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ancianita

(35,812 posts)
Wed Aug 5, 2020, 11:55 PM Aug 2020

His beloved and mourned mother would kick his ass out of Black History.

If Trump forces machine voting in battleground states, and if our Democratic leadership does not fight with everything it has to keep the national vote by mail...

Trump could win the way he did in 2016. Except with Kanye's help, not Putin's.

Even if every last Black voter voted for Biden, tampered machines (all made by pro-Republican corporations) in battleground states and elsewhere would show half the Black vote tallied for Kanye.

I've appreciated his music and aesthetic, and even thought he was a good guy, though weird at times.

Now I'll never buy another piece of his music.

Black people I've talked to -- friends and former students -- say they won't vote for him and they're pretty sure Black people in general won't either. They know the split-the-vote deal.

But that's not the real deal. The real deal is this:

Detecting machine rigging is harder across three candidates than it is between two. The longstanding polls that measure the nation's candidate preference show who the winner would be.
Machine rigging can beat all that, and not be detected. And now comes Kanye.

Or machine rigging is detected, votes challenged, it ends up being too late to do anything legal about, as was the case with Mueller and the slow moving wheels of rule of law.

It's not with Kanye himself that we as a party fail. We fail AGAIN by not seeing the ruse used last time.

The OTHER real deal that comes AFTER that:

Kanye helping Trump beat down Black people for four more years, and/or drive them out of the U.S. Blacks are leaving, and that's just what NAZI Americans want them to do.

If Kanye's helping Trump, he's hurting Black people and thereby the whole nation.
Kanye needs to learn to stay loyal to his own people, not some fatass, fakeass NAZI who uses him and his Black people as props.

His beloved and mourned mother would kick his ass out of Black History.

At this time in U.S. history, Kanye is worse than a ratfucker.

Kanye is a race traitor.

Fuck that muthafucka.

We must fight for national mail in voting!

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His beloved and mourned mother would kick his ass out of Black History. (Original Post) ancianita Aug 2020 OP
trump won't win the way he did in 2016 unless voters sit at home and/or Hoyt Aug 2020 #1
You're forgetting history. If you think we've got this wrapped up, this is how we fail. ancianita Aug 2020 #3
If we GOTV, we win. It's too late to get a national mail-in vote, BUT Hoyt Aug 2020 #5
The GOTV isn't the point. The rigging is. I hope you're right, because I'm depressed as hell. ancianita Aug 2020 #7
Try keeping that to yourself then BannonsLiver Aug 2020 #19
If you fail to see the doom of rigged third party voting by making this about me, this is how we FAI ancianita Aug 2020 #21
The net effect of the relentless doomsaying is to depress turnout BannonsLiver Aug 2020 #24
See, I would see this as life & death reason TO GOTV. The Negative is half the universe and reality. ancianita Aug 2020 #31
I don't see people who aren't thrilled with Joe voting for Kanye. I doubt his entry into the race napi21 Aug 2020 #2
I'm not saying that and you're missing my point. ancianita Aug 2020 #4
Are you seriously saying: "I'm saying that if ALL Black and ALL white people voted for Kanye..." brush Aug 2020 #11
What is with your use of "notion"? Do you not SEE machine vote count rigging? ancianita Aug 2020 #15
Good luck with that. The third party thing is nowhere near what it was last time... brush Aug 2020 #34
You're still not getting the reason for its sudden appearance. It's a slot. A slot for machine ancianita Aug 2020 #36
I get it. He's not on as many states because he missed many deadlines though. brush Aug 2020 #37
Many? How many? Which states? A quick google can show you his progress. ancianita Aug 2020 #38
Nobody nice says "race traitor." Iggo Aug 2020 #6
I hear you. Nobody nice IS one, either. ancianita Aug 2020 #8
Kanye West is mentally ill and it's a known known, why is a mentally ill person who gets off his med uponit7771 Aug 2020 #9
Precisely malaise Aug 2020 #13
Guys. This is NOT about Kanye. This is about race distraction while machine rigging the vote count. ancianita Aug 2020 #16
He said his mom was his "momager" BigmanPigman Aug 2020 #10
I live in Germany, and had to look this guy up. DFW Aug 2020 #12
He's the latest Jill Stein tool being used to amplify racial discord AND MOSTLY as the name that ancianita Aug 2020 #17
Kanye is not well and he is being used. FM123 Aug 2020 #14
And so are we if we don't use national mail in voting. All 45 needs is Kanye on any machines that ancianita Aug 2020 #18
Yep. FM123 Aug 2020 #20
THANK YOU. SOMEONE, AT LEAST, SEES THIS KANYE THING THE WAY I DO. ancianita Aug 2020 #22
. FM123 Aug 2020 #29
Wait, you actually bought some of his music? panader0 Aug 2020 #23
Don't make my OP about me. You deliberately miss the OP point by doing that. It's not right. ancianita Aug 2020 #25
You made the statement that you liked his music and his "aesthetic", panader0 Aug 2020 #26
No. I admit that in a political context, my musical taste would never guide my politics. ancianita Aug 2020 #27
Kanye West... tonedevil Aug 2020 #28
Obama's review of Kanye--"Jackass". That's good enough for me. panader0 Aug 2020 #30
Obama's comment was hardly a review... tonedevil Aug 2020 #41
This message was self-deleted by its author ancianita Aug 2020 #33
I'm not sure why... tonedevil Aug 2020 #39
Oh crap! I'm so sorry. I misread. I'll delete.Thanks for noting my error. I was just joking anyway. ancianita Aug 2020 #40
Like I said I think we are on the same page... tonedevil Aug 2020 #42
Thanks. I'm glad we are. ancianita Aug 2020 #43
Point 1. The DNC isn't advocating for national mail in voting... brooklynite Aug 2020 #32
I hear you. ancianita Aug 2020 #35
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
1. trump won't win the way he did in 2016 unless voters sit at home and/or
Thu Aug 6, 2020, 12:02 AM
Aug 2020

folks that normally vote for Democrats decide to protest some junk by voting for trump or 3rd party.

GOTV, we win.

ancianita

(35,812 posts)
3. You're forgetting history. If you think we've got this wrapped up, this is how we fail.
Thu Aug 6, 2020, 12:12 AM
Aug 2020

We have GOT to get this national mail in vote. By any means necessary. Even if we have to deliver the votes ourselves to each state commission.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
5. If we GOTV, we win. It's too late to get a national mail-in vote, BUT
Thu Aug 6, 2020, 12:26 AM
Aug 2020

at this moment, any registerEd voter in 34 states can vote by mail for any reason.

Some other states will allow CV19 as an excuse to vote absentee as we approach Nov. There will still be a few states without early voting or mail-in voting. I think Democrats are just as likely, perhaps more likely, to show up at the polls than GOPers. If not, I’d be disappointed.

ancianita

(35,812 posts)
7. The GOTV isn't the point. The rigging is. I hope you're right, because I'm depressed as hell.
Thu Aug 6, 2020, 12:31 AM
Aug 2020

I won't make it alive through the next four years if we lose to this psychopath who, together with his DOJ will chew up and spit out Rule of Law.

ancianita

(35,812 posts)
21. If you fail to see the doom of rigged third party voting by making this about me, this is how we FAI
Thu Aug 6, 2020, 12:13 PM
Aug 2020

FAIL.

BannonsLiver

(16,161 posts)
24. The net effect of the relentless doomsaying is to depress turnout
Thu Aug 6, 2020, 12:21 PM
Aug 2020

If you don’t see how that is possible then that is a FAIL.

And nobody wants a Debbie Downer in their foxhole anyway.

ancianita

(35,812 posts)
31. See, I would see this as life & death reason TO GOTV. The Negative is half the universe and reality.
Thu Aug 6, 2020, 12:53 PM
Aug 2020

If you actually know and can show anything that changes the calculation made by our opponents, I'd be ecstatic.

Namecalling as 'debbie downer' anyone who points out bad news only innoculates others from seeing what has failed before.

Like it or not, difficult or not, it's healthier to see the whole, not just what makes us feel good, or right, or on the right side of history.



napi21

(45,806 posts)
2. I don't see people who aren't thrilled with Joe voting for Kanye. I doubt his entry into the race
Thu Aug 6, 2020, 12:11 AM
Aug 2020

will make any difference at all. I also don't believe the people who make the voting machines would alter them to change the results. One of the strong things those Companies push is the accuracy of the information & not only Co. execs but their sales people & those who actually male them have a degree of pride in their product. They would never alter the info to change the outcome.

ancianita

(35,812 posts)
4. I'm not saying that and you're missing my point.
Thu Aug 6, 2020, 12:13 AM
Aug 2020

I'm saying that if ALL Black and ALL white people voted for Kanye, the rigged count will win battlegrounds.

The only way to counter that is a national mail in ballot.

brush

(53,467 posts)
11. Are you seriously saying: "I'm saying that if ALL Black and ALL white people voted for Kanye..."
Thu Aug 6, 2020, 03:40 AM
Aug 2020

Last edited Thu Aug 6, 2020, 01:04 PM - Edit history (1)

How can you even conceive of such a notion? Shouldn't you clarify that? Black people are not voting for West. We know he's nuts and a trumper who is allowing himself to be used by trump. We are the most pragmatic voters and aren't stupid enough to fall for that as we are interested in getting rid of trump, not waste our vote on some 3rd part nut. And I doubt white Dems are that stupid either. Now some repugs may be, but if they vote for Kanye, so what? That means fewer votes for trump.

And further more, he missed the deadline to get on the ballot in several states and signatures on his petitions are getting scrutiny for maybe not being genuine.

A candidate who has bi-polar episodes and breaks into crying jags on stage and files just three months before the election is not going to have much impact. Certainly not what Putin and the Russkies had in 2016.

ancianita

(35,812 posts)
15. What is with your use of "notion"? Do you not SEE machine vote count rigging?
Thu Aug 6, 2020, 11:37 AM
Aug 2020

Do you not see rigged counts at red state levels?? Do you not see the real deal is not the third person, just their presence in machine voting so that detecting the rigging is that much harder across all the states he's on the ballot for??

How do you not get that simple rigging plan's mechanics is the real deal here?

All your focus on Kanye as a crazy choice is moot -- this is about his name allowing for the mechanical rigging no matter how Blacks and whites think about him -- Kanye is not the point. The rigging in his name is the point.

We can make discussions about him, his personality, the divided wedges between and within races and the loyalty of Blacks to the Democratic Party and vice versa -- but that's not IT.

That is EXACTLY how we failed last time.

How do you not get that simple rigging plan's mechanics is the real deal here?

brush

(53,467 posts)
34. Good luck with that. The third party thing is nowhere near what it was last time...
Thu Aug 6, 2020, 01:06 PM
Aug 2020

as west is late to the party and missed deadlines to get on many state ballots. He's still trying. We'll see how many state ballots he gets on. It'll be nowhere near the impact Stein and Johnson has last time though. Plus there's more scrutiny on machine rigging with no paper trails. It's harder to pull that off and fewer states to do it in, thus a lesser impact on outcomes.

ancianita

(35,812 posts)
36. You're still not getting the reason for its sudden appearance. It's a slot. A slot for machine
Thu Aug 6, 2020, 01:29 PM
Aug 2020

vote deposits for counting to get to 270 at the end. Same as last time. He's not "trying." He's on. States are not using only mail in voting, they're using live polling machine districts and precincts, as well.

Scrutiny is not proof. The proof can only come before machines get the first vote, and just before polling machines are to be turned off. Proof can only come from a hacker-minder in every voting precinct.

Why, again, is it harder to pull off a digital fraud for states? What have you found that makes it harder now? I'd love the links or videos that disprove what we all proved in 2016 and 2017 actually happened.

brush

(53,467 posts)
37. I get it. He's not on as many states because he missed many deadlines though.
Thu Aug 6, 2020, 01:37 PM
Aug 2020

Tell me which state ballots is he on?

ancianita

(35,812 posts)
38. Many? How many? Which states? A quick google can show you his progress.
Thu Aug 6, 2020, 01:56 PM
Aug 2020

He failed filing in six states, according to Ballotpedia.

He has filed in Illinois, Missouri, New Jersey (where he withdrew the petiton) Arkansas, Ohio, Oklahoma, Wisconsin and Colorado so far. Look him up in Ballotpedia and Wikipedia for the ongoing state list. From what I understand, he's got at least the rest of the month to get on the other 46 states. Just because he's "behind" in filing, and just because he's not on six states' ballots, doesn't mean his third party slot can't be successful. The DNC just has to make sure that the states he's in don't add up to 270 for 45.

Trump is on the record saying he personally has nothing to do with Kanye's third party work; media reports that his Republican operatives are doing it all for him without any direct endorsement from him.

https://ballotpedia.org/Kanye_West

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanye_West_2020_presidential_campaign#Petition_submissions

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/republicans-least-four-states-are-helping-kanye-west-gain-ballot-n1235881

https://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/510322-kanye-west-seeking-to-get-on-the-ballot-in-swing-states

Will enough states refuse the petitions for ballot access? How many states does that take? Will there be insufficient third party ballot presence to save the vote counting outcomes? We'll see.

ancianita

(35,812 posts)
8. I hear you. Nobody nice IS one, either.
Thu Aug 6, 2020, 12:34 AM
Aug 2020

When your country is run by racial capitalism, and a third party suddenly appears to go against his own race's best interests and they know it, race traitor is exactly what they will call him.

As goes the future of Black Americans, so goes America.

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
9. Kanye West is mentally ill and it's a known known, why is a mentally ill person who gets off his med
Thu Aug 6, 2020, 01:49 AM
Aug 2020

... even part of a consideration for a group of people!?

Charles Manson runs black folk wont think ... well, ... wait a minute.

ancianita

(35,812 posts)
16. Guys. This is NOT about Kanye. This is about race distraction while machine rigging the vote count.
Thu Aug 6, 2020, 11:39 AM
Aug 2020

Last edited Thu Aug 6, 2020, 12:14 PM - Edit history (1)

I'm not angry with him, personally, but I do believe that he thinks the game he's in has nothing to do with racial oppression, when it does. And, of course, NAZIs winning using Kanye.

BigmanPigman

(51,430 posts)
10. He said his mom was his "momager"
Thu Aug 6, 2020, 02:31 AM
Aug 2020

like Kim's mom is her momager. I know she was a professor so she was somewhat intelligent, perhaps she could have given her son some sound advice like "stay on your meds and knock this GOP shit off".

DFW

(54,047 posts)
12. I live in Germany, and had to look this guy up.
Thu Aug 6, 2020, 04:37 AM
Aug 2020

It's not often I see some guy's name plastered all over the place and I have no idea who he is, but this guy West was one of them. NOW I have to figure out WHY his name is all over the place, and I'm still not sure I get it.

ancianita

(35,812 posts)
17. He's the latest Jill Stein tool being used to amplify racial discord AND MOSTLY as the name that
Thu Aug 6, 2020, 11:43 AM
Aug 2020

stolen votes can be tallied under.

Detecting machine rigging is harder across three candidates than it is between two. The longstanding polls that indicate the nation's candidate preference show who the winner would be. Machine rigging can beat all that, and not be detected.

Or if it is, too late to do anything legal about, as was the case with Mueller and the slow moving wheels of rule of law.

The future looks bleak, after the Trump corporate class dispenses with that pain in the ass democracy with all its silly rule of law and Constitution.

MY post is not about Kanye as much as how, if we FAIL to see the ruse, will FAIL AGAIN.

Our leaders MUST gain control of the national mail in voting for this to have any chance of being a free and fair election.

FM123

(10,050 posts)
14. Kanye is not well and he is being used.
Thu Aug 6, 2020, 08:24 AM
Aug 2020

I don't think lots of folks will cast a vote for him, but I think trump will use Kanye's name on the ballot as the vehicle to try election theft. Yesterday it was trump's people getting Kanye's name on the ballots, not Kanye.

ancianita

(35,812 posts)
18. And so are we if we don't use national mail in voting. All 45 needs is Kanye on any machines that
Thu Aug 6, 2020, 11:46 AM
Aug 2020

Last edited Thu Aug 6, 2020, 01:38 PM - Edit history (1)

will propel bloody donnie to 270.

FM123

(10,050 posts)
20. Yep.
Thu Aug 6, 2020, 11:57 AM
Aug 2020

And it looks like Trump's team is cherry picking certain states like MO, AR, IL, WI to put Kanye's name on ballots - there is a method to their madness and their goal is election theft.

ancianita

(35,812 posts)
22. THANK YOU. SOMEONE, AT LEAST, SEES THIS KANYE THING THE WAY I DO.
Thu Aug 6, 2020, 12:15 PM
Aug 2020

Caps used for EMphasis, not shouting.

panader0

(25,816 posts)
26. You made the statement that you liked his music and his "aesthetic",
Thu Aug 6, 2020, 12:27 PM
Aug 2020

but you would no longer buy his music. Your statement, so you made your OP about yourself, to
an extent.

ancianita

(35,812 posts)
27. No. I admit that in a political context, my musical taste would never guide my politics.
Thu Aug 6, 2020, 12:35 PM
Aug 2020

You made me make the OP about me. But you don't get the last word on it.

I wrote it about machine vote rigging, and the race traitor who enables that for a NAZI minority party to continue ruling against the bests interests of Black, POC and white Americans. That's what I said.

I am an author of the ideas. You need not impugn the author to engage with the ideas. The interpretation you choose to make is on you, not the author.


I'm not the point. I'm making points about the election outcome.

Skip those points to focus on me and you entirely miss the point.





 

tonedevil

(3,022 posts)
28. Kanye West...
Thu Aug 6, 2020, 12:40 PM
Aug 2020

has a large body of musical work and some of it is quite good. He has been an uneven artist and his latest offerings seem to display his mind in deterioration, but that doesn't mean he has never produced music worth listening to. You remind me of my father and his get off my lawn attitude about youthful music.

panader0

(25,816 posts)
30. Obama's review of Kanye--"Jackass". That's good enough for me.
Thu Aug 6, 2020, 12:47 PM
Aug 2020

Some say Ted Nugent is great. Some say Kid Rock is great. Some say James Wood and Jon Voight
are great. It's very, very hard for me to like idiots.

 

tonedevil

(3,022 posts)
41. Obama's comment was hardly a review...
Thu Aug 6, 2020, 02:49 PM
Aug 2020

he was apparently referring to the incident where Kanye jumped on a stage where Taylor Swift was getting an award, grabbed the microphone from her and declared that everyone knew Beyoncé deserved the award. President Obama's answer was correct Kanye was a Jackass in that situation. Only a little bit before Obama said that he also put out a compilation album of his favorite Hip Hop artists, guess who was one of the stars on it? I don't use political views as my guide to artistic talent some jackasses can really sing or act well.

Response to tonedevil (Reply #28)

 

tonedevil

(3,022 posts)
39. I'm not sure why...
Thu Aug 6, 2020, 02:31 PM
Aug 2020

you think I was referring to you when my post was a direct answer to panader0 who apparently can't see talent in anyone unless they have the proper political pedigree. From what you wrote I think we are basically on the same page and somehow you misunderstood that I was directing my comments at you.

brooklynite

(93,834 posts)
32. Point 1. The DNC isn't advocating for national mail in voting...
Thu Aug 6, 2020, 12:54 PM
Aug 2020

It's advocating for the right of people to vote by mail, but is not saying that polling sites should be closed.

Point 2. The DNC isn't claiming that voting machines at polling sites can be rigged. Because there's no evidence that they are.

Point 3. Most voter registration forms don't require information on race or ethnicity.

You may now resume your conspiracy theory.

ancianita

(35,812 posts)
35. I hear you.
Thu Aug 6, 2020, 01:18 PM
Aug 2020

Re #1. The 'right' to vote by mail can't be instituted nationally when the Constitution leaves entirely up to states how voting can be done. So that won't fly. One state supreme court decision today backed up the state's decision that mail in voting won't be the only way in that state.

Re #2. The DNC should be claiming voting machines can be rigged, because right after 2016, DU presented all the evidence -- reports, videos of hacking demonstrations, the House and Senate Intelligence Committees, and the Mueller Report -- that ARE the evidence that they were, indeed, rigged, tampered with, influenced by, whatever word works for you. Machines included.

Re #3. Right. Race is never the required info except for school funding
(a) lunch forms that require the income info and affidavit-level signatures of parents, and
b) the racial/ethnic survey handed out yearly in public schools) the census and racist policymakers to drive their budget and spending decisions by.
I have my mail in voter application in hand, and will get my mail in vote ballot.

I don't want any of this to happen. I'm just warning about what recent events now mean in connection to how it was all done in 2016. To ignore the third party ballot slot as the repository of machine-based votes is to do exactly what Democrats did in 2016.

We can't let this happen again. We can't fall for the misdirection and hype.

Thank you for your thoughtful post, but none of it disproves any points I've made.

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