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Takket

(21,555 posts)
Mon May 25, 2020, 11:44 AM May 2020

Great article about drumpf's total lack of manliness

This is really pretty fascinating.... if you read DU every day, none of this is new to you. We've had this conversation and cited each of these examples a hundred times. The article focuses on why the "stiff upper lip salt of the earth manly men" not only ignore drumpf's complete lack of these traits, but actually foist those traits upon him. I'm reminded, with a slug of bile threatening to burst forth from my throat, of the artwork of Jon Mcnaughton. A man who creates an image of drumpf that simply doesn't exist... like the one below...



Contrast to the real thing............



Yet if you ask these "manly men" which of these two images represents the actual drumpf, they will all say the painting, despite the second image being an actual photograph of the president.

How drumpf got to this point I suppose is a question historians and psychiatrists will be scratching their heads about for decades to come.

Anyway, here is the article.......

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/05/donald-trump-the-most-unmanly-president/612031/



So many mysteries surround Donald Trump: the contents of his tax returns, the apparent miracle of his graduation from college. Some of them are merely curiosities; others are of national importance, such as whether he understood the nuclear-weapons briefing given to every president. I prefer not to dwell on this question.

But since his first day as a presidential candidate, I have been baffled by one mystery in particular: Why do working-class white men—the most reliable component of Donald Trump’s base—support someone who is, by their own standards, the least masculine man ever to hold the modern presidency? The question is not whether Trump fails to meet some archaic or idealized version of masculinity. The president’s inability to measure up to Marcus Aurelius or Omar Bradley is not the issue. Rather, the question is why so many of Trump’s working-class white male voters refuse to hold Trump to their own standards of masculinity—why they support a man who behaves more like a little boy.

I am a son of the working class, and I know these cultural standards. The men I grew up with think of themselves as pretty tough guys, and most of them are. They are not the products of elite universities and cosmopolitan living. These are men whose fathers and grandfathers came from a culture that looks down upon lying, cheating, and bragging, especially about sex or courage. (My father’s best friend got the Silver Star for wiping out a German machine-gun nest in Europe, and I never heard a word about it until after the man’s funeral.) They admire and value the understated swagger, the rock-solid confidence, and the quiet reserve of such cultural heroes as John Wayne’s Green Beret Colonel Mike Kirby and Sylvester Stallone’s John Rambo (also, as it turns out, a former Green Beret.)


They are, as an American Psychological Association feature describes them, men who adhere to norms such as “toughness, dominance, self-reliance, heterosexual behaviors, restriction of emotional expression and the avoidance of traditionally feminine attitudes and behaviors.” But I didn’t need an expert study to tell me this; they are men like my late father and his friends, who understood that a man’s word is his bond and that a handshake means something. They are men who still believe in a day’s work for a day’s wages. They feel that you should never thank another man when he hands you a paycheck that you earned. They shoulder most burdens in silence—perhaps to an unhealthy degree—and know that there is honor in making an honest living and raising a family.

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Great article about drumpf's total lack of manliness (Original Post) Takket May 2020 OP
The guy writing this article understands neither the American concept of masculinity nor WhiskeyGrinder May 2020 #1
Bingo! patricia92243 May 2020 #2
There you go! Most of these so-called manly-men are more like Trump than the myth of Wayne sop May 2020 #3
That art looks like he's, like, skipping past the goal line ismnotwasm May 2020 #4
K&R smirkymonkey May 2020 #5

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,318 posts)
1. The guy writing this article understands neither the American concept of masculinity nor
Mon May 25, 2020, 11:45 AM
May 2020

the difference between "Trump voters" and "[white] working class." Trump voters like Trump precisely because of who he is -- someone who speaks his mind, leads through steamrolling, is openly racist, insults people to their faces and treats women like shit if they are seen to deserve it. And that actually intersects quite a bit with what is valued as masculinity in this culture.

People didn't support Hitler because he was the ultimate Aryan manly-man, either.

sop

(10,150 posts)
3. There you go! Most of these so-called manly-men are more like Trump than the myth of Wayne
Mon May 25, 2020, 12:23 PM
May 2020

or Rambo. These manly-men like to pretend they're tough guys, what with their military-style weaponry, mega trucks and infantile behavior.

ismnotwasm

(41,975 posts)
4. That art looks like he's, like, skipping past the goal line
Mon May 25, 2020, 12:45 PM
May 2020

Not particularly “manly” —that artist is obsessively weird.

The idea of manhood is changing, and many men don’t like it. Housework, cooking, changing diapers. Thought as women’s work, turns out it’s not a gendered capability at all. And women have successfully entered traditionally male domains, business, medicine, science. Also not inherently gendered, although occasionally one sees an article about brain differences, as though that is some sort of barrier to say, math or IT. Men are Also entering traditional women’s professions, nursing and teaching, for instance.


Othering people of different races or religion to feel strong is now exposed for the pathological bigotry it is.

And I think it’s that last more than anything that drives Trump supporters. From outright racists to those who need a target to feel alive and worthy, those people flock to him, and he comforts their insecurities.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
5. K&R
Mon May 25, 2020, 12:57 PM
May 2020

Trump is not a man. He will never be a man. He is a snivelling little coward, a toddler in a 73-year-old man's body, a whiny little bitch. He is the least manly man I have ever seen in my life.

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