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Wed Jul 24, 2019, 06:17 PM

 

YES, Pelosi just said this.

Not having enough votes in the Senate to convict Trump is not the reason she would not impeach Trump. She said she wants to build the case and if there is enough evidence to impeach she will do it and force the Republicans to make a decision.

This is what I have been saying all along. You cannot worry about the Republicans. If there is enough evidence to impeach, you impeach period.

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Reply YES, Pelosi just said this. (Original post)
shockey80 Jul 2019 OP
calimary Jul 2019 #1
alwaysinasnit Jul 2019 #3
Bettie Jul 2019 #8
Hermit-The-Prog Jul 2019 #19
CTyankee Jul 2019 #56
Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2019 #62
CTyankee Jul 2019 #65
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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 06:19 PM

1. And you can't wait and just presume the 2020 vote will take care of everything.

Not with the Russians still deeply involved and more motivated than ever to protect their asset.

It’s just plain NAIVE to assume that we can just vote him out in 2020. I wouldn’t bet on that. Even as hard as I still plan to work, to ensure that we do.

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Response to calimary (Reply #1)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 06:22 PM

3. +1000

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Response to calimary (Reply #1)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 06:33 PM

8. +1

Seriously, we need to work our butts off, but it still might not be enough.

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Response to calimary (Reply #1)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 06:57 PM

19. ongoing House investigations

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Reply #19)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 08:03 PM

56. Let him twist slowly, slowly in the wind...

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Response to CTyankee (Reply #56)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 08:32 PM

62. Take a look at the trajectory of the Gallup tracking

For the last 6 months.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #62)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 08:39 PM

65. Yup, I hope he can't stand it, goes bonkers and is led out of the White House in a strait jacket.

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Response to CTyankee (Reply #65)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 08:43 PM

68. Meltdown, totally. (He fond of that descriptive, totally.) eom

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Response to CTyankee (Reply #65)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 08:49 PM

70. It's not working. His approval trajectory is rising. He

controls the sick narrative. Status quo doesn't cut it.

I am still stunned he is being allowed to get away with felonies

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #70)

Thu Jul 25, 2019, 07:55 AM

94. Did you not hear the testimony? He can't be indicted for any crime let alone a felony while he's

POTUS, because Barr says he can't be.

That was sort of a huge part of what was discussed.... The OLC memo that prevented Mueller from indicting.

We know that impeachment won't remove him, and he's sure as hell not going to resign because anyone who watched the testimony heard this:

Buck: "Could you charge the president with a crime after he left office?"

Mueller: "Yes."

Buck: "You believe that you could charge the president of the United States with obstruction of justice after he left office?"

Mueller: "Yes."


So if you feel an overwhelming need to trash somebody for "allowing him to get away with felonies" Barr is your logical target, not Speaker Pelosi, because that makes some sense when you look at the facts. But do go on using her as a pinata if that makes you happy.

See, I'm an analyst, so facts and data are sort of important to me.



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Response to calimary (Reply #1)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 07:16 PM

36. You can delay

Long enough to hold hearings closer tp the election to keep his crimes fresh in peoples memories when they go to vote!

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Response to calimary (Reply #1)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 07:30 PM

44. Another +10000

DO IT NOW. Start House investigations.

Get the movement and protections into place to stop the hacking. Mueller said it's still going on.



Pelosi is not doing the right thing.

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Response to Duppers (Reply #44)

Thu Jul 25, 2019, 10:35 AM

99. you do realize

that Pelosi and the House passed a sweeping bill to greatly increase election security and that Mitch McConnell has not allowed it a vote or even a committee hearing? How is that Pelosi's fault? Sounds like she did exactly the right thing.

And, there are a ton of investigations progressing through the courts, but Team Trump is stonewalling them at every turn. There are at least two emoluments lawsuits ongoing, as well as lawsuits to obtain tax returns, and lawsuits to obtain witness testimony and more.

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Response to calimary (Reply #1)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 07:41 PM

48. That is as well said

as I think it can be said.

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Response to calimary (Reply #1)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:10 PM

76. You are exactly correct...In 2010 a big reason the Democrats lost the Majority

 

in the House was because they didn't have a backbone to defend the ACA and come right out and defend the huge deficit and explain that was caused by Bush jr.
The Democratic voters were pissed and they stayed home and Walla ..the T-Party took over
Don't think that wont happen in 2020 if nothing is done.
Here is what I think will happen...I believe that if the articles of Impeachment are passed and goes to the Senate there will be a sea of protesters in front of the Senate building demanding they vote to accuse Trump

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Response to calimary (Reply #1)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:14 PM

79. "She said she wants to build the case "

The only thing I can thing of is she is gonna start the inquiry during the run up to the election. Every day news about the orange shitstain "high crimes and misdemeanors" so the voting public hear it 24/7... I guess timing is everything.. I want the fucker out now...
m

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Response to mitch96 (Reply #79)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:57 PM

84. THIS !!!!

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Response to mitch96 (Reply #79)

Thu Jul 25, 2019, 06:11 PM

116. Yes. nt

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Response to calimary (Reply #1)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:53 PM

82. I feel ya, the problem is that not sure how impeaching him is any better a bet than the election.

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Response to calimary (Reply #1)

Thu Jul 25, 2019, 09:48 AM

97. Way to miss the point

Nancy did NOT say wait until 2020 to vote him out.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 06:19 PM

2. you also want all Democrats to support it

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Response to JI7 (Reply #2)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 08:34 PM

63. Was 66%.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 06:26 PM

4. I think we are at the point that it's going to happen...

I think that right before the inquiry we will see committee’s subpoena a couple of people they know will refuse to show. After that dust up the inquiry will start.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 06:27 PM

5. there is already enough evidence to impeach especially if the reason for not

doing so isn't because of the republican senate. Hope I'm wrong,but I get the feeling she is trying slow walk this so she can switch it to let's just focus on 2020.

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Response to standingtall (Reply #5)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 06:54 PM

17. I've also considered the possibility

That Speaker Pelosi is timing it to inflict maximum damage close to the election.

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Response to leftieNanner (Reply #17)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 06:55 PM

18. I hope so to, but I doubt that

nt

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Response to leftieNanner (Reply #17)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 07:12 PM

35. That's what I thought-- think about it--

Hearings all year. William Weld (I hope) banging on this through the primary season.
Some important revelation happening right at convention time.

Drip drip drip, all through 2020.
Everyone getting tired of it all, including the Republicans.
(Maybe during this time, the long-expected recession starts.)
(Maybe Trump makes a few more warlike moves that go nowhere -- I hope nowhere, as I a nephew in the military.)

Then in September or October, Vote. Maybe every Rep votes against... maybe a few peel off, like Susan Brooks who is retiring. Too late for the Senate to have a trial, it goes to the senate.
McConnell does his brick wall thing.

The populace, exhausted, disgusted, goes to vote. Many GOPers choose not to vote for president. Democrats are super=energized and come out like in 2008.

Even Putin can't help Trump enough, and he goes down to defeat... along with Pence, and maybe a few extra senators.

I think it's... not a bad plan.

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Response to dawg day (Reply #35)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 07:22 PM

40. Good plan!

I approve.

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Response to dawg day (Reply #35)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 08:39 PM

67. They could've already began an impeachment inquiry

and stretch it into 2020 if that were the case. I'm becoming more and more convinced that Democrats think they can take their base for granted and therefore their priorities are to not offend soft republican voters.

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Response to standingtall (Reply #67)

Thu Jul 25, 2019, 02:37 PM

106. Sadly I think you're right

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Response to standingtall (Reply #67)

Thu Jul 25, 2019, 03:52 PM

111. you're implying

that Democrats will stay home (take their base for granted) if they don't get an impeachment? I don't think I know a single Democrat that would fall into this category. Hoping I misunderstood.

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Response to dawg day (Reply #35)

Thu Jul 25, 2019, 03:44 PM

110. Agreed. Institutions sometimes work, If there is enough time. n/t

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Response to leftieNanner (Reply #17)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:58 PM

85. +1

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Response to standingtall (Reply #5)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 08:35 PM

64. Yup. Drag it out to January and it's election year

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 06:30 PM

6. Was an amazing press briefing

Impeachment is Imminent .. IMO

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Response to proud patriot (Reply #6)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 07:43 PM

50. thank you for update. I will need to watch it.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 06:31 PM

7. Its the result of a process. He'll be impeached as part of the procss.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 06:34 PM

9. Jeezuz nancy how much more evidence do you need

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 06:36 PM

10. Translation: I don't have the votes.

And like the great speaker she understands the opinion of her caucus on these types of issues is not to be ignored. You don’t Whip your caucus on issues this important.

One thing Nancy know and we should all keep in mind. We did not win in 2018 to impeach but to protect government programs people care about, mainly the ACA. This is our route to victory in 2020.

That may change and today may lead to that change. But not at this time.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 06:36 PM

11. we're asking for a fucking impeachment inquiry

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jesus christ, they are cowards.

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Response to choie (Reply #11)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 07:32 PM

47. +100

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 06:37 PM

12. So, she's essentially saying she doesn't have enough evidence to impeach.

If she doesn't care how the Senate is going to vote, and is only concerned with having a good case, and enough evidence to impeach......then, the only reason possible for not impeaching already is that she doesn't have those things, right?

As things stand, impeachment is not going to happen. Not today. Not tomorrow. Not next week. Not next month. Not next year. It's not even close to happening.

Unless some new evidence comes out that's strong enough to convince a lot of republicans in the Senate to vote to convict, impeachment is going nowhere.

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Response to Captain Stern (Reply #12)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 06:51 PM

15. She said there is still more evidence to gather and court cases to be resolved.

 

Yes they have a lot of evidence. However they waiting to get Trumps financial records and tax returns. There is lot more evidence to gather to build the best case possible for impeachment. Mueller did not investigate Trumps financial crimes. The House has to do that.

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Response to shockey80 (Reply #15)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 06:53 PM

16. Will be years before they get that stuff

especially without launching an impeachment inquiry.

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Response to standingtall (Reply #16)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 06:58 PM

20. Time will tell, the courts may expedite their decisions on Trumps financial records.

 

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Response to shockey80 (Reply #15)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 07:06 PM

28. The evidence won't walk in by itself

 

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Response to shockey80 (Reply #15)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 07:09 PM

33. You do realize trump is already well over halfway through his term, yes?

We've been trying to get his tax returns for years. What makes you think it's going to happen in the next few months?

trump isn't getting impeached before the election. It just isn't going to happen. There is just no serious political will to do it, and as things stand, there shouldn't be. There just isn't a big public demand for impeachment.

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Response to Captain Stern (Reply #33)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 07:54 PM

54. Why do you say years? The house ways and means committee

 

requested the returns In April, this year. They sued at the begging of this month.

Before the midterms we didn't have the "ways and means" to go after them.

(But I agree with your assessment regarding impeachment.)

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Response to Captain Stern (Reply #12)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 08:56 PM

73. So basically he has to kill someone on 5th Ave

What you say is true...but incredibly sad to the core of my being. That my party won't stand up regardless of consequences and hold a felon president accountable just makes me want to cry today. It would be one thing if his poll numbers were slumping or we had been successful in enacting election protection..but that had not happened.

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Response to Captain Stern (Reply #12)

Thu Jul 25, 2019, 01:31 PM

104. No, she's saying that there isn't enough evidence to convince her caucus to vote

All it takes to prevent a resolution to commence an impeachment inquiry from passing would be the defection of around 10 percent of the Democrats in the House. Or put another way, even if 90 percent of the House Democrats support such an inquiry, that's not good enough to pass the resolution.

Nancy doesn't bring matters to a vote unless she's got the support needed to succeed. She's not going to put something up for a vote that won't pass.

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Response to onenote (Reply #104)

Thu Jul 25, 2019, 04:06 PM

112. it's the math

but it seems like we have to keep repeating it. Over, and over, and over.
(are we all happy about it? NO. Does that make any difference? NO!)

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Response to onenote (Reply #104)

Thu Jul 25, 2019, 06:14 PM

117. Good point.

She's not just saying she doesn't have enough evidence to get the Republicans in the Senate to convict.

She's saying that she doesn't even have enough evidence to get our Democratic House members to start impeachment proceedings.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 06:44 PM

13. From my twitter feed

Speaker Nancy Pelosi is still not ready to impeach: 'We still have some outstanding matters in the courts'

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #13)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 07:01 PM

23. I stopped reading Raw Story long time ago.

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #13)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 08:58 PM

74. well, it is true--she wants a strong case. I listened to some of the Press Conference.

she did say there were matters in the courts yet.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 06:44 PM

14. maybe she should read the Mueller report.

collect information regarding emoluments, obstruction, corruption.

as far as i can tell he's been committing impeachable actions since day 1 of his administration. sigh.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 07:00 PM

21. there will NEVER be enough votes in the senate....NEVER . EVER .

Not with this Senate.

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Response to spanone (Reply #21)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 07:05 PM

26. That's true but you have to build the case, atm Trump is threatening to pull witnesses even from an

Impeachment Inquiry. Democrats need to have their ducks in a row before aimlessly wandering down this road.

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Response to OnDoutside (Reply #26)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 07:06 PM

27. Mueller built the case. Nobody is wandering down any road

If democrats don't have their ducks in a row by now, we've already lost.

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Response to spanone (Reply #27)

Thu Jul 25, 2019, 01:29 AM

88. They can't get any of the central witnesses to appear !!! They'd

look like a bunch of eejits if they started an impeachment inquiry and Trump's obstruction (which he has said he would do) even then blocked the likes of McGahn. There are ongoing cases that need to be won first in the courts. It's frustrating for all of us but patience is required.

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Response to spanone (Reply #21)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 07:24 PM

41. There's not even enough votes in the House.

 

Just recently when Al Green called for impeachment, only 95 of our house members voted against blocking the articles of impeachment.

Nancy Pelosi is a BRILLIANT politician and incredibly savvy. Personally, I’ve got 100% confidence that every move she makes with regards to this is 100% in the Democratic Party and the United States’ best interest.

How many votes will she have?
How many of those votes will suffer losses in 2020 as a result?
If we go for it and the measure passes, what are all the ramifications for 2020?
Worse, if we go for it, and the measure fails, what are all the ramifications for 2020?
How will such a resolution weigh on our 2020 POtUS bid?
How will such a resolution weigh on the Senate runs of 2020?

I trust Nancy Pelosi, and I trust our Democratic Party House membership.


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Response to spanone (Reply #21)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 07:41 PM

49. These not enough votes in the House!

That’s what she is saying. She will not whip her house members on this issue. They would defy her and she knows it.

Our house caucus knows that a failed impeachment or even a lack of conviction might cost us the house.

A Pyrrhic Victory is a loss!

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 07:00 PM

22. Totally agree. Make the case. It has to be a strong case.

It will force Republicans to go on the record when they vote. There is a point when voters will see the light. Not everyone. But should be enough to make a difference and scare the shit out of the Republicans.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 07:02 PM

24. I've been saying the exact same thing for months. What shocks me is that there are so many people

here, who haven't taken the time to see the bigger picture.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 07:03 PM

25. Can they not begin the impeachment inquiry and add additional crimes and

violations as evidence presents itself? Surely there must be enough evidence to begin with at least some of trump's crimes.

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Response to Poiuyt (Reply #25)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 08:39 PM

65. Excellent point. My two articles 1) he and GOP

knew Russia interfered in 2006 and are not protecting our country for 2020. And 2) trump reversed an Obama reg that stopped coal companies from dumping cancer causing sludge into the streams our kids play in.

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Response to Poiuyt (Reply #25)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 08:54 PM

72. I am hoping that the impeachment Inquiry begins very soon. They will be off for 6 weeks and

I hope some committee members are working on this. I should say the HOUSE is in recess---not on vacation.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 07:07 PM

29. yup

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 07:07 PM

30. I agree.

Exactly. And clearly, there are now strong grounds for Impeachment of Trump.

Trump was involved in a sweeping effort to collude with Russia to undermine the election AND
to obstruct justice.

NO one is above the law.

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Response to Tertullian (Reply #30)

Thu Jul 25, 2019, 11:46 AM

100. "NO one is above the law."

ALL republicans are above the law until such time as someone decides to hold them accountable.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 07:08 PM

31. Speaker Pelosi changed her opinion,

 

Her former statements were; Trump isn't worth impeaching, we need bipartisan support to impeach.

Dems are wasting their time if they don't impeach, court cases will not be decided for years.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 07:08 PM

32. Translation: slow-walking Impeachment

For maximum damage

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 07:10 PM

34. she said there are still "several cases in the courts"

by which i think she meant the drumpf "stall by suing if they subpoena a clock to find out what time it is" cases of McGahn testifying, his taxes, etc.......... I'm not even sure how many cases there are because the Democrats have had to fight for every inch in court. It really is absurd that we have to play this ridiculous game to get any facts.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 07:20 PM

37. That can is picking up a lot of dents

Nobody is going to cooperate. Only an inquiry will expedite the courts.

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Response to Cetacea (Reply #37)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 07:29 PM

43. About 2 Weeks Ago

I read a report saying "sources" are telling them that an impeachment inquiry will begin right after Congress returns from their August recess. I'm sure that timing was in part to make it after Mueller testifies and adds more cover to start the inquiry. While it seems like it has taken forever we have had 2 recent developments that help make the case for impeachment with the public. It takes public support, after all. Those events were the release of the court document in the hush money case and Mueller's testimony.

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Response to DallasNE (Reply #43)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 08:53 PM

71. Thank you. Today was huge.

And I would agree that no impeachment inquiry should have started without the public hearing from Mueller first. Mueller countered Trump and Barr in the first five minutes of the hearing. I hope that your source is right!

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 07:21 PM

39. 'Be careful of what you wish for.' Former prosecutor on MSNBC point out that if

trump wins re-election - the statutes of limitation plus the Oval Office, will free trump from prosecution!!!

The Speaker is aware of the high risk of the premature Hail Mary go for it mentality.

It's not all about trump's problems, Dems have some aspects that lack broad support - plus the Dem proclivity to screw up.

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Response to empedocles (Reply #39)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 07:25 PM

42. and if he is not impeached and wins reelection

he will get off completely scot-free not even the blemish of impeachment on his record. Highly unlikely he will be indicted regardless.

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Response to standingtall (Reply #42)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 07:31 PM

46. We Simply Can't Codify A Two Tier System Of Justice

Such corruption is beyond the pale.

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Response to DallasNE (Reply #46)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:13 PM

77. we already have this, as there is no way to indict a sitting POTUS under the current system

Impeachment, Senate trial, and removal (the only available remedy to a rogue POTUS) simply cannot work when you have that POTUS's party willing to overlook most all illegal acts in a blind, raw pursuit and maintenance of their power.

The systemic flaws of the Constitution are becoming more and more manifest as the decades roll by. The fact 30% of the population will control 70% of the Senate seats in 15 years or so is yet another ticking Constitutional time bomb, as are the systemic voter suppression by the RW, SCOTUS capture via Senatorial gamesmanship (perhaps to a 7-2 or even 8-1 hard RW degree), brazen political gerrymandering, potential census manipulation, and the 50 plus year rise of the imperial presidency.

The system is broken and will continue to yield an increasing amount of poisoned fruit.

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Response to Celerity (Reply #77)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 10:14 PM

86. I Was Speaking Strictly Of The Criminal Justice System

The point on not indicting a sitting President is an example of a 2 tier system of justice but that disappears once he is out of office.

On the Constitutional side of things you are absolutely correct. The Senate is a relic of the past. Get rid of that and the Electoral Collage and that opens us up to federal elections where, for instance, one House member would represent North Dakota, South Dakota and Wyoming combined. They may even need to include the panhandle of Nebraska to get enough people. There needs to be a commission, using a set of guidelines, that draws the House boundaries fairly based solely on the guidelines. Someone would need to verify the guidelines are strictly followed with changes made as necessary.

But I am not holding my breath that a single one of these things will happen in my lifetime.

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Response to standingtall (Reply #42)

Thu Jul 25, 2019, 10:04 PM

120. The point is, the highest priority, is to beat traitortrump by the highest

plurality, lowest risk, longest coattails, - as possible.

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Response to empedocles (Reply #39)

Thu Jul 25, 2019, 03:31 PM

109. Yes...for the crimes already committed, but

I have confidence that there will be other crimes commited which can be charged. He and his cohorts just can't help thenselves.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 07:30 PM

45. pelosi and her consultants are mistaken in their assumptions that republicans crossed

over to create the blue wave. big mistake.

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Response to Kurt V. (Reply #45)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 07:45 PM

51. What? No one thinks that!

They support him by over 90%. Independents switched but more importantly democrats got off their asses and voted.

This is not about winning republicans.

All this talk about the Senate is just noise. There are not the votes in the House to impeach. That what she is saying.

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Response to GulfCoast66 (Reply #51)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 08:01 PM

55. no independents switched. they were already left leaning. also the right saw a surge in voter

Participation just as the left in 2018.

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Response to Kurt V. (Reply #55)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 08:27 PM

60. Correct. And a failed impeachment would sap the strength we have like nothing else.

What would your reaction be if the house failed?

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Response to GulfCoast66 (Reply #60)

Thu Jul 25, 2019, 06:47 AM

89. Truthfully i hadn't considered a failed house vote after a proper inquiry.

it would be devastating of course. but i don't believe it would fail in the house

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Response to Kurt V. (Reply #89)

Thu Jul 25, 2019, 07:00 AM

91. It would. Which is the main reason it is not being done.

DU is not America or even the Democratic Party. There is no appetite outside of sites like this for impeachment.

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Wed Jul 24, 2019, 07:46 PM

52. No impeachment,

no White House, no senate majority.

Draw your own conclusions.

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Response to warmfeet (Reply #52)

Thu Jul 25, 2019, 04:35 PM

114. I have a different scorecard

Impeachment -- IF (and when) we have the evidence and the votes. (public sentiment would also be encouraging)
Democratic White House 2020
possible gains in the Senate 2020 (majority is still outside shot)
retain control Democratic House 2020 (although this requires working our butts off too)

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 08:05 PM

57. Impeachment is not a long process

If I recall during the Clinton impeachment, House discussions started in earnest in September 1998 and the House voted to impeach just before Christmas that year (a truly horrific time, and I remember it well).

While I wasn't really around for Watergate, the House Judiciary Committee started its impeachment inquiry in June 1974 and the House was scheduled to vote on impeachment around August 20, 1974. The House Judiciary Committee passed three articles of impeachment against Nixon in late July 1974, but the full House vote was aborted by Nixon's resignation on August 9, 1974. Even Nixon himself knew he would lose for sure in the House and very, very likely in the Senate if the process had gone all the way through.

Folks, there's PLENTY of time.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 08:09 PM

58. If there is enough evidence?

 

How much does she need FFS?

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 08:18 PM

59. I've been saying this since the beginning of the year - she's not stupid, she's not naive....

she knows what she's doing.

I trust her to pull the cord when the time is right. From what she, Nadler, and Schiff said at the press conference tonight, I think it might be in the fall.

She's just setting the trap, and today was perfect for lining things up.

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Response to George II (Reply #59)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 08:46 PM

69. She's just letting the G.O.P. hang themselves

Being patient is the key. Just give them rope (to hang themselves)
When posters demand impeachment I suspect they are bots (or
republicans).
Nancy is doing a great job. We should applaud. In cards you want
to get your opponent in the lead and then lay down your hand as a
checkmate. Trump and the boys know they have a losing hand and
want Nancy to play out of sequence so they can call a misdeal.
You just sit back and wait ... tick tick tick. The senate begs for
an impeachment and Nancy knows.

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Response to erlewyne (Reply #69)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:16 PM

80. When posters who demand impeachment..I think

They are bots? WTH?

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Response to erlewyne (Reply #69)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:18 PM

81. Last poll 66% of all Dems support impeachment.

Probably has gone down because we haven't done anything..

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #81)

Thu Jul 25, 2019, 07:48 AM

92. Got a link to that poll, and any data that indicates Pelosi's actions are the reason for

public opinion about impeachment?

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Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:04 PM

75. I am with you Laura.

 

Just pour me a drink, will ya?

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Response to Tipperary (Reply #75)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:14 PM

78. Sure! Never felt this way before. Like looking around

where do you go? We have now had three golden opportunities to do what is right-- all squandered away.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #78)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 10:32 PM

87. I hear you.

 

One cannot help but remember the quote about Nero. Sigh.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:55 PM

83. Lol, mueller report months ago gave Pelosi this,

 

So we have to ask why has she not released the Kraken on trump or his officials who have given her and the democrats the finger????????????

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Thu Jul 25, 2019, 06:58 AM

90. There IS enough evidence - and the time is NOW!!

We have the public's attention!!

Force Trump to resign!!!!!

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Response to ElementaryPenguin (Reply #90)

Thu Jul 25, 2019, 07:49 AM

93. You seriously think he's going to resign? He knows he can be indicted when he's no longer POTUS.

Think about it.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Thu Jul 25, 2019, 09:23 AM

95. Different subject

No-one asked Nunes if he is still in the habit of lurking in bushes.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Thu Jul 25, 2019, 09:40 AM

96. She never took impeachment off the table

No matter what some here insist

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Thu Jul 25, 2019, 09:59 AM

98. This is the biggest series of crimes in American history so if the GOP senators want to ....

... stand up with him, fine let 'em.



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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Thu Jul 25, 2019, 12:02 PM

101. What happens if Trump shoots someone on 5th Avenue?

The only thing we know for sure is that he would not be impeached.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Thu Jul 25, 2019, 12:32 PM

102. So what the fuck is the question? Do it FFS!

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Thu Jul 25, 2019, 12:58 PM

103. She doesn't have enough votes in the House. N/T

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Thu Jul 25, 2019, 02:35 PM

105. Agree 100%

Pelosi is just delaying until the elections in hopes a Democrat will win. The she will say there is no reason to go after Trump and his cronies and that it's time to move on. This will set a precedent and future Republicans will continue to blatantly break the law, knowing there are no consequences for their actions.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Thu Jul 25, 2019, 03:14 PM

107. I agree that is her strategy, and I agree with that strategy.

But if the courts find against the House on subpoenas, it probably won't work out.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Thu Jul 25, 2019, 03:27 PM

108. Nancy Pelosi Doesn't Have The Votes To Impeach Trump




Pelosi’s majority includes 31 members who represent districts Trump carried in 2016 and could face electoral danger. Impeachment might accomplish little more than energizing Trump 2020 voters.

Close Pelosi allies insist she couldn’t gain majority support for impeachment even if she tried, not to mention the two-thirds of a Republican-run Senate needed for conviction and removal from office. “There will never be 218 in the House,” a leadership aide told me.....

The votes aren’t there. The 31 Democrats who represent districts that Donald Trump won in 2016 can see that impeachment is not popular with voters in general. If these nearly three dozen Democrats want to win second terms and keep the House in Democratic hands, they feel the need to stay far away from impeachment.

Blaming Pelosi is both easy, and it displays a fundamental ignorance of the dynamics of this Democratic House majority.

Robert Mueller’s testimony was an important step, but unless public opinion changes and a whole bunch of House Democrats change their minds, impeachment won’t happen in the House before the 2020 election.

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #108)

Thu Jul 25, 2019, 04:15 PM

113. Ding Ding Ding!

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Thu Jul 25, 2019, 06:07 PM

115. In handcuffs!!

He will NOT resign - the only way DJT is leaving the WH is in handcuffs!!! The laws need to be changed so a sitting criminal president can be charged. Then he needs to be handcuffed and led out!!!

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Thu Jul 25, 2019, 06:17 PM

118. Shockey's interpretation is that the New England Patriots should have

just ignored the Philadelphia Eagles and planned their strategy to victory as if they were alone on the field. Or that Napoleon would have conquered Europe if he'd just ignored Wellington and/or Russia's Kutusov and just bulled ahead. Wait? Isn't that basically what he did?

That's NOT what Nancy said or means. Please don't inadvertently portray her as stupid by suggesting it was.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Thu Jul 25, 2019, 06:21 PM

119. Maybe a lot of Representatives

want to take this recess to work on seeing how their constituents feel about it. Town hall meetings, office time, etc.

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