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grantcart

(53,061 posts)
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 12:17 PM Dec 2019

Today Impeachment, predicting pardons tomorrow


Trump has only one move, double down.

Nothing doubles down more than pardoning and with Manafort out of double jeopardy it's perfect for him and shows all the co conspirators that they will be saved if they just stay quiet.

Anybody who is not against Trump at this point isn't going to object to a pardon.

After it is done it will be seen as expected, normal and not THAT bad.

Nauseating.
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Today Impeachment, predicting pardons tomorrow (Original Post) grantcart Dec 2019 OP
i'm really hoping they are moving on further articles. mopinko Dec 2019 #1
I would wait until he actually does it before I'd get nauseated. marble falls Dec 2019 #2
I am already there grantcart Dec 2019 #8
Trump would only ever pardon himself or one of his children or a celebrity. cbdo2007 Dec 2019 #3
I've been thinking that all week. jaysunb Dec 2019 #4
Not tomorrow FBaggins Dec 2019 #5
truth JuJuYoshida Dec 2019 #6
Spot on! Va Lefty Dec 2019 #7
I heard yesterday that BumRushDaShow Dec 2019 #9
I think that ability ends with impeachment WhiteTara Dec 2019 #10
He is still the President and retainscall of his powers in Article II grantcart Dec 2019 #11
damn and thanks! WhiteTara Dec 2019 #12
The pardons come the day after the next election in Nov 2020 NightWatcher Dec 2019 #13

mopinko

(70,070 posts)
1. i'm really hoping they are moving on further articles.
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 12:20 PM
Dec 2019

they are fools if they dont have obstruction of justice article written already.
if he pardons any involved in '16, throw that on the pile.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
8. I am already there
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 12:28 PM
Dec 2019

The fact that the Republicans are basically asserting that there will be one set of laws for Republicans and another for everyone else is in itself nauseating.

I can understand an attempt to argue on Article I but Article II should have unanimous assent. Even Republicans should be unanimous on the point of process and accountability.

It makes my stomach turn.

cbdo2007

(9,213 posts)
3. Trump would only ever pardon himself or one of his children or a celebrity.
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 12:24 PM
Dec 2019

He doesn't care about any of the other fools he associates himself with. He has no loyalty to them and thinks they are idiots for getting caught.

jaysunb

(11,856 posts)
4. I've been thinking that all week.
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 12:24 PM
Dec 2019

Especially with Flynn. The Judge is going to throw the book at him and Trump will be santa next week. Smh

FBaggins

(26,727 posts)
5. Not tomorrow
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 12:26 PM
Dec 2019

Pardons (if any) will most likely occur right after election day (win or lose).

Unless there becomes a reason to think that one would help him with his base.

BumRushDaShow

(128,746 posts)
9. I heard yesterday that
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 12:29 PM
Dec 2019

Federal employees were given off on December 24th (plus would sign the appropriations that includes a 3.1% pay increase for federal employees.

ETA - https://www.govexec.com/pay-benefits/2019/12/surprise-move-trump-gives-federal-employees-christmas-eve/161974/

The Christmas Eve "off" usually happens if it occurs on a Monday (with Christmas Day on a Tuesday) and a day off has been given in the past if Christmas Day is on a Thursday (and the administrative day will become that Friday the 26th). So this is an odd one (often Departments have given 2-hours off on Christmas Eve but had never experienced a near-middle of the week complete day off like this).

WhiteTara

(29,699 posts)
10. I think that ability ends with impeachment
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 12:32 PM
Dec 2019

DU constitutional scholars, is that correct or can he continue the rampage?

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
13. The pardons come the day after the next election in Nov 2020
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 12:44 PM
Dec 2019

He'll either be a lame duck or in full on burn it down to the ground mode.

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