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HAB911

(8,871 posts)
Thu Apr 9, 2020, 08:09 AM Apr 2020

Count me skeptical, but Mark Cuban says

coronavirus will end up improving capitalism with companies putting employees first

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/08/mark-cuban-says-coronavirus-will-end-up-improving-capitalism-with-companies-putting-employees-first.html

Capitalism will become more “compassionate” as a result of the coronavirus pandemic, billionaire entrepreneur Mark Cuban said Wednesday.

“I think capitalism is going to become a lot smarter and a lot more compassionate because of what we’re going through,” Cuban said on CNBC’s “Closing Bell.”

Cuban, owner of the NBA’s Dallas Mavericks, said he thinks executives will now recognize that they need to put employees first. The consequences of not doing so will be greater now than it was in the aftermath of the financial crisis, when social media was still in its nascent stage, Cuban said.

“It can’t just be about shareholders,” Cuban said. “In fact, you have to put employees ahead of shareholders.”

Shareholders will ultimately reward the companies that do so by awarding their stock a higher multiple, Cuban contended.

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Count me skeptical, but Mark Cuban says (Original Post) HAB911 Apr 2020 OP
I've had this discussion with colleagues. DEbluedude Apr 2020 #1
What he meant to say is that it SHOULD change Solomon Apr 2020 #2
Most corporate bosses and short-sighted a-holes looking no far forward than... brush Apr 2020 #31
That might be his vision mercuryblues Apr 2020 #3
is that based on the 1918 pandemic being followed by, uh, the roaring '20s? unblock Apr 2020 #4
Bullshit. They'll air a bunch of ads about how much they care . . . hatrack Apr 2020 #5
I am getting so sick of those "We're here for you" Boomerproud Apr 2020 #7
If there's one truly nimble American industry left, it's the bullshit industry . . . hatrack Apr 2020 #10
Agreed Windy City Charlie Apr 2020 #11
"Well we're here to take your money" durablend Apr 2020 #36
Basically... ConnorMarc Apr 2020 #21
He's right, but it will only last until companies are under pressure to lower costs again. Renew Deal Apr 2020 #6
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOO WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2020 #8
I share my skepticism- bigly Crabby Appleton Apr 2020 #9
Not until all of those share holders safeinOhio Apr 2020 #12
The law would have to change. Laelth Apr 2020 #13
Dems must get rid of corporate personhood SheltieLover Apr 2020 #14
I would like to see that happen. Laelth Apr 2020 #19
That is repulsive! SheltieLover Apr 2020 #22
Back in the day ... Laelth Apr 2020 #33
That's not true. The board is elected Phoenix61 Apr 2020 #15
Both statements you made in the previous post are true. Laelth Apr 2020 #16
Capitalistic woo...nt Wounded Bear Apr 2020 #17
NPR On Point's podcast had a deeper discussion MissB Apr 2020 #18
Thanks - Delphinus Apr 2020 #34
not a chance in hell. if that were true unemployment wouldn't be exploding right now Takket Apr 2020 #20
I see the opposite happening. Less compassionate capitalism, if that's possible, will be the new TeamPooka Apr 2020 #23
Yeah, right... JCMach1 Apr 2020 #24
There's literally zero chance this happens. HarlanPepper Apr 2020 #25
not as long as republicans still exist Skittles Apr 2020 #26
Action speaks louder than words Tribetime Apr 2020 #27
'Can't be just about shareholders' - or executives with stock options! empedocles Apr 2020 #28
Capitalism never becomes compassionate unless forced. Caliman73 Apr 2020 #29
+1 Laelth Apr 2020 #35
It happened after the plague CanonRay Apr 2020 #30
What a crock! Baked Potato Apr 2020 #32

DEbluedude

(816 posts)
1. I've had this discussion with colleagues.
Thu Apr 9, 2020, 08:20 AM
Apr 2020

The problem I see is that to have compassion for employees one must have a heart. Most of the senior corporate level management that I've dealt with are not only heartless, they are soulless. Looking into their eyes is like looking into a deep dark chasm. It's literally all about Wall Street. Employees ARE nothing more than a number. I too, am a skeptic.

brush

(53,758 posts)
31. Most corporate bosses and short-sighted a-holes looking no far forward than...
Thu Apr 9, 2020, 09:14 PM
Apr 2020

the next quarters' earnings report. If the had any sense they be all in for single-payer healthcare they would've have to fund and pay workers to keep keep track of. Years ago when the auto industry was teetering on the brink, it was reported that every car was $1500 more expensive because of employer sponsored healthcare.

Dumb. Just think how much more competitive American cars would be against Japanese and German cars if they didn't have that added on cost.

Now it's probably even more. Same with all other industries that export their wares.

mercuryblues

(14,526 posts)
3. That might be his vision
Thu Apr 9, 2020, 08:23 AM
Apr 2020

I see it more like a smoke cloud.

Take Verizon, they are laying off thousands of people. I forget the company name, but they are part of Spectrum, raising their starting pay to $20.00 an hour.

Not so sure about shareholders rewarding companies. Companies will be rewarded by their employees. They'll create a loyalty bond between the 2. When a company show they value employees, employees will value the company.

hatrack

(59,583 posts)
5. Bullshit. They'll air a bunch of ads about how much they care . . .
Thu Apr 9, 2020, 08:32 AM
Apr 2020

And when the pandemic dies down, it'll be back to the same vandalism as before.

Windy City Charlie

(1,178 posts)
11. Agreed
Thu Apr 9, 2020, 09:28 AM
Apr 2020

Totally agree! And by the time the 30-second commercial is over I'm left saying, "you're saying you're here for us, but you didn't say how."

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
13. The law would have to change.
Thu Apr 9, 2020, 09:55 AM
Apr 2020

Companies and corporations have binding, state charters and a whole body of law that says the Board of Directors, the CEO, the CFO, and all of management MUST serve the interests of shareholders. Employees are but a means to an end. Unless corporate law changes, this dynamic will not change.

-Laelth

SheltieLover

(57,073 posts)
14. Dems must get rid of corporate personhood
Thu Apr 9, 2020, 10:19 AM
Apr 2020

Last edited Thu Apr 9, 2020, 08:29 PM - Edit history (1)

Corporations only see bottom line & employees aren't valued as sentient beings. They are like kleenex in a box. Single use and throw away for a new one. We call it the kleenex theory.

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
19. I would like to see that happen.
Thu Apr 9, 2020, 07:13 PM
Apr 2020

It will take a liberal Supreme Court to do it.

Even that needed reform, however, would not change fundamental corporate law. Companies are legally bound to act in the interests of their shareholders, not their employees.

-Laelth

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
33. Back in the day ...
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 09:19 AM
Apr 2020

... when the English common law first ALLOWED corporate entities under Queen Elizabeth I, they were royal charters that the monarch would grant ONLY IF that company or corporation served the public interest. These days it’s merely assumed that making profit, however you can, serves the public interest. It’s not true, of course, but that IS the guiding principle of the law in regards to corporate entities these days.

-Laelth

Phoenix61

(16,999 posts)
15. That's not true. The board is elected
Thu Apr 9, 2020, 11:02 AM
Apr 2020

by the stockholders. If the stockholders don’t like what the board is doing, they fire them and elect someone else.

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
16. Both statements you made in the previous post are true.
Thu Apr 9, 2020, 11:14 AM
Apr 2020

Neither statement invalidates my point that the fundamental, legal purpose of a corporate entity is to serve the interests of its stockholders.

-Laelth

MissB

(15,805 posts)
18. NPR On Point's podcast had a deeper discussion
Thu Apr 9, 2020, 11:23 AM
Apr 2020

With him on the topic. It’s 48 minutes long, and worth it to listen to before dissing him completely.

He talked about how companies act now will be important later. How they treat their employees will be part of how well the company moves forward after this. He says that if an employee is paid so little that they need government assistance, then it’s a failing of the company. He said $15/hr is a minimum.

It’s 48 mins long; I can’t possibly capture all of the content here.

TeamPooka

(24,216 posts)
23. I see the opposite happening. Less compassionate capitalism, if that's possible, will be the new
Thu Apr 9, 2020, 07:28 PM
Apr 2020

normal

Caliman73

(11,726 posts)
29. Capitalism never becomes compassionate unless forced.
Thu Apr 9, 2020, 08:14 PM
Apr 2020

This is what happens with rich people. They lose touch with the reality shared by the majority because they do not have to live in it. Just like the message from Geffen aboard his yacht or statements from Gwyneth Paltrow, they are free to make those assumptions because they don't experience the cruelties of Capitalism.

Capitalism, unless sufficiently restrained will ALWAYS grind people up and move toward the concentration of wealth into fewer and fewer hands.

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
35. +1
Fri Apr 10, 2020, 09:25 AM
Apr 2020

This is why I am a liberal. Liberalism seeks to preserve capitalism by preventing its greatest excesses. Liberal politics seek to spead the wealth such that we all benefit from capitalism—not just a few oligarchs.

-Laelth

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