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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe story behind the story about Trump's bizarre "Open the schools ASAP" tweet
Last night
https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/trump-tweets-schools-should-open-asap-but-poll-shows-americans-arent-on-board/507-372457cd-d0ea-4e34-b5dd-118f2d0e55dc
WASHINGTON President Donald Trump is doubling down on his calls to reopen schools in the wake of the coronavirus pandemic, but recent polls show not everyone is behind that idea.
The president tweeted late Sunday night that "Schools in our country should be opened ASAP."
"Much very good information now available," Trump added, while tagging British political adviser and commentator Steven Hilton in his tweet. Shortly before Trump's tweet, Hilton had appeared on Fox News and discussed reopening schools.
Bypassing CDC and John Hopkins Trump not only goes to Fox News but goes to a third string FOX Sunday fill in guy who claims
"Can children infect others? Were constantly told to follow the science and the data, well, here it is" he said. "one study found quote even if children do get infected they are less likely to transmit the disease to other adults. We have not found a single instance of a child infecting parents"
Google "do children spread the coronavirus" and the first article is the one that these idiots are referring to:
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/05/how-sweden-wasted-rare-opportunity-study-coronavirus-schools
But KI pediatrician and clinical epidemiologist Jonas Ludvigsson, who has published two review articles about COVID-19 in children, thinks tracing infected peoples contacts is of little use at this point in the epidemic. The virus is so widespread in society that responsible people do not think it is a good idea to trace individuals. We only test symptomatic individuals. I agree with that, he wrote in response to Science asking whether researchers were tracking school outbreaks
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So far there have been no reports of COVID-19 outbreaks in Swedish schools, citing personal communication from Anders Tegnell, Swedens state epidemiologist, on 12 May. This supports the argument that asymptomatic children attending schools are unlikely to spread the disease, Ludvigsson wrote.
First thing that this idiot Hilton should have noted is that this is not a scientific argument but an unverified hypothesis, the kind of thing that it would be useful to build a scientific study around.
All they had to do is read one more paragraph and they would find that in fact there are outbreaks in Sweedish schools with large numbers of teachers getting the virus and many teachers dying from it.
However, a scan of Swedish newspapers makes clear that school outbreaks have occurred. In the town of Skellefteå, a teacher died and 18 of 76 staff tested positive at a school with about 500 students in preschool through ninth grade. The school closed for 2 weeks because so many staff were sick, but students were not tested for the virus. In Uppsala, staff protested when school officials, citing patient privacy rules, declined to notify families or staff that a teacher had tested positive. No contact tracing was done at the school. At least two staff members at other schools have died, but those schools remained open and no one attempted to trace the spread of the disease there. When asked about these cases, Ludvigsson said he was unaware of them. He did not respond to a query about whether he would amend the review article to include them.
The President of the US is making policy by avoiding experts and relying on weekend hosts on FOX that can't distinguish between an "observation" and a scientific study and fail to read to the end of an article to discover that the very promising idea in the meat of the article has in fact been completely discredited by a "brief scan" of news articles that report that not only can children spread the disease but that where "sheltering at home" was not followed teachers died.
This is a policy making machine that is not only not based by scientific inquiry but is a search to find and promote the thinnest "happy talk" from the most unreliable sources.
uponit7771
(90,304 posts)cry baby
(6,682 posts)SoonerPride
(12,286 posts)He just wants everything to go back to what it was last year
Because he must be re-elected. He cant lose and stay out of prison and he knows it
uponit7771
(90,304 posts)Celerity
(43,134 posts)In fact, you can extend that up to under 40 year olds, and actually even to under 50 year olds, as only above 50 year of age do you see an explosion in terms of death rates.
Here in Sweden we have had one death in the under 20 years of age cohort, a 4 year old with multiple comorbidities
these are the the official stats from Folkhälsomyndigheten, our state health agency
https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/09f821667ce64bf7be6f9f87457ed9aa
and that is with all schools under high school level open the whole time
the youngest half of the country (so around 5.05 million people) has had a total of 21 deaths, almost all with comorbidities
Under 20 years of age 1 total death, and gain not a school age child, it was a 4 year old who had comorbidity
Under 30 years of age 9 total deaths (1 plus 8)
Under 40 years of age 21 total deaths (9 plus 12) <<< this is half our population
99% of all deaths have been over 50 years of age
97% over 60 years of age
89% over 70 years of age
66% over 80 years of age
We are having a large drop off of deaths now (there was a flat out false report a few days back that said we had the highest 7 day deaths per million rate in the world, which was pure rubbish, it literally tripled the rate from the actual one)
Also, our economy is going to get smashed like everyone else soon (as we are a large exporting nation and the global supply chain is all cocked -up for all nations) but Q1 GDP we barely dropped at all (0.3%), especially compared to most other advanced nations
there is so much disinfo out there, and people keep pushing it, including the big lie that going for herd immunity was and is our main goal and strategy when it NEVER was
See this link right below for a take down of that dodgy article and also the 'Sweden is going for herd immunity' tosh
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=13463836
the stats from our official state health agency (I gave the link above)
deaths per day (avlidna per dag)
deaths by age group (our elderly care homes is where we truly fucked up, tragically so, as they have accounted for between 50 and 70% of the deaths per region, a topic I have went into depth on in multiple posts as to why, here is one)
The USA shows similar percentages for the younger cohorts
99.2% of all US CDC documented COVID deaths have come from the 35 years of age and over cohort
97.5% of all US CDC documented COVID deaths have come from the 45 years of age and over cohort
92.6% of all US CDC documented COVID deaths have from the 55 years of age and over cohort
https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Death-Counts-by-Sex-Age-and-S/9bhg-hcku
these numbers need updating (they are 9 days old, the CDC is slacking)
US deaths per age cohort as of May 16th, 2020
Under 15 years of age (61 million people in the US), 12 total documented deaths in that cohort. 7 of those deaths were of school age.
Under 25 years of age (over 104 million people in this group), 88 total documented COVID-19 deaths (12 plus 76)
Under 35 years of age (over 150 million people in this group, so getting near half the entire population) 551 total deaths (88 plus 463)
Under 45 years of age (over 191 million people) 1737 total documented deaths (551 + 1186)
underpants
(182,632 posts)and thats Virginia schools East of 95 mostly. A lot of schools in the western part of the state are already done.
exboyfil
(17,862 posts)and tracking the corona virus spread? One major difference between them and other countries is the elementary kids remaining in school. Also I haven't heard of a daycare cluster spreading here in Iowa even though we kept those open as well.
I think it is stupid to consider having kids return for the end of the year given the short window available. I would say consideration should be given to an early start in the Fall for some subjects like math, reading, and writing.
Celerity
(43,134 posts)I also included US numbers
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100213482637#post29
MyOwnPeace
(16,920 posts)in his sentence structure, but he leaves a trail to show how he builds his stupid argument!
GAWD, he's gotta' go!
certainot
(9,090 posts)to 50 mil a week as long as it takes to make it true
until dems realize that and end it, we cannot have a fact-based national discussion about any issue
Yavin4
(35,423 posts)The right succeeds by amplifying false narratives.
BlueIdaho
(13,582 posts)Hes full on hearing voices in his head. Some people say my ass...
nature-lover
(1,468 posts)Does he not know that school is soon to be (if not already) out for the summer?
forgotmylogin
(7,521 posts)The high school next to me just had (a drive-in) graduation ceremony.
nature-lover
(1,468 posts)grantcart
(53,061 posts)grantcart
(53,061 posts)TomVilmer
(1,832 posts)This misunderstanding was all over the news a month ago ago:
The World Health Organization praised Sweden as a model for battling the coronavirus.
Mike Ryan, the WHOs top emergencies expert, said there are lessons to be learned from Sweden, which has controversially refused to impose restrictions, sparking international criticism.
That praise looked dubious, and the source of it tells a less optimistic story. First of all lessons to be learned is the most polite way to say absolutely nothing. Secondly the other thing quoted was "if we are to reach a new normal in many ways Sweden represents a future model of". Which again tells nothing about the past strategy of Sweden, but is precisely aimed at what do do, when society is slowly reopened.
Last week Sweden had European record numbers in most deaths per capita.
yaesu
(8,020 posts)have a 100 times better social safety net infrastructure than we do. Doing the same thing here is foolish & dangerous.
AlexSFCA
(6,137 posts)the lockdowns ensure hospital capacity, but Sweden didnt have an issue like NYC. They will go on lockdown should hospitals run out of beds. Their policy work well for them and is supported by 75% of citizens. We dont have those levels of support on anything in the US.
Sweden made one mistake (Cuomo too): failed to protect nursing homes early on. Over 50% of all death in Sweden occurred in nursing homes. Swedens local economy is doing better than countries with lockdowns but they are still heavily affected by EU travel bans and lockdowns. Swedens economy is 30% export.
Yavin4
(35,423 posts)And, they have not achieved herd immunity as of yet. They sacrificed lives with nothing to show for it.
So far, the Swedish model is a failure.
Celerity
(43,134 posts)levels. I debunk that and much more in this reply (I link to other deep dives on other threads I did in this link below, that go into detail on herd immunity, etc.)
It is exhausting trying to combat the tosh being put out there.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100213482637#post29
AlexSFCA
(6,137 posts)in which only the total number of deaths after the pandemic that matters, and that must include auxiliary deaths as well, indirect ones. The most important is to maintain sufficient hospital capacity. Sweden is the most progressive country on the planet and their approach to this pandemic is the most radically progressive. There isnt going to be a vaccine for at least 18 months. The news about vaccine you are reading, is fraud aimed at increasing stock value - look at Moderna. Astra Zeneca and others are engaged in this too.
neeksgeek
(1,214 posts)Why are you putting so much emphasis on returning to the Moon? Its obvious youre a Flat Earther!
niyad
(113,079 posts)HELL, even AFA graduated (without, I might add, forcing students to return).
Please, please, do us all a favour and contract a fatal case of this "hoax" that has killed at least 100,000 of our people.
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)He said the stock market looked very good to him, just before it cratered.
He said the number of cases would be down to zero by the beginning of March.
He said 10 weeks ago that anyone who wanted a test could get a test.
Maybe we shouldn't listen to someone who has been so lethally wrong all along?
marieo1
(1,402 posts)My prayer is that there are some intelligent parents out there that love their kids enough to protect them - DJT will NOT protect them.
MissB
(15,804 posts)Teachers with little kids would need daycare. Schools would need food to serve lunches (and those supply lines are quite diverted right now). Schools would have to be deep cleaned constantly ... with what cleaning supplies?
Is there enough hand soap in the nation to supply school bathrooms for constant hand washing?
KS Toronado
(17,155 posts)And the maga crowd eats it up, how sad
grantcart
(53,061 posts)From reading the tweet to reading the Fox host comments to finding what triggered them took me 1 min 42 seconds.
PJMcK
(21,998 posts)He is evil.
Everything-- EVERYTHING!-- he touches dies.
Roland99
(53,342 posts)And thats back-fired horribly