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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAnybody else think that "got him!" indicates they would have shot Mr. Brooks even without that tazer
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Jeezus.... there was almost zero time between when Brooks fired the tazer and when he was shot in the back. In other words, "got him!" wasn't a response to the tazer but just the culmination of the pursuit. It was always the goal of the chase to "get him!"
FUCKERS.
matt819
(10,749 posts)Makes you wonder how these murderous cops were trained in the use of weapons. Also, it might be interesting to learn if these same murderous cops are video game players.
Pantagruel
(2,580 posts)They had his ID and car yet still decided deadly force was necessary to keep him from running away? That's just dumb, unnecessary and bad training-or overt racism.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)that Cop's Warrior Training Sessions.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)Conversation I had with a Suburban Police Chief and his Deputy Chief about the down stream effects of this particular Training. This Chief refused to allow anything even closely related too,anything Warrior Related. They both empathized that their Hiring and Training was all about Community Service and Community Protection.
This Chief and Deputy Chief forecast what happened in MPLS. Several of weeded out Officers from this Suburban as well as a couple other Western Burb Departments were hired by Mpls PD .
sop
(10,167 posts)them, wrestle the taser from the cop's hand as he was trying to use it on Brooks during the struggle, and was able to get away from them with the taser in his hand. At that point it became a matter of pride, it was personal, they had to "get him."
One other thing Rolfe told a supervisor after the shooting during a videotaped conversation is very troubling: As I pursued him, he turned and started firing the Taser at me," adding He definitely did shoot it at me at least once." In another report, a police spokesperson stated Rolfe was justified in shooting Brooks because the suspect fired the taser as he was running away, thereby creating an imminent and deadly threat to both officers as he was running away.
Police tasers can only be fired one time, at one target. They have to be reloaded after being fired. If Rolfe was certain Brooks fired the taser "at least once," he must have known the device could not be used against either officer again. If Rolfe knew the taser had been fired "at least once" why did he have to shoot Brooks in the back?
sarisataka
(18,627 posts)Available to police. Three shot is the most I am aware of.
This guide states police tasers can be activated several times, to produce more than one shock on a single suspect, but firing the pins/electrodes that attach to a suspect and cause the shock can only be done once.
https://www.stun-gun-defense-products.com/buy-stun-gun/TASER-Frequently-Asked-Questions.html
Do you know if the APD uses the new taser that can be fired up to three times? I haven't seen anything about the type of taser that was involved in the APD incident.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1202736/The-Taser-gun-capable-shocking-people-reloaded.html
sarisataka
(18,627 posts)That can give multiple shocks. There are also some models that have two or three cartridges so can shoot multiple times.
Tasers are not something I have hands on experience with so I do not know if the second/third shot only requires a trigger pull or if any other operation must be performed.
As to what model APD uses, I have no idea. It merely means the statement that the taser was fired at least once might be correct.
sop
(10,167 posts)I was looking at several taser models available for police use, from several different manufacturers. It's amazing how these "non-lethal" devices are being marketed to security and police agencies.
The new multiple dart models can fire several projectiles at different targets without reloading, or replacing compressed air cartridges. Some high-end models are even wireless, they don't require the thin wires connecting the gun to the darts to produce shock. The ranges are even increasing; some advertise an effective wireless distance of about 35 feet.
The multi-dart models are large and expensive, though. The one Brooks took from the officer looked pretty small in his hand.
Goodheart
(5,321 posts)Is absurd.
Might have been imminent and deadly if he WASN'T running away.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)The skin we walk around in is seen by too many people as a deadly weapon.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)JudyM
(29,233 posts)I saw footage of that officer soon after the fact saying that he thought he was tased in the leg... um, wouldnt he have had some lingering effect? He was starting to construct his justification, is what that was.
LeftInTX
(25,282 posts)The narrator said Rolfe had another taser out. He then discarded it and took out his firearm.
So would it have been drunk guy with taser versus cop with taser? Which would have been non-lethal
Coleman
(853 posts)All of the cops will receive written reprimands for poor judgement and handling of the situation. The officer who had the Taser stolen from him will probably get suspended (with pay) for a few days. The officer that shot Mr. Brooks will get a couple weeks suspended (with pay). And no charges filed. Too many outs for the cops: 1) resisting arrest (no matter how absurd it may be) 2) stealing a police weapon 3) firing the weapon at the police (assault)
The biggest issue against the cops defense is that they had his car and ID. There wasn't even a need to chase him, just wait for him at his house.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)he managed to escape their control and made them look bad. No way their toxic strongman egos would allow him to escape. They had to take him down to save face.
Fuckers is right.
Sid
ProfessorGAC
(65,010 posts)They were working on a hair trigger.
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)in the bodycam video. It seemed that they were careful and measured with him until he decided to resist arrest. I have to ask, why did he do that? It always ends badly.
ProfessorGAC
(65,010 posts)...opening fire on a person with a non-lethal weapon as they ran away suggests a hair trigger, to me.
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)Brooks' split second decision to go from cooperative to bolt from being arrested must have seemed pretty hair-trigger to the cops who had spent twenty minutes talking politely with him. In their training and experience, they have to react just as quickly as the situation changes on a dime.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)Brooks had the taser, the cops had to give chase. What would the liability of the police department be if he used it on someone else, after they had let it slip out of their possession?
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... around him and the cops could've let him run especially after he shot the taser.
There's no excuse for the escalation by the PD, hell ... even arresting him is stretch
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)Garrett Rolfe's attorney has a much easier job ahead of him than Derek Chauvin's attorney does.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... any are going to believe brooks was a threat with a taser and since Rolfe patted him down already they knew he didn't have a gun so that isn't going to pass.
People who give cop the BOTD will accept anything from Rolfe including he thought his life was in danger from a taser ... there are ..> WAY < fewer of these people these days.
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)will find those people if they exist at all, it's his/her job to do so. The first step will be to have any trial conducted in a suburban county, and not Fulton County. A judge just might go for that, to try to minimize potential violence outside of an Atlanta courthouse if the jury comes back with either a not guilty verdict, or a guilty verdict on a greatly lessened charge.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)Last edited Tue Jun 16, 2020, 02:38 PM - Edit history (1)
Just look around here ...
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)Goodheart
(5,321 posts)customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)about the video that showed the scuffle, the chase, and the shooting? Or is it one from before the handcuffs came out?
Calculating
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