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(45,806 posts)affects the virus rate in the next week or 2.
EleanorR
(2,374 posts)davekriss
(4,608 posts)dsc
(52,130 posts)so it will be accurate.
davekriss
(4,608 posts)With a Democratic governor, Im fairly confident well get real numbers.
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)and the same governor who never applied the social distancing guildelines to any churches? Churches are exempt from social distancing guidelines. Not to mention his "solution" was to kick the can down the road so they can come back to the transgender bathroom bill when he is not in charge any more and bring it back up and do it all over again. I'm still pissed off at him for that half-assed "solution." He also did not have to reopen so soon. He caved. Democrat or not, I don't trust him.
dsc
(52,130 posts)though it should be noted at the time the GOP had a veto proof majority in the legislature. As to the churches that is flat out wrong. He did apply the guidelines to churches, got sued and lost, where he does deserve fault is in not appealing his loss. But to say they never applied to churches is baldly false.
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)He let them win. He caved, just like he is caving by reopening too soon. He caves far too much. He is just working as a buffer for the right wingers to get their way anyhow. I don't trust him since his hideous "solution" to the bigots on transgender rights. That is going into effect later, because of the way he handled it. I'm in one of the districts that was gerrymandered so badly that they had to redraw it. It still will always be Republican because of how they redrew it. It's horrid. The extremists in NC always win. That is the way it always goes.
dsc
(52,130 posts)I have no idea why he didn't appeal but he did lose. Even if he had appealed he might well have had to obey the decision until the appeal was decided. On transgender sadly we did have one major problem to contend with, if the courts ruled to uphold the law as written we were stuck with it. We also had the problem that only one of the boycotts (that of the NCAA) was effective and it was getting very shaky. I wish he had stuck it out but there was a huge potential downside.
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)Have you seen where Trump is already trying to goad Democrats in NC about the Republican Convention? If they really wanted to call him on his bluff, I think they could. Apparently, from what I have read, Charlotte was the only city that bid to have the RNC in the first place.
Now, Trump is trying to claim the social distancing rules, none of which have he or any of his followers followed yet, is making him want to move it. I wish they would call him on his bluff. I think it would have the effect of turning NC more blue, because if they stood up to him and his bullying, it would show some gumption. Then again, here, it might have the opposite effect. Either way, the hatemongers in this state are set in stone R voters. Some of the Dems here might go one way or another though.
I just don't trust Cooper. I don't. He caves too much for my taste, even if the situation is an uphill battle. Just fight a little bit harder and give people more hope. Hope goes a long way.
His one saving grace is he is not McCrory. I hope we never have to deal with that nightmare again. I remember how much BS started up in Charlotte when McCrory was mayor there. I hated how he did Charlotte. I loved Charlotte before that, but so many businesses, good ones, left while he was there with his band of jerks who only showed up to put on a three ring circus of bigotry. He did the same exact thing as governor too. I could not get over how much worse he was, right off the bat.
So, Cooper IS better than that. I just wish he would fight much harder than he does. He could take NC over the edge to being blue if he fought harder, imo, because of the numbers in the larger cities here who would lean Democrat and be more apt to vote if they felt they had some hope here. I won't count on any of those in the county where I live, because this place is overrun with Trump supporters and Trump signs and not nearly enough Democrats who aren't ALSO Trump supporters.
Tipperary
(6,930 posts)I do not believe everything is open quite yet.
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)It is still too early. It could have waited and we might not have had the spike in cases.
obamanut2012
(25,911 posts)davekriss
(4,608 posts)octoberlib
(14,971 posts)Only reason we haven't taken back the General Assembly yet is because of extreme gerrymandering but we're close.
davekriss
(4,608 posts)octoberlib
(14,971 posts)machoneman
(3,951 posts)octoberlib
(14,971 posts)Yesterday we had the highest number of hospitalizations so far during the pandemic.
At least 24,056 people have tested positive for the coronavirus and 790 have died as of Tuesday morning, state and county health departments say.
At least 627 people were hospitalized with COVID-19 as of Monday, the highest daily total state officials have reported since the pandemic began. The number is up from 587 the day before.
https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/coronavirus/article242985011.html?
EleanorR
(2,374 posts)davekriss
(4,608 posts)If 1 person catches the virus at the speedway goes home and carries on until (and if) they require hospitalization, 2, 3, or more other people might get infected. Well see those numbers begin to explode a month from now. Growth can be exponential again, and this new inverted pyramid would be built on top of the base thats already out there. Thats why its totally irresponsible of those not taking precautions, which no one in that tight a crowd is doing.
(Im sure most of us here know this, Im just trying to amplify the point.)
Two types of people: Those who think only of themselves (if they think at all), and those that think also of their family, friends, and community. Guess the political party of the former.
brush
(53,470 posts)Wouldn't want to be there.
C Moon
(12,188 posts)And that's an older article. I heard an even higher percentage than that.
hadEnuf
(2,150 posts)Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)These assholes will leave the event they attended and stop at stores all along the way on their way home. The poor saps who will catch the virus from them are the poor workers at the stores who have to go up to them and tell them to wear a mask. Even if those workers are wearing their own PPE, one missed bit of the virus when they clean up later, and they could catch it. So, it is not always as cut and dried that they will be spreading it to each other or that any of them are going to die from it. They might not be in that overall percentage who die from it or even have long lasting healthcare effects from it. So, yes, they are spreading it, but it doesn't seem to care whether they are right wing or left wing as to who is kills and who goes symptom free, who has long lasting permanent damage and who gets through it and is very lucky to be alive and not maimed for life. The leader of the reopen NC movement tested positive and was symptom free.
Laelth
(32,017 posts)Yuck!
-Laelth
Not a single POC in the crowd. Its a klan rally, effectively.
-Laelth
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Tipperary
(6,930 posts)Have you made the same comments about the huge house parties, pool parties, block parties in Missouri, Atlanta, Chicago? How about all the people on the Jersey Shore?
Marrah_Goodman
(1,586 posts)Much of my family now lives in North Carolina, including my son. If they continue this way they are going to end up with numbers like NYC, with much less infrastructure to deal with it.
Then there is the other part of me that wishes there was a way to keep people like these out of my two states. Maybe the mandatory masks will keep them away.
MoonchildCA
(1,301 posts)and I have a sister near Chapel Hill. Luckily, these are very blue areas and most people and businesses are taking all the precautions.
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,846 posts)I feel so bad for healthcare workers.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Buckeye_Democrat
(14,846 posts)I was worried about upsetting some of the higher BMI people that visit DU.
vercetti2021
(10,150 posts)I'm overweight and these overweight people will catch it and they will die. Lard in their brains
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,846 posts)LisaL
(44,962 posts)Which they could very well catch, sitting so close to each other without any protective gear.
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)I hope all the viral fears are overblown.
Then again, hope by itself is usually a pretty poor plan.
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,846 posts)... of this "Family Guy" skit for some reason.
A HERETIC I AM
(24,320 posts)Too funny!
progressoid
(49,825 posts)dalton99a
(81,065 posts)MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Shermann
(7,355 posts)Am I missing something?
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)So far, even Trump got away with no mask in Michigan, while the AG there threatened to do something about it if he visited again and ignored their rules. In other words, the social distancing guidelines have been just that so far. No governor or governor's admin has enforced it at all. Technically speaking, these "phases" are only suggestions. Only businesses have to follow them. Regular citizens do not. Also, the guidelines in NC do NOT apply to churches or right wing groups "protesting," aka pitching temper tantrums.
I wish the guidelines did have any umph behind them and that we were not opening prematurely. It is not safe or necessary to reopen so soon.
diane in sf
(3,904 posts)TruckFump
(5,812 posts)hatrack
(59,439 posts). . . . then, yeah.
sop
(9,946 posts)OAITW r.2.0
(23,813 posts)of Yahoos feel the need to celebrate their free-dumb.
Doodley
(8,976 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)They have elderly parents and vulnerable relatives, but they likely want those people to get sick and die so they can take their stuff.
I don't know where that track is, but from the look of the people, it likely is out in relative boonies.
IronLionZion
(45,256 posts)When this pandemic is over, some of these swing states might be a lot bluer if you know what I mean.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Unfortunately, it doesn't work out that cleanly. Those idiots likely work in jobs located in the more advanced places near them, so they will make innocent people sick.
I honestly wished that people that can't bring themselves to care about others that are at risk would either kill themselves or somehow die off. I believe the world would instantly become a better place.
LisaL
(44,962 posts)Obesity is a risk factor for covid complications.
vercetti2021
(10,150 posts)Karma gonna be wiping the stupid off the face of the earth
KY_EnviroGuy
(14,483 posts)at least being hospitalized and possibly damaged for life? Not in the world I was raised in many years ago. I fear a large percentage of Americans have lost the ability to think for themselves.
What could possibly go wrong when you have right-wing politicians, preachers and media people to do your thinking for you?.....
KY............
barbtries
(28,702 posts)with the largest number of hospitalized patients yet reported today.
Phase 1 was too soon. Phase 2 a big disappointment. Phase 3 I suppose will be a clusterfuck.
unreal. I'm staying home.
Jakes Progress
(11,121 posts)Do the math. I think the usually cited statistic is that each person with the virus will infect at least two to three others (I don't see any of these yahoos being socially responsible in order not to infect others). If you have a death rate of 2%, then by the election those who went to this stupid show will have been responsible for killing around 80 people. Not all of those will be ignorant republicans. Some will be health workers and people just unlucky enough to live near these dummies.
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)Their victims won't be each other. It will be anyone unfortunate enough to have to go back to work too soon because Cooper caved and ended the social distancing too soon. Their victims will be the poor saps who have to enforce businesses' policies, risking their own health and in some cases, their own lives. Their victims won't necessarily be each other and very few of these people will actually die. Granted, some of the things the virus has done to people, has left some serious lifelong bad effects too. They won't kill enough people to affect the election either way, unless it is very close races.
What they will do, though, is make life a living hell for anyone unfortunate enough to come into contact with them and miss the one little bit of virus they might have spread to them. All it takes is running out of disinfectant and someone who tried to social distance could still get it. Not to mention that a lot of those anti-social distancing types like to purposely cough onto people and do other obnoxious things to spread it, with nothing being done to them. Those types should spend some time in jail, imo.
In any case, it's not going to affect the election all that much here. For every person who lives in one of the insulated areas of NC calling it "purple" there are thousands of us who live in the very red areas of NC who know better. The areas that are going to go blue are going to go blue, but when it comes to the electoral college and the total numbers for the whole state, I don't expect it to go blue at all for a general election on nationwide votes.
ooky
(8,885 posts)These people also go into stores.
Nature Man
(869 posts)They probably drink it by the gallon.
PROFIT!
KY_EnviroGuy
(14,483 posts)There's little doubt some of these people are virus carriers and spreaders, although it's a damn good thing it's not an indoor event. Regardless, they will infect some others and those will carry it home to distant counties and to other states. People travel hundreds of miles to attend these races. There's no nationwide system of contact tracing and those infected as a result of this event will spread it further without knowing from whom (or even where) they caught it.
Therefore, the number of infections caused by this event will never be known and they will be spread over a wide area.
NC should not have allowed this event to happen and no politician will be held accountable for the resulting misery and deaths, or for the costs of treatment.
KY...........
Blecht
(3,803 posts)Botany
(70,291 posts)I just feel bad for their families and the health care workers who will have to take care of them.