Wait -- What's That?

[H2O Man]

You republicans are saying, yes, Trump and his administrayion did it, but you can't convict him because he thought his being re-elected was in the national interest, and he didn't harm national security. This is the same administration now threatening to prevent the Bolton book from telling exactly what went on, because that is a threat to national security?

[applegrove]

1. Yup. Not going to jive inside of people. "Wait - What?" Should be the

democratic nominee's campaign motto.

[H2O Man]

2. We will destroy them

in November.

[applegrove]

3. Do you mind if i start a thread on contenders for Democratic nominee

motto during the GE using your "Wait - What?" as my entry?

[H2O Man]

4. This could lead

to t-shirts and fun for everyone.

[applegrove]

5. Okay. Here goes.

[DemocracyMouse]

13. I like where you're going with this, but isn't "Wait... What?" Too passive?

How about:

WAIT... WHAT THE FUCK???
Awake the Kraken!!!

[H2O Man]

16. That works well!

I try not to curse on DU, though lately that is difficult. Especially when I'm muttering at a republican on tv ....."You fucking asshole!" being perhaps the most common phrase this week.

[malaise]

21. ROFL

I remember when I used fugg

[H2O Man]

24. Oh, Sister Malaise --

Two days ago, I wrote an essay about the state of mind we need to be in to approach November. Of course I went back to the well, and got talking about when I used to get in the ring to fight. I was doing my best to come across as an advocate for non-violence in body & mind. But then I recognized that I sounded angry. Very, very angry. Yikes! I didn't want to go there, much less post anything like that for the Good People on this forum!

[malaise]

35. That would be Rev Sister to you WaterMan

[llmart]

6. +1000

Yes, we will!

[H2O Man]

17. "Yes, We Will!"

I like that. It is very positive, and we need to be very positive. Thank you!

[babylonsister]

7. From your lips.... I'm

sort of terrified about November, at least at this moment.

[H2O Man]

18. Thank you!

You are not alone -- a LOT of people I've spoken with in the past 72 hours are. I understand exactly why. In fact, I had started a longer essay about just that -- and how we deal with it, and use it to our advantage -- yesterday. But then my dogs got into a scrap over some little thing -- they are brothers, who sometimes remind me of my sons as young teens -- and I came out much worse than either of them. So hopefully I'll have the ability to write one up today.

In the mean time, we will crush them in November. I would not say that if it were not true.

[dweller]

8. well let me put my 2 bits in the wayback juke machine

https://m.

✌🏼

[H2O Man]

19. I love it!!!!!

One good turn deserves another .....

[malaise]

22. Here's another

and he would have been 63 today - the great Dennis Brown

[H2O Man]

25. Thank you!

[Hermit-The-Prog]

48. wait a minute now ...

As posted in one of the "live" threads, Aretha has a word for the Republicans:

[malaise]

49. A great selection

with global meaning

[mercuryblues]

55. Talkin' about a revolution

[Martin Eden]

9. It's just a shot away

What that shot will be
Remains for all to see

[H2O Man]

20. True.

I think the republicans shot their wad yesterday. Now it's time to put their party to sleep.

[Martin Eden]

38. They shot whatever integrity they might have had

And they handed us a bludgeon. The key for Democrats is executing the best strategy for beating them with it.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

10. #censure. #Better than nothing

[H2O Man]

23. In the time

before the impeachment and trial, Lindsey Graham had said that censure was more realistic than a guilty verdict. I have mixed feelings about that. But I will be good with whatever our party's leadership decides.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

50. Well, get them all on record....trying to see a down side.

Guess there could be...it could give them cover in their next election. " See, I am slapping Trump's wrist, but still love him. " Ok..just talked myself out of it . Doesn't matter...we'd probably never do it anyway.

[thenelm1]

11. Funny how that works, ain't it? b/t

[H2O Man]

26. Right!

I find myself thinking, when I watch Trump's defense team, that these are the adult versions of the kids I disliked in high school.

[MuseRider]

29. HA! Thank you!

There are so many versions of these kinds of people but you hit the perfect definition, for me anyway. High School. Some people would do anything to relive those days. Me? Not in a million years yet here we are. Amazing.

[H2O Man]

30. Right?

I didn't like them then, and nothing has changed since then.

I think it is essential that we see and define them in that way.

[mjvpi]

37. Yes! The snide libertarians on the debate team.

[H2O Man]

41. We encountered

the same character-types, I see!

[usaf-vet]

12. Which is another good reason for Bolton to go out and spill his guts BEFORE tRump closes the door.

Talk this weekend before tRump gags you and your book. How much will it be worth if your fighting in courts to get it released this time next year in 2021.

[H2O Man]

28. He really should.

Bolton is a shit. There's nothing about him that I like, at all. No respect for the man. But I recognize that he is intelligent, and capable of doing serious harm to this administration. He needs to put the nation's interests ahead of book sales.

[usaf-vet]

40. I bet if he doesn't speak out now and details trickle out from outer sources it will damage his book

If he talks now when it would help I would buy his book and give it to the library. If he doesn't speak out now there is no chance in hell that I would buy his book.

[H2O Man]

43. I agree 100% !

Bolton needs to consider his potential audience -- both those demanding that he speak now, and potential buyers of his book. Clearly, the Trump cult isn't found in either group. And the overlap between the groups will evaporate if he doesn't speak up very soon.

[LudwigPastorius]

14. "L'etat, c'est moi"

The craven GOPers in the Senate have just crowned the first American king. That he is a corrupt, insane, racist is no matter to them. Trump is their Emperor/God, and they just flushed the Constitution down the toilet because they want more tax cuts and Supreme Court picks, and are afraid of that fuckstick and his followers.

[H2O Man]

31. Exactly!

I am always reminded of Erich Fromm's 1973 book on "The Anatomy of Human Destructiveness." A large part of it focuses upon what types of personalities are required for a character such as Hitler to rise to power in a society. We are witnessing that today.

[spanone]

15. K&R⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️

republican senators, true profiles in cowardice

[State the Obvious]

32. I'll buy THIS book....

Profiles in Cowardice

.....whenever someone writes it!

[H2O Man]

33. Thank you!

I understand that senators can, even if a president has committed serious offenses, vote "not guilty." But this requires several things: the president must admit that they have done wrong, promise not to repeat the ill-behavior, and be near the end of their presidency. None of these markers is satisfied here -- just the opposite.

[dweller]

27. kick rec

https://m.

✌🏼

[H2O Man]

34. Great song!

Thank you!

[mjvpi]

39. Great song. Used in a perfect scene in one of my favorite movies of all time.

The Magic Christian with Peter Sellers and Ringo Star. The scene that song goes with is a perfect portrait of the GOP.

[H2O Man]

44. A great movie!

Funny, I was thinking about it the other day. I love Ringo. Seeing him in concert in late 2018 was a blast.

[llmart]

47. Love that song!

We had the best music back in my youth.

[ElementaryPenguin]

36. GREAT song!

And just right for the occasion!

[H2O Man]

45. It is great!

Definitely one of the best! And it fits this time perfectly!

[treestar]

42. Maybe Biden should make a deal with Putin

to roll back sanctions for dirt on the Dotard. That's perfectly OK, per Republicans.

[H2O Man]

46. Seriously.

In over 300 boxing matches, I can honestly say that I never fouled or used dirty tactics unless the other guy did, and the referee didn't say a word. If it reached that point, I knew that anything goes. And in each and every instance, the opponent did not survive to hear the last bell.

[PCIntern]

51. Wow! You boxed?

I’m very impressed. I have had a fair number of the famous Philly boxers as patients over the years: amazing stories from them. I know it’s horriftingly primitive but it “gets you” on a deep level.

My dad and I used to watch the Friday night fights together and I used to vicariously enjoy the action since I was a really small kid with little upper body strength and pencil arms. I considered myself a student of the sport into and beyond my college years but stopped watching all classes during the Tyson era for whatever reason.

I remember going to see the great film Rocky here in Philly when it was first out and my friends with whom I went didn’t understand why I was laughing at the fight scenes, which were great theatrics but “unrealistic” does not begin to describe the outcome after even one of those combinations that Apollo Creed landed in the first round.

As an aside, I happened to be sitting next to Phillys most famous pitchman, Gene Crane, in a restaurNt when he accepted the role as Philly’s mayor for Rocky III. It was at The dearly departed Arthur’s Steak House on Walnut Street.

[H2O Man]

52. Yeah, a long time ago!

As a teen, I was featured in boxing magazines. I fought a total of 329 times. Lost 9 of those, but beat each of the guys that would give me a re-match. One guy beat me twice, but that was out of nine fights.

Now days, I still train a couple guys for the NYS Golden Gloves (all of the state above NYC, which has their own GG.) This year, it's down to one, my younger son. Philly's son Marvis Frazier used to help me train him. (Another old Philly friend was Eugene "Cyclone" Hart, who you may remember. Tough man. His son fights these days.)

It's a strange thing .... as I was watching the impeachment trial, I found myself experiencing the same mental processes that I did when I sized an opponent up.

[PCIntern]

53. I went to high school with the

Golden Gloves champion of Trenton, Ivy Mingo. He’s deceased now, but one guy in my school pulled a knife on him because he thought Mingo was staring at his gf. Ivy said, “just put it away.” The guy swiped st him and Ivy punched him once: a short jab to his chin. The guy was out before he hit the ground. Didn’t move. We thought he was dead.
I will say that the punch happened so fast that if I hadn’t been staring intently, I’d have missed it.
Ivy got thrown out of school for threatening to kill the headmaster and rape his wife. Six PA State Police picked him up carrying two shotguns in addition to their sidearms. We were scared out of our wits. We never saw him again.

[H2O Man]

54. It's a tough sport.

When we were young, one of my brothers & my friends died in the ring. I remember thinking, "Wow! Poor Frank!," but not being smart enough to recognize how dangerous the sport is. And, as you know, it's not just that people die. Getting punched over and over, in training or in fights, isn't good.

A few years after my brother retired, we all noticed serious changes in his behavior. He had taken a lot of punches to the forehead, which causes a distinct set of symptoms. He became hostile, paranoid, and threatening. Then the substance abuse started, which made everything far worse. He would inhabit county jail and mental institutions frequently. These days, he's in a wheelchair, and talks non-stop about UFOs and aliens.

In a sense, my brother's style was more Frazier, and mine Ali. I took more blows to the back of the head, and now deal with the long-term effects of that.One of my cousins, James, taught at Temple's neurological studies until his death in 2007. We used to talk about the long-term damage that getting hit causes.

I try to talk the two of my children who box out of it. They are both aware of their uncle's and my boxing-related issues. Since they insist, I just try to have them as well prepared as possible.

This conversation has me thinking of how every generation of my family, since my grandfather came here from Ireland, has produced boxers. My 105 lb daughter in Boston messaged me this morning, to say she has a bout in two weeks. Law office by day, musician on weekends, and boxer evenings. She is the most gentle person I've ever met. Yet she's used a picture of me training for the cover of her first CD. Yikes!

[PCIntern]

56. I wish you all well

To some extent, I understand the conflicts and the realities