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Fri Jun 19, 2020, 01:55 PM

Pelosi should restart an impeachment investigation

I know Dems are split on political efficacy but how do you ignore Bolton's allegations? These are essentially new charges in addition to reaffirming the Ukraine misconduct.
How do Dems say we see the criminality and misconduct but pursuing them now is inconvenient and possibly deleterious to our political future.There is a duty involved, oaths were sworn
Bolton must at least be called to testify immediately if the Dems are to retain the moral high ground. Force Trump to delay and deny, it can only serve to discredit him.

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Reply Pelosi should restart an impeachment investigation (Original post)
Pantagruel Jun 19 OP
StTimofEdenRoc Jun 19 #1
C_U_L8R Jun 19 #2
Demsrule86 Jun 19 #8
LizBeth Jun 19 #3
oldsoftie Jun 19 #4
Pantagruel Jun 19 #5
catbyte Jun 19 #6
imanamerican63 Jun 19 #18
Demsrule86 Jun 19 #7
Turbineguy Jun 19 #9
stillcool Jun 19 #10
Pantagruel Jun 19 #14
stillcool Jun 19 #15
genxlib Jun 19 #11
greytdemocrat Jun 19 #12
Pantagruel Jun 19 #13
StarfishSaver Jun 22 #38
Pantagruel Jun 22 #39
StarfishSaver Jun 22 #43
Pantagruel Jun 22 #44
Renew Deal Jun 19 #16
Pantagruel Jun 19 #17
Renew Deal Jun 19 #19
Blue_true Jun 19 #20
Pantagruel Jun 19 #21
SMC22307 Jun 19 #23
SMC22307 Jun 19 #22
Pantagruel Jun 20 #25
GulfCoast66 Jun 19 #24
Pantagruel Jun 20 #26
Pantagruel Jun 21 #27
Maxheader Jun 21 #28
USALiberal Jun 21 #29
TheBlackAdder Jun 21 #30
Pantagruel Jun 21 #31
TheBlackAdder Jun 21 #36
Hermit-The-Prog Jun 21 #32
Ms. Toad Jun 21 #33
UCmeNdc Jun 21 #34
UCmeNdc Jun 21 #35
Pantagruel Jun 22 #37
Pantagruel Jun 22 #40
Wounded Bear Jun 22 #41
Pantagruel Jun 22 #42
JI7 Jun 22 #45
StarfishSaver Jun 22 #46
ck4829 Jun 22 #47
Pantagruel Jun 24 #48

Response to Pantagruel (Original post)

Fri Jun 19, 2020, 01:59 PM

1. even if it fails in the senate he will be the impeached twice president

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Response to Pantagruel (Original post)

Fri Jun 19, 2020, 01:59 PM

2. The country needs to know what the heck ha been going on.

Hold public hearings at the very minimum.

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Response to C_U_L8R (Reply #2)

Fri Jun 19, 2020, 02:12 PM

8. No, the country who cares does know...and we need to concentrate on fixing the economy, getting

through a pandemic and ending civil unrest by working on new laws to make police accountable...no hearings.

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Response to Pantagruel (Original post)

Fri Jun 19, 2020, 02:02 PM

3. No. The last one we had dead to rights, nothing happened and Dem favoribility went down.

It was good they did it and got it on record for the history books, but no. Now is not the time to do that from scratch with all new stuff.

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Response to Pantagruel (Original post)

Fri Jun 19, 2020, 02:06 PM

4. NO. Just gives him more "they hate e" BS to run on. Nov is only a few months out.

VOTE him out.
Dont help him by making him able to continue as the perpetual victim

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Response to Pantagruel (Original post)

Fri Jun 19, 2020, 02:07 PM

5. About failing in the Senate

Given the delays that will surely imposed, the Senate will probably have a different composition by the time they vote.
But in the horrifying event Trump gets another term, make sure this "gift" awaits him.

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Response to Pantagruel (Original post)

Fri Jun 19, 2020, 02:09 PM

6. No, that ship has sailed. Maybe if it was a year & 4.5 months to the election. Not now.

He's shooting himself in the foot. If impeachment investigations begin now, it might backfire, as the endless email & Benghazi investigations did to the republicans. Even though, God knows, there are plenty of things to impeach him again on. Best just concentrate on GOTV and keeping people as safe as possible.

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Response to catbyte (Reply #6)

Fri Jun 19, 2020, 04:28 PM

18. Exactly!

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Response to Pantagruel (Original post)

Fri Jun 19, 2020, 02:10 PM

7. No she shouldn't. There is no point. And during a pandemic, economic chaos and civil

unrest, it would be seen as political and would help not hurt Trump. Vote him out. The Senate won't convict. There is no point.

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Response to Pantagruel (Original post)

Fri Jun 19, 2020, 02:13 PM

9. Yes.

On November 4.

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Response to Pantagruel (Original post)

Fri Jun 19, 2020, 02:20 PM

10. Weird...I've seen a few posts like this..

since the Bolton thing. Is some TV person talking about impeachment?

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Response to stillcool (Reply #10)

Fri Jun 19, 2020, 02:39 PM

14. Weird?

How is impeachment NOT your first thought hearing about Trump extorting China and Turkey in addition to Ukraine?

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Response to Pantagruel (Reply #14)

Fri Jun 19, 2020, 04:13 PM

15. because it's been proven useless...

What do you think is different now?...especially in this case. A "he said, he said". It's insane...that's why impeachment is NOT my first thought.

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Response to Pantagruel (Original post)

Fri Jun 19, 2020, 02:23 PM

11. I say call the bluff

Subpoena Bolton and ask him to tell the American people why they should have considered more charges.

I don't think it is worth another impeachment hearing but I certainly want to hear what he has to say under oath with questioning.

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Response to Pantagruel (Original post)

Fri Jun 19, 2020, 02:25 PM

12. Yes.

If you want to give him an automatic win.

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Response to Pantagruel (Original post)

Fri Jun 19, 2020, 02:37 PM

13. Calling for an investigation is only

Step ONE.
An impeachment would only come later if the charges are supported by evidence. Dems can't justify not investigating and you get enhanced subpoena powers under the banner of impeachment.
Try to remember political expediency should not conflict with Dems sworn duty to defend the constitution.

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Response to Pantagruel (Reply #13)

Mon Jun 22, 2020, 01:22 AM

38. "Enhanced subpoena powers"

They're still in court fighting to enforce the subpoenas they issued last year.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #38)

Mon Jun 22, 2020, 10:45 AM

39. They are

bur a favorable SCOTUS ruling could be a major game changer for the House' ability to provide oversight.

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Response to Pantagruel (Reply #39)

Mon Jun 22, 2020, 10:58 AM

43. You think a favorable ruling would lead the Trump team to just turn over immediately

anything the House asked for without a court fight?

It wouldn't.

They'd still take it to court. And if they even got a ruling before the election, they'd appeal it. And then appeal that ruling to the Supreme Court.

No House subpoena would produce any information from Trump before the election, no matter what the Supreme Court rules in the next couple of weeks.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #43)

Mon Jun 22, 2020, 01:35 PM

44. A favorable ruling

isn't necessary right away.
This is a huge issue of separation of powers. House without subpoena power is a congress without OVERSIGHT.The Inquiry will proceed at its own speed but without a favorable ruling might be as toothless as the first impeachment try.
But again, regardless of political expediency, we must persist if the checks and balances of a republic are to be preserved.

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Response to Pantagruel (Original post)

Fri Jun 19, 2020, 04:16 PM

16. There is no way that happens unless...

there is clear evidence of the Graham blackmail story or something like that.

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #16)

Fri Jun 19, 2020, 04:25 PM

17. You don't get evidence

of anything without first investigating and calling witnesses.

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Response to Pantagruel (Reply #17)

Fri Jun 19, 2020, 04:40 PM

19. You know that's not true.

Just search google for: body found in

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Response to Pantagruel (Original post)

Fri Jun 19, 2020, 04:51 PM

20. She absolutely should NOT do what you are suggesting.

Such a move will allow Trump to claim political witchhunt. He is sinking from his own incompetence, we are better off letting him destroy himself.

If we hold the House big and retake the Senate, then she can start the impeachment process so that it goes to the Senate after January 3rd of next year. Even if the Senate fails to remove Trump, President Biden can have the Justice Department go after him after January 21 of next year.

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Response to Blue_true (Reply #20)

Fri Jun 19, 2020, 08:32 PM

21. Trump will whine

about witch hunts, antifa ,etc. no matter what.
I still think Dems have a sworn duty to investigate and if they can substantiate and corroborate the Bolton charges-Impeach.
Should be done without regard to timing or political expediency.
Idealistic / boy scout view aside, pushing Bolton's charges to the front of the news cycle is good politics, not bad. Why is highlighting treasonous and probably criminal behavior bad campaigning???

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Response to Pantagruel (Reply #21)

Fri Jun 19, 2020, 08:41 PM

23. Americans don't give a shit about John Bolton or his book...

but for the junkiest of political junkies among us. The pandemic, the economy, healthcare, systemic racism, and the integrity of our elections are what Americans care about now. America is turning on Trump -- Dems shouldn't do anything to fuck that up.

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Response to Pantagruel (Original post)

Fri Jun 19, 2020, 08:37 PM

22. LOL Bolton won't testify and Trump is imploding before our very eyes.

He's doing an excellent job of discrediting himself. Dems need to focus on the pandemic, the integrity of our elections, racism, the economy, and healthcare and Fat Nixon will be finished.

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Response to SMC22307 (Reply #22)

Sat Jun 20, 2020, 11:39 AM

25. Bolton will testify

because it's a made for TV national book tour for him.
Impeachment One was a focus on one instance of extortion by POTUS.
With Bolton's charges it becomes a pattern and practice of the Trump /GOP axis of slime, it deserves to be hammered home especially in election season (as it happens).

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Response to Pantagruel (Original post)

Fri Jun 19, 2020, 08:42 PM

24. Respectfully, a profoundly bad idea.

Follow Joes lead. Let him keep destroying himself.

If you enemy is making mistakes don’t interrupt him. Or in this case change the entire subject of the news cycle from his continued self destruction.

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Response to GulfCoast66 (Reply #24)

Sat Jun 20, 2020, 12:45 PM

26. The news cycle

is already Trump centered, villains sell newspapers. Bolton is handing Libs negative Trump evidence, let's use it to its fullest.

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Response to Pantagruel (Original post)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 09:18 AM

27. Nancy getting warm...


"Pelosi endorses House Judiciary investigation of Barr:

“Congressional oversight of the Executive Branch is needed to protect the integrity of our legal system, which is under serious threat from this White House. AG Barr must be held accountable for his actions.“

Jun 20, 2020

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Response to Pantagruel (Original post)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 09:30 AM

28. I can only hope that all the misdeeds

The affects on the world, will change some of the hardcore donnybots.

Ask themselves how stable their lives will be over 4 more years with

a corrupt government.. ...If they would quit electing criminals,

they would feel better..

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Response to Pantagruel (Original post)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 09:32 AM

29. Nope! nt

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Response to Pantagruel (Original post)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 09:42 AM

30. Nah! Let's not give the Cons anything to rally behind. Let them hang out in the breeze to flap.

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Reply #30)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 03:31 PM

31. Cons are NOT rallying

in fact, they're collapsing one by one:

"Conservative columnist Max Boot on Thursday stressed the significance of former national adviser John Bolton’s forthcoming tell-all book about his 17 months working in President Donald Trump’s administration.

“You have to understand how unprecedented this is,” Boot told CNN’s “Newsroom” of Bolton’s memoir, “The Room Where It Happened,” scheduled for release next week.

“We’ve never seen such a senior former official saying that the president they served was fundamentally unfit and unethical and ignorant and therefore incapable of doing the job,” said Boot, a commentator for The Washington Post.

Bolton alleges in his memoir, for which he reportedly received a $2 million advance, that Trump sought China’s help in his reelection. He has faced backlash, however, for not raising concerns about Trump’s conduct at the time and for failing to cooperate in Trump’s impeachment.

Boot, who left the GOP following Trump’s 2016 election victory, said Bolton’s book only confirmed concerns raised by other top-ranking Trump officials who have left the White House.

“The difference here is that Bolton has provided a fuller report on what he saw because he was a copious note taker,” Boot continued. “So, this is a very damning indictment and I think Trump and his defenders will have trouble running away from because Bolton is one of them. You can’t accuse him of being part of the deep state. He’s as right-wing as they come.”

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Response to Pantagruel (Reply #31)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 04:18 PM

36. Like estranged families, they mostly come together when one is attacked--Blood is thicker than Water

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Response to Pantagruel (Original post)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 03:36 PM

32. Now is not merely "inconvenient"; it is risky to life and health.

There are investigations ongoing. Don't jog the Speaker's elbow to make things more public and therefore more risky to people who have work to do.

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Response to Pantagruel (Original post)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 03:47 PM

33. No. We have more important things to do.

The worst public health crisis in a century
Black Lives Matter
Defeating Trump

Walking and chewing gum simultaneously is one thing. Chewing gum, while riding a unicorn while balancing a stack of spinning plates, and rolling hula hoops around our outstretched arms is another.

We cannot afford to make the same stupid mistakes as we did in 2020 - and the lay of the land is immeasurably more complex this time.

Anyone inclined to see it knows how corrupt Trump is - and even knows most of what he has done. Anyone not inclined to see it won't have their minds changed by another set of hearing - and it gives Trump more ammunition to use to rile up his base. Right now he's hanging himself.

My advice is "Please proceed." We don't need his base screaming that we kicked the chair out from under him.

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Response to Pantagruel (Original post)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 03:49 PM

34. They need to start new investigations.

Keep the pressure on Trump and Barr

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Response to Pantagruel (Original post)

Sun Jun 21, 2020, 03:56 PM

35. Trump's firing on SDNY's Berman has set the stage for a second impeachment: presidential historian

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Response to UCmeNdc (Reply #35)

Mon Jun 22, 2020, 12:40 AM

37. Brinkley in my Impeachment Inquiry camp!

OK, it wasn't Bolton, rather Berman, that flipped his switch but the light will still go on.

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Response to UCmeNdc (Reply #35)

Mon Jun 22, 2020, 10:48 AM

40. And I think Bolton's testimony enhances the Ukraine extortion charges


"Remember, the two main GOP defenses during impeachment were (1) no proof Trump himself delayed aid & (2) it was just a difference over policy.

Bolton says it was: Trump’s decision, politically motivated, & part of a pattern.

Of course his testimony would have mattered."

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Response to Pantagruel (Original post)

Mon Jun 22, 2020, 10:49 AM

41. Would be seen as a political stunt...

Count me as a non-supporter of this idea.

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Response to Pantagruel (Original post)

Mon Jun 22, 2020, 10:53 AM

42. A final thought

Most of the arguments against a new Imp.Inq. are based on political expediency which essentially mirrors Trump's motives for extorting Ukraine et al.
Dems need to be better than that, focus on truth and justice and let the politics fall where they may.

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Response to Pantagruel (Original post)

Mon Jun 22, 2020, 01:39 PM

45. Democrats need to focus on elections and making sure they are as fair and secure

as possible.

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Response to JI7 (Reply #45)

Mon Jun 22, 2020, 02:01 PM

46. Indeed

But, of course, we're going to have to put up with plenty of "Democrats are WEAK if they don't impeach him AGAIN" swarms from the usual suspects.

Funny how they insisted he be impeached last year because if they waited until this year "it will be too late!" Now we are four months before the election and suddenly, it's no longer "too late" but must be done no matter what.

Do you get the feeling this really isn't about impeachment at all?

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Response to Pantagruel (Original post)

Mon Jun 22, 2020, 07:02 PM

47. Yes, yes she should

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Response to Pantagruel (Original post)

Wed Jun 24, 2020, 08:11 PM

48. Why not go all the way?

"Breaking : In a reversal Nadler now open to impeachment of Barr






A shift from House Judiciary Chairman Jerry Nadler: After saying Sunday impeaching AG Bill Barr is a “waste of time,” he says his committee “may very well” pursue Barr’s impeachment.

“We’re looking into that, we may very well,”

Asked what changed, Nadler says: “I think the weight of the evidence and of what’s happens leads to that conclusion.”

......................................

I suspect Dems have been voicing their opinions vociferously...."

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