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So, why didn't Mueller mention the Deutsche Bank loan arrangements? (Original Post) Goodheart Aug 2019 OP
Investigating Trump's finances was outside his charge. kstewart33 Aug 2019 #1
As if finances were not incentives? Goodheart Aug 2019 #2
+1 uponit7771 Aug 2019 #18
Nope. Kingofalldems Aug 2019 #3
IDK - It might lower the Barr et al which has Backseat Driver Aug 2019 #4
mueller was commissioned to investigate the connection with the russian government rampartc Aug 2019 #5
Fact is they are ever so closer to being in our hands. Kingofalldems Aug 2019 #6
Mueller bowed to the bully-boy tactics of Trump and Giuliani to end the investigation too early. Doodley Aug 2019 #7
And Barr maxsolomon Aug 2019 #16
Mueller was charged with investigating Russian interference and issues arising from such meow2u3 Aug 2019 #8
Yes, and he also delegated a bunch of things to SDNY and others. GoCubsGo Aug 2019 #13
It wasn't in his scope NewJeffCT Aug 2019 #9
Favoring Russia over the US is not illegal. Really. Cicada Aug 2019 #10
But being involved in money laundering schemes IS illegal! ElementaryPenguin Aug 2019 #11
Laundering clean money is legal Cicada Aug 2019 #12
Money laundering is a federal crime. What are you talking about? triron Aug 2019 #14
Did you read what you posted? onenote Aug 2019 #15
Hard to say conclusively that an Oligarch's money is "clean". maxsolomon Aug 2019 #17
The issue is all the dirty money they've stolen from the Russian government. n/t pnwmom Aug 2019 #20
It is as president when there are emolument violations involved like having foreign cosigned debt uponit7771 Aug 2019 #21
The emoluments clause only applies to money from foreign govts or nobility Cicada Aug 2019 #22
Maybe that was part of the counterintelligence investigation referred to the FBI. n/t pnwmom Aug 2019 #19

kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
1. Investigating Trump's finances was outside his charge.
Wed Aug 28, 2019, 08:41 AM
Aug 2019

That was Mueller's take about his responsibilities in the charge that Congress provided him.

Backseat Driver

(4,380 posts)
4. IDK - It might lower the Barr et al which has
Wed Aug 28, 2019, 08:51 AM
Aug 2019

quite a different meaning of compromise; en flagrante dilecto or nothin'

rampartc

(5,387 posts)
5. mueller was commissioned to investigate the connection with the russian government
Wed Aug 28, 2019, 08:56 AM
Aug 2019

he was always meant to bark up the wrong tree.

meow2u3

(24,759 posts)
8. Mueller was charged with investigating Russian interference and issues arising from such
Wed Aug 28, 2019, 09:21 AM
Aug 2019

Trump's finances predated the Russian cyberinvasion and was outside the scope of his investigation.

GoCubsGo

(32,075 posts)
13. Yes, and he also delegated a bunch of things to SDNY and others.
Wed Aug 28, 2019, 11:50 AM
Aug 2019

All of the stuff that he unearthed that didn't pertain directly to his investigation was sent to other branches. I have little doubt he passed the Deutsche Bank findings onto the financial crimes divisions, as well as to various state Attorneys General, such as Leticia James of the State of New York.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
9. It wasn't in his scope
Wed Aug 28, 2019, 09:28 AM
Aug 2019

if Comey/McCabe made his mandate too broad, it risked violating the 4th Amendment

Cicada

(4,533 posts)
10. Favoring Russia over the US is not illegal. Really.
Wed Aug 28, 2019, 10:31 AM
Aug 2019

Russian individuals doing business with Trump is legal. Even favoring Russia over the US is legal. So why would Mueller talk about it?

ElementaryPenguin

(7,800 posts)
11. But being involved in money laundering schemes IS illegal!
Wed Aug 28, 2019, 10:52 AM
Aug 2019

Why do you think those Russian oligarchs co-signed Trump's loans? They have been business partners, through money laundering, for years.

Cicada

(4,533 posts)
12. Laundering clean money is legal
Wed Aug 28, 2019, 11:38 AM
Aug 2019

Oligarchs can legally transfer legally earned money from Russia to the USA. Trump financially dependent on friends of Putin is a screaming conflict of interest but it is not illegal. I am not sure Mueller had any reason to comment on it.

onenote

(42,587 posts)
15. Did you read what you posted?
Wed Aug 28, 2019, 01:28 PM
Aug 2019

It specifically states that the crime of money laundering involves financial transactions "with proceeds that were generated from certain specific crimes, known as "specified unlawful activities"".

In other words, transactions involving "clean" money don't run afoul of money laundering laws, which is what the post you responded to said.

maxsolomon

(33,246 posts)
17. Hard to say conclusively that an Oligarch's money is "clean".
Wed Aug 28, 2019, 01:38 PM
Aug 2019

Last edited Wed Aug 28, 2019, 02:45 PM - Edit history (1)

Since the entire government of Rusher is a criminal organization.

But I agree that co-signed loans aren't illegal per se. They're just a great reason not to re-elect the bastard.

Cicada

(4,533 posts)
22. The emoluments clause only applies to money from foreign govts or nobility
Wed Aug 28, 2019, 05:02 PM
Aug 2019

Oligarchs are individuals.

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