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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsPelosi should restart an impeachment investigation
I know Dems are split on political efficacy but how do you ignore Bolton's allegations? These are essentially new charges in addition to reaffirming the Ukraine misconduct.
How do Dems say we see the criminality and misconduct but pursuing them now is inconvenient and possibly deleterious to our political future.There is a duty involved, oaths were sworn
Bolton must at least be called to testify immediately if the Dems are to retain the moral high ground. Force Trump to delay and deny, it can only serve to discredit him.
StTimofEdenRoc
(445 posts)C_U_L8R
(44,988 posts)Hold public hearings at the very minimum.
Demsrule86
(68,469 posts)through a pandemic and ending civil unrest by working on new laws to make police accountable...no hearings.
LizBeth
(9,952 posts)It was good they did it and got it on record for the history books, but no. Now is not the time to do that from scratch with all new stuff.
oldsoftie
(12,491 posts)VOTE him out.
Dont help him by making him able to continue as the perpetual victim
Pantagruel
(2,580 posts)Given the delays that will surely imposed, the Senate will probably have a different composition by the time they vote.
But in the horrifying event Trump gets another term, make sure this "gift" awaits him.
catbyte
(34,335 posts)He's shooting himself in the foot. If impeachment investigations begin now, it might backfire, as the endless email & Benghazi investigations did to the republicans. Even though, God knows, there are plenty of things to impeach him again on. Best just concentrate on GOTV and keeping people as safe as possible.
imanamerican63
(13,732 posts)Demsrule86
(68,469 posts)unrest, it would be seen as political and would help not hurt Trump. Vote him out. The Senate won't convict. There is no point.
Turbineguy
(37,291 posts)On November 4.
stillcool
(32,626 posts)since the Bolton thing. Is some TV person talking about impeachment?
Pantagruel
(2,580 posts)How is impeachment NOT your first thought hearing about Trump extorting China and Turkey in addition to Ukraine?
stillcool
(32,626 posts)What do you think is different now?...especially in this case. A "he said, he said". It's insane...that's why impeachment is NOT my first thought.
genxlib
(5,518 posts)Subpoena Bolton and ask him to tell the American people why they should have considered more charges.
I don't think it is worth another impeachment hearing but I certainly want to hear what he has to say under oath with questioning.
greytdemocrat
(3,299 posts)If you want to give him an automatic win.
Pantagruel
(2,580 posts)Step ONE.
An impeachment would only come later if the charges are supported by evidence. Dems can't justify not investigating and you get enhanced subpoena powers under the banner of impeachment.
Try to remember political expediency should not conflict with Dems sworn duty to defend the constitution.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)They're still in court fighting to enforce the subpoenas they issued last year.
Pantagruel
(2,580 posts)bur a favorable SCOTUS ruling could be a major game changer for the House' ability to provide oversight.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)anything the House asked for without a court fight?
It wouldn't.
They'd still take it to court. And if they even got a ruling before the election, they'd appeal it. And then appeal that ruling to the Supreme Court.
No House subpoena would produce any information from Trump before the election, no matter what the Supreme Court rules in the next couple of weeks.
Pantagruel
(2,580 posts)isn't necessary right away.
This is a huge issue of separation of powers. House without subpoena power is a congress without OVERSIGHT.The Inquiry will proceed at its own speed but without a favorable ruling might be as toothless as the first impeachment try.
But again, regardless of political expediency, we must persist if the checks and balances of a republic are to be preserved.
Renew Deal
(81,846 posts)there is clear evidence of the Graham blackmail story or something like that.
Pantagruel
(2,580 posts)of anything without first investigating and calling witnesses.
Renew Deal
(81,846 posts)Just search google for: body found in
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Such a move will allow Trump to claim political witchhunt. He is sinking from his own incompetence, we are better off letting him destroy himself.
If we hold the House big and retake the Senate, then she can start the impeachment process so that it goes to the Senate after January 3rd of next year. Even if the Senate fails to remove Trump, President Biden can have the Justice Department go after him after January 21 of next year.
Pantagruel
(2,580 posts)about witch hunts, antifa ,etc. no matter what.
I still think Dems have a sworn duty to investigate and if they can substantiate and corroborate the Bolton charges-Impeach.
Should be done without regard to timing or political expediency.
Idealistic / boy scout view aside, pushing Bolton's charges to the front of the news cycle is good politics, not bad. Why is highlighting treasonous and probably criminal behavior bad campaigning???
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)but for the junkiest of political junkies among us. The pandemic, the economy, healthcare, systemic racism, and the integrity of our elections are what Americans care about now. America is turning on Trump -- Dems shouldn't do anything to fuck that up.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)He's doing an excellent job of discrediting himself. Dems need to focus on the pandemic, the integrity of our elections, racism, the economy, and healthcare and Fat Nixon will be finished.
Pantagruel
(2,580 posts)because it's a made for TV national book tour for him.
Impeachment One was a focus on one instance of extortion by POTUS.
With Bolton's charges it becomes a pattern and practice of the Trump /GOP axis of slime, it deserves to be hammered home especially in election season (as it happens).
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)Follow Joes lead. Let him keep destroying himself.
If you enemy is making mistakes dont interrupt him. Or in this case change the entire subject of the news cycle from his continued self destruction.
Pantagruel
(2,580 posts)is already Trump centered, villains sell newspapers. Bolton is handing Libs negative Trump evidence, let's use it to its fullest.
Pantagruel
(2,580 posts)"Pelosi endorses House Judiciary investigation of Barr:
Congressional oversight of the Executive Branch is needed to protect the integrity of our legal system, which is under serious threat from this White House. AG Barr must be held accountable for his actions.
Jun 20, 2020
Maxheader
(4,370 posts)The affects on the world, will change some of the hardcore donnybots.
Ask themselves how stable their lives will be over 4 more years with
a corrupt government.. ...If they would quit electing criminals,
they would feel better..
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)TheBlackAdder
(28,167 posts)Pantagruel
(2,580 posts)in fact, they're collapsing one by one:
"Conservative columnist Max Boot on Thursday stressed the significance of former national adviser John Boltons forthcoming tell-all book about his 17 months working in President Donald Trumps administration.
You have to understand how unprecedented this is, Boot told CNNs Newsroom of Boltons memoir, The Room Where It Happened, scheduled for release next week.
Weve never seen such a senior former official saying that the president they served was fundamentally unfit and unethical and ignorant and therefore incapable of doing the job, said Boot, a commentator for The Washington Post.
Bolton alleges in his memoir, for which he reportedly received a $2 million advance, that Trump sought Chinas help in his reelection. He has faced backlash, however, for not raising concerns about Trumps conduct at the time and for failing to cooperate in Trumps impeachment.
Boot, who left the GOP following Trumps 2016 election victory, said Boltons book only confirmed concerns raised by other top-ranking Trump officials who have left the White House.
The difference here is that Bolton has provided a fuller report on what he saw because he was a copious note taker, Boot continued. So, this is a very damning indictment and I think Trump and his defenders will have trouble running away from because Bolton is one of them. You cant accuse him of being part of the deep state. Hes as right-wing as they come.
TheBlackAdder
(28,167 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,254 posts)There are investigations ongoing. Don't jog the Speaker's elbow to make things more public and therefore more risky to people who have work to do.
Ms. Toad
(33,992 posts)The worst public health crisis in a century
Black Lives Matter
Defeating Trump
Walking and chewing gum simultaneously is one thing. Chewing gum, while riding a unicorn while balancing a stack of spinning plates, and rolling hula hoops around our outstretched arms is another.
We cannot afford to make the same stupid mistakes as we did in 2020 - and the lay of the land is immeasurably more complex this time.
Anyone inclined to see it knows how corrupt Trump is - and even knows most of what he has done. Anyone not inclined to see it won't have their minds changed by another set of hearing - and it gives Trump more ammunition to use to rile up his base. Right now he's hanging himself.
My advice is "Please proceed." We don't need his base screaming that we kicked the chair out from under him.
UCmeNdc
(9,600 posts)Keep the pressure on Trump and Barr
UCmeNdc
(9,600 posts)Pantagruel
(2,580 posts)OK, it wasn't Bolton, rather Berman, that flipped his switch but the light will still go on.
Pantagruel
(2,580 posts)"Remember, the two main GOP defenses during impeachment were (1) no proof Trump himself delayed aid & (2) it was just a difference over policy.
Bolton says it was: Trumps decision, politically motivated, & part of a pattern.
Of course his testimony would have mattered."
Wounded Bear
(58,601 posts)Count me as a non-supporter of this idea.
Pantagruel
(2,580 posts)Most of the arguments against a new Imp.Inq. are based on political expediency which essentially mirrors Trump's motives for extorting Ukraine et al.
Dems need to be better than that, focus on truth and justice and let the politics fall where they may.
JI7
(89,240 posts)as possible.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)But, of course, we're going to have to put up with plenty of "Democrats are WEAK if they don't impeach him AGAIN" swarms from the usual suspects.
Funny how they insisted he be impeached last year because if they waited until this year "it will be too late!" Now we are four months before the election and suddenly, it's no longer "too late" but must be done no matter what.
Do you get the feeling this really isn't about impeachment at all?
ck4829
(35,038 posts)Pantagruel
(2,580 posts)"Breaking : In a reversal Nadler now open to impeachment of Barr
A shift from House Judiciary Chairman Jerry Nadler: After saying Sunday impeaching AG Bill Barr is a waste of time, he says his committee may very well pursue Barrs impeachment.
Were looking into that, we may very well,
Asked what changed, Nadler says: I think the weight of the evidence and of whats happens leads to that conclusion.
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I suspect Dems have been voicing their opinions vociferously...."