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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsBREAKING: A senior Deutsche Bank executive who signed off on major Trump loans killed himself in CA
Link to tweet
malaise
(268,664 posts)Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!
mfcorey1
(11,001 posts)Fortinbras Armstrong
(4,473 posts)First is a bit from the novel Cetaganda, by Lois McMaster Bujold:
It was suicide, wasn't it?"
"In an involuntary sort of way," said Vorob'yev. "These Cetagandan political suicides can get awfully messy, when the principal won't cooperate."
"Thirty-two stab wounds in the back, worst case of suicide they ever saw?" murmured Ivan, clearly fascinated by the gossip.
"Exactly, my lord.
The second is an actual historical incident. The French Admiral Villeneuve, who lost the 1805 Battle of Trafalgar, was out of favor with Napoleon because he had lost the battle. About a year later, he was found in a hotel room with six knife wounds to the lungs and one to the heart. The official cause of death was suicide.
underpants
(182,585 posts)He fell down?
Yeah, about 38 times.
malaise
(268,664 posts)and not from novels
ck4829
(35,037 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)And Dr. Lucas in particular?
Do you believe that he is stupid, a coward, or simply corrupt?
https://mec.lacounty.gov/2018/press-releases/lucas-named-new-l-a-county-medical-examiner-coroner/
Dr. Lucas, 49, has worked for more than 15 years for the County of San Diego, where he first served as deputy medical examiner and then as chief deputy medical examiner. Prior to that, he was a medical examiner in New York City.
Dr. Lucas has distinguished himself as an expert on a range of issues, including illicit drug-related fatalities. During his career, he has personally performed more than 4,000 autopsies.
Do you frequently believe Democratic administrations are corrupt?
Tipperary
(6,930 posts)I wonder if you will get many replies.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)People dont like science-based reasoning when it conflicts with their pet knee jerk.
FM123
(10,053 posts)bobGandolf
(871 posts)got to love this response,
malaise (198,755 posts)
1. or was he suicided?
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!
Ilsa
(61,690 posts)I wonder why he was so intent on killing himself? He's the supervisor of the banker who loans to trumps and kushner.
ck4829
(35,037 posts)Mike 03
(16,616 posts)There is a book coming out in February (see below). Maybe this issue is about to heat up, or explode? Notice the suicide-by-hanging in the book's description.
Dark Towers: Deutsche Bank, Donald Trump, and an Epic Trail of Destruction by David Enrich
On a rainy Sunday in 2014, a senior executive at Deutsche Bank was found hanging in his London apartment. Bill Broeksmit had helped build the 150-year-old financial institution into a global colossus, and his sudden death was a mystery, made more so by the banks efforts to deter investigation. Broeksmit, it turned out, was a man who knew too much.
In Dark Towers, award-winning journalist David Enrich reveals the truth about Deutsche Bank and its epic path of devastation. Tracing the banks history back to its propping up of a default-prone American developer in the 1880s, helping the Nazis build Auschwitz, and wooing Eastern Bloc authoritarians, he shows how in the 1990s, via a succession of hard-charging executives, Deutsche made a fateful decision to pursue Wall Street riches, often at the expense of ethics and the law.
Soon, the bank was manipulating markets, violating international sanctions to aid terrorist regimes, scamming investors, defrauding regulators, and laundering money for Russian oligarchs. Ever desperate for an American foothold, Deutsche also started doing business with a self-promoting real estate magnate nearly every other bank in the world deemed too dangerous to touch: Donald Trump. Over the next twenty years, Deutsche executives loaned billions to Trump, the Kushner family, and an array of scandal-tarred clients, including convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein.
Dark Towers is the never-before-told saga of how Deutsche Bank became the global face of financial recklessness and criminalitythe corporate equivalent of a weapon of mass destruction. It is also the story of a man who was consumed by fear of what hed seen at the bankand his sons obsessive search for the secrets he kept.
https://www.amazon.com/Dark-Towers-Deutsche-Donald-Destruction/dp/0062878816/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=Deutsche+bank&qid=1574848089&s=books&sr=1-1
Could be totally unrelated, I know. Just... wondering...
Roland99
(53,342 posts)Thanks for the reminder!
Edit. I was thinking of Broeksmit
DeminPennswoods
(15,265 posts)IIRC, Enright is the financial editor at the NYT.
stillcool
(32,626 posts)Republicans always seem to have major banking scandals when they're at the helm.
Scarsdale
(9,426 posts)connected to tRump ends up either dead or in prison. More to come, no doubt. He is the personification of pure evil. No wonder the gop admires him so much. He is definitely their kind of guy.
Grokenstein
(5,721 posts)Norbert
(6,038 posts)When people around the orange monster end up dead it borders on reality , if not crossing that border.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)It beats thinking.
wnylib
(21,311 posts)of people with personal or financial knowledge about Trump while he is under investigation. And Trump is known to have "business" connections with Russian oligarchs whose tactics are equivalent to a Russian mafia.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Do you also find deaths by heart failure suspicious on a regular basis?
This is "Clinton Body Count" bullshit, but with the name changed.
Wait, wait, don't tell me.... the "Clinton Body Count" stuff isn't true, but the exact same idiotic mindset on the other side is true. Is that correct?
wnylib
(21,311 posts)into this discussion? You are implying that it is a regular habit with me.
Regular basis? Of course not. And what is the analigy with heart attacks about?
At any rate, I did not give a definitive statement that this was not a suicide. I did say thst the circumstsnces look suspicious. It is not a matter of political favoritism with me, either. There was no reason to be suspicious in the circumstances of deaths the Clintons were outright accused of by political spinmasters, AFAIK.
But Epstein"s death aroused enough concern to be investigated. The death of a supervisor from a bank known for corrupt practices and for giving Trump loans when no one else would, as well as for Russian oligarch money laundering, does contribute to suspicious circumstances.
Suicides do arouse suspicion and investigation if the circumstsnces suggest it could have been staged or the person was under intense pressure or threat. Frequency statistics on suicide do not determine whether investigation should occur. Circumstsnces surrounding it determine thst.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)It was investigated by Ryan Benevidez-Parraz and Dr. Chris Young of the LA County coroner's department.
https://mec.lacounty.gov/case-detail/?caseNumber=2019-08698
What, in your opinion, since you have obviously reviewed their report and findings, did they get wrong?
Is it because they work for a Democratic administration that you are inclined to believe they are corrupt or incompetent?
Unless you want to provide a reasoned basis of your rejection of their report (which I'm sure you haven't purchased, but can here: https://mec.lacounty.gov/purchase-case-documents/?caseNumber=2019-08698 ) then this is not an exercise in "investigation" or even critical thinking.
It is mindless reflexive bullshit, which is simply a mirror image of the "Clinton Body Count" mouth-breathing idiocy.
wnylib
(21,311 posts)official record from the ME and investigator. Thank you for that. It is factual.
But you have also added personal commentary in dripping sarcasm that is not factual e.g. suggesting that I would distrust them "because they work for a Democratic administration."
You are correct that I have not purchased the entire report and so have not read it. So your claim that I have rejected it or found something wrong with it is also personal commentary that is dripping sarcasm.
But I stand corrected in the facts of the investigation, and the fact thst I should get more information before opining.
But I reject your self image as someone who sticks to facts and reason in discussions when you throw in sarcastic personal commentary. OTOH, I have been called far worse than "mindless" in my lifetime so I think I will hold up under your scathing opinion.
But I will suggest that you use more diplomatic means of correcting people and disseminating information. Regardless of your personal opinion of individuals, the posters here at DU are on the same team, politically, at least.
MrsCoffee
(5,801 posts)Have you counted the number of people in Trumps circle who have pled/been found guilty or are still under investigation? Was Hillary the puppet of brutal dictators? Did she give speeches that incited incidences like Charlottesville? Did she invite Russians into the Oval Office with their phones and cameras? Have you listened to anything Michael Cohen or Trumps victims say about how Trump threatens people?
It is not the same at all.
triron
(21,984 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Which one?
What makes you more qualified?
uponit7771
(90,301 posts)2naSalit
(86,308 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)gab13by13
(21,234 posts)better have a good insurance policy.
bucolic_frolic
(43,027 posts)I searched a month ago and couldn't find much pre-1960s and post-WWII. Swiss banks were supposedly where all the banking secrecy was, but this seems under the radar too. Was it Hitler's bank, or did Schacht bank there or use it to stash funds? What happened to funds on deposit at the end of WWII? I think the Wikipedia article said DB did forensics in the 60s, and everything was cleaned up?? Haven't time to look at it more closely this morning. But it is a subject for research. Why were they lending to Trump, and what were the source of the funds? Was Russia using DB at any time before or after the war? Was it used to hide Nazi money like the Swiss banks were rumored to?
My mind goes back to a work of fiction, Robert Ludlum's The Holcroft Covenant where a modern New Yorker inherits billions that his dad a Nazi General dumped in a Swiss Bank. But hey, it's fiction, and Ludlum was a master spinmeister.
samnsara
(17,604 posts)....with Deutsche Bank return address. what must my postwoman think!!?? lol
blue_moo
(2 posts)ck4829
(35,037 posts)jimmil
(629 posts)They found two bullets through the back of his head. Definite suicide....
dewsgirl
(14,961 posts)Brother Buzz
(36,364 posts)and it was going to be career ending UGLY.
Rosemary Vrablic still has the dirt. Now, if Rosemary Vrablic croaks, all bets are off
getagrip_already
(14,605 posts)It's almost like the author is using rw terms.....
exboyfil
(17,862 posts)be hearing for six months how Trump allies killed him.
Maddow is not like Hannity, and those who watch Maddow are not like the critical thinking challenged audience who watches Hannity.
dewsgirl
(14,961 posts)getagrip_already
(14,605 posts)The only place this story appears is forensicnews.net, which is a political blog site founded earlier this year and has nothing to do with medical forensics.
I couldn't find any other news stories on this death, or even a death notice.
I didn't look that hard, but this guy is real, so since he died a week ago you think it would be well reported given the connection.
malaise
(268,664 posts)Thanks
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Good luck.
Roland99
(53,342 posts)Roland99
(53,342 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)They make decisions based on expertise, facts and evidence.
What match are those corrupt and rank amateurs against the finely tuned sleuths here at DU?
Roland99
(53,342 posts)FM123
(10,053 posts)Frustratedlady
(16,254 posts)He may have taken one chance too many with that pair with the hopes they would come through with their end of the deal.
Just sayin'.
I had an old friend who started his own bank and, against his better judgement and after attempts to talk his friend out of his idea for a new business, gave in and loaned his friend the money. As he predicted, his friend failed and was so embarrassed, he committed suicide.
Shortly after, my friend put a gun in his mouth and pulled the trigger.
It happens.
Having Trump and Kushner's names tied to this deal would naturally make things look suspicious. Not sure how I stand.
Johonny
(20,817 posts)gibraltar72
(7,498 posts)albacore
(2,398 posts)People who work for DB just keep killing themselves.
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/30/business/dealbook/deutsche-bank-flew-and-fell-some-paid-a-high-price.html
uponit7771
(90,301 posts)Roland99
(53,342 posts)UCmeNdc
(9,600 posts)Kid Berwyn
(14,789 posts)UK cops said the oligarch committed suicide.
Berezovsky family coroner said, cant rule out murder.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/27/boris-berezovsky-inquest-open-verdict-death
YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)But it reeks of scandal. Anyone associated with Trump and loaning money has to be a scandal. Lots of connections: Justin Kennedy (former SC Justice Kennedy's son who had a hand in Deutsche Bank loans to Trump) and his father's sudden resignation, replaced by Kavanaugh, Trump's need for the loans to keep his ''empire'' alive etc. the implications of Russian money laundering. Now this. I'm trying to see where it all will lead. Maybe someone will connect the dots.
Roland99
(53,342 posts)YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)According to the article, he was going to be called before Congress regarding Trumps relationship with the bank.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Now that is interesting. Too bad we will never know what he would have had to say.
Roland99
(53,342 posts)Link to tweet
"Bowers...was widowed in 2017, and reportedly became engaged this summer to a longtime Malibu local he had known since childhood...the two broke up shortly before Bowers committed suicide."
cwydro
(51,308 posts)As was pointed out in the thread earlier - suicide is a common form of death.
Sad, but true.