two cents.
Sun Aug 9, 2020, 02:52 PM
Aug 2020

If goats don’t float your boat, check out Shetland sheep. Very goat like in their eating habits, great mothers, easy lambing. Raised them for 20 years and miss having them around now.

peacebuzzard

(5,124 posts)
45. thanks, I will look them up.
Sun Aug 9, 2020, 04:23 PM
Aug 2020

I am looking forward to this project, my property really needs helpers.
PS do you have bantam chickens? just wondering about your "handle"?

Bantamfancier

(363 posts)
50. Yes, we do.
Sun Aug 9, 2020, 05:11 PM
Aug 2020

My wife and I are 4H advisors in a poultry club. We raise bantams for our younger members to show. Much easier for them to handle and control. Cochins, brahmas, old english, polish, Buckeyes, seebrights and japs.

peacebuzzard

(5,124 posts)
64. I loved my little bantams. They are smart.
Sun Aug 9, 2020, 11:35 PM
Aug 2020

and very social, given a chance. I miss them, too.
I raised chickens for some time, back when life was simpler.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
30. Don't know what variety of goats you run.
Sun Aug 9, 2020, 11:00 AM
Aug 2020

But the ones the folks, including my grandfather in SW Arkansas ran were no maintenance. They were half wild. Lived outside year round and he never fed them or anything. Except in the middle of winter he would drop off hay. There was no barn or any other structure on that land.

He did have to ride the perimeter fence every couple of days because the stupid goats would get their horns wrapped in the barbed wire requiring them to be released.

jcgoldie

(11,584 posts)
31. I've had goats for 20 years
Sun Aug 9, 2020, 11:11 AM
Aug 2020

Several varieties. I have come across a lot of people who make similar claims about low maintenance animal husbandry not deworming or have substandard shelter. In my experience they have a lot of sick goats and they aren't in the business long.

I would not even sell a goat to someone who tells me they have no shelter on their property.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
35. I get it.
Sun Aug 9, 2020, 02:40 PM
Aug 2020

Realize I’m talking about 1975? And my grandfather was probably in his late 60’s. In the poor rural south. He would move his goats from his different land plots to keep the undergrowth down. He may have been worming the in 75 but I guarantee you he did not in 35 or 45. I’m not even sure there was worm medicine back then and he could not have afforded it.

He certainly had a utilitarian outlook to his animals. Because for most of his life what he produced was how his kids ate. If an animal was not doing well it was a simple equation to him: the value of the animal vs the cost of treatment. If the second approached the first the animal was for the stew pot.

It was a tough world being a farmer back before power and decent roads.

And he was a loyal democrat till he died. Because they gave him roads, power and eventually a job that qualified him for Social Security.

Have a nice day. I’d love to see photos of your goats. They are really under appreciated.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
40. Thanks. Really enjoyed the photos.
Sun Aug 9, 2020, 03:28 PM
Aug 2020

Those are the cleanest and healthiest looking goats I have ever seen.

Especially liked the one where the piebald looking one was up on a branch eating a leaf. Most people don’t know how much ability goats have to climb. I’ve even seen them up in leaning live oaks!

You have a safe week.

jcgoldie

(11,584 posts)
41. Yep
Sun Aug 9, 2020, 03:34 PM
Aug 2020

The reason they are swarming like that is a tall one will stand on her hind legs and hook a sapling pulling it down then they all swarm it like piranha... when she lets go its comes back up like a wooden leafless skeleton.

They have gotten loose in my apple orchard or grape arbor a couple of times and they are heartless assassins of vegetation with no conscience whatsoever.

Captain Zero

(6,715 posts)
47. My nephew asked if I wanted a MAGA hat and I told him,,,
Sun Aug 9, 2020, 04:34 PM
Aug 2020

I want TWO of them.

ONE to Shit In, and ONE to cover it up.
 

ansible

(1,718 posts)
14. You know, he might take out his anger on the poor goat now
Sun Aug 9, 2020, 01:07 AM
Aug 2020

Your wife is right, especially when animals are involved that could be abused

diva77

(7,606 posts)
16. Everything is political fodder for Magats -- even the seemingly innocuous sale of a goat.
Sun Aug 9, 2020, 01:13 AM
Aug 2020

I just hope he takes good care of it.

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Interesting hearing about the advantages of goats vs. cattle.

brush

(53,475 posts)
19. You did the right thing. He tried to get a rise out of you by...
Sun Aug 9, 2020, 02:52 AM
Aug 2020

putting on the hat and asking about it. And what a fool as trump has bungled us into an endless cycle of virus spikes and he sees nothing wrong.

DFW

(54,057 posts)
23. What gets me is that without RW media, these ignorants wouldn't even know WHO is president
Sun Aug 9, 2020, 08:47 AM
Aug 2020

Their lives don't change appreciably one way or another. They discuss political happenings that will hardly, if at all, affect their daily lives. If they have one gun or twenty, they will still never see the Taliban riding up their driveways on camels.

They just want to feel superior to some people, and fear other people, so they have something to talk about at the table. But take away Fox Noise or National Hate Radio, and they wouldn't even know that Eisenhower had left the White House.

Mister Ed

(5,896 posts)
28. I think my reply in a situation like this would have been to furrow my brow and say...
Sun Aug 9, 2020, 09:17 AM
Aug 2020

"Well...we gave him a shot at it. Are we great yet?"

That's not the vehement sort of reply I'd like to shoot back at him, but one thing I think I've learned is that it can be much better to ask a question than to make a declaration. Might make 'em think just a little bit. Probably not, but maybe.

HuskyOffset

(885 posts)
43. I guess I would have just said
Sun Aug 9, 2020, 03:56 PM
Aug 2020

"Well, I like to buy American made merchandise myself, but to each his own."

Warpy

(110,913 posts)
44. You said the right thing.
Sun Aug 9, 2020, 04:14 PM
Aug 2020

If he wants good breeding bucks, he'll be back. He might even leave his stupid hat at home.

 

not_the_one

(2,227 posts)
54. Maybe "Then you better start packing because Biden IS going to be president
Sun Aug 9, 2020, 07:43 PM
Aug 2020

and your guy, Putin's puppet, is going to be in jail."

Maybe add, "And please don't come back here again. I am particular about who I do business with, and you have shown that you don't meet my minimum standards for a customer."

SayItLoud

(1,696 posts)
56. I have long ago given up
Sun Aug 9, 2020, 09:18 PM
Aug 2020

trying to converse with maggats. It still drives me up the wall when I see boats with tRUMP flags and neighbors subtly revealing themselves with a tRUMP pennant or sticker but I now just think and internalize this: "I know what you are, I can not change you and I no longer have any respect for you". "I will be neighborly but not engage more than the social graces". And I always think "asshole".

The Wizard

(12,482 posts)
62. One way I respond to them is
Sun Aug 9, 2020, 11:23 PM
Aug 2020

to say "I'm sorry. I don't speak English" in perfect English. I get lots of blank expressions.

The Wizard

(12,482 posts)
63. One way I respond to them is
Sun Aug 9, 2020, 11:25 PM
Aug 2020

to say "I'm sorry. I don't speak English" in perfect English. I get lots of blank expressions.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
60. Good going. I never would have been so quick.
Sun Aug 9, 2020, 10:31 PM
Aug 2020

Their idiotic spewage makes me get overwhelmed with so much they have no idea of, and then I am lost for words.

Grins

(7,134 posts)
61. Quick question...
Sun Aug 9, 2020, 10:56 PM
Aug 2020
“....and get a syringe with wormer to worm him on his way out.”

The goat or the MAGA?

Dyedinthewoolliberal

(15,485 posts)
65. Lotsa conservatives say that (you wouldn't want to live in this country if xxx is President).
Mon Aug 10, 2020, 01:10 AM
Aug 2020

At least they did with Obama and the Kerry swiftboaters said more or less the same thing. Here's what I don't understand when they say that; do we not know who Biden is? Is he going to be somehow radically different than he's been in his 40 years in government? That is a line straight from Rush or Sean or Alex.
Glad you sold the goat and took his money. That's $250 he can't give to Hair Furor!

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