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Kid Berwyn

(14,805 posts)
3. They're both on record before assuming office of smearing Mueller probe.
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 10:10 PM
Jul 2019

It’s important to know if they continued to denigrate the Trump Russia Thing once in office.

Kid Berwyn

(14,805 posts)
4. Good point. I'd then ask: Did either or both help your investigation?
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 10:22 PM
Jul 2019

If that’s also a “No,” I’d then ask if Mueller has done all he can to determine if Trump conspired with Russia or obstructed justice?

If they did cooperate and Mueller said, “Yes,” I’d then ask, What did they do to help you determine whether Trump conspired with Russia?

Really, I do prefer open ended questions. Once near the subject, I’d want to know how did Trump obstruct Mueller’s investigation of the Trump campaign’s various ties to the Russian government and why?

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
5. I'm just afraid Mueller is going to say that he concluded that the trump campaign did not cooperate
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 10:43 PM
Jul 2019

with Russians. Which is what report says.

There are some weak qualifiers in the Report, such as Mueller said he cannot say with certainty that if witnesses had been more forthcoming, etc. But, he didn't explicitly say that witnesses thwarted his effort to get at the bottom of trump's crimes. And multiple times he said that the investigation "identified no evidence . . . . . ."

That darn report is like the Bible, you can find something in it to support just about any conclusion, including Oswald did not act alone.

In any event, it's out of our hands, at this point, and speculation is useless. I hope the Committee members ask logical questions like you posted, and Mueller loosens up a bit.

Hope we are celebrating tomorrow. I'll be glad to eat crow dung if it goes better than I think.

Kid Berwyn

(14,805 posts)
6. Here's hoping!
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 10:53 PM
Jul 2019

Barr’s a company man. Hope Mueller remembers all they’ve done to make the world safe for the owner class at Mueller and America’s expense.

Something from the late, great Village Voice that bears repeating:

Bill Barr: The "Cover-Up General"

"At the center of the criticism is the chief artic­ulator of Bush's imperial presidency," we reported in 1992, "the man who wrote the legal rationale for the Gulf War, the Panama invasion, and the officially sanctioned kidnapping of foreign nationals abroad"

by FRANK SNEPP
The Village Voice, APRIL 18, 2019



The Village Voice, October 27, 1992

“Attorney General William Barr is the Best Reason to Vote for Clinton”

Excerpt....

SON OF THE CIA

It was 21 years ago, in 1971, that I first encountered William Barr. Both of us were working for the CIA at the time, he as a novice China analyst, I as a member of the agency’s Vietnam task force. Jovial and un­assuming, he took his cues easily from an overly politicized office chief. It was a to­ken of things to come.

Three years before, we had brushed shoulders unknowingly on Columbia Uni­versity’s roiling campus. Both of us were on the other side of the barricades as antiwar demonstrations there blasted our genera­tion into a decade of rage. Barr, a conserva­tive student spokesman, preached tough­ness to the university administration, of which his father, then dean of the engineer­ing faculty, was a leading light. Years later, this same damn-the-torpedoes zeal would commend Barr to his ultimate father figure, George Bush. When Cuban refugees penned up at an Alabama prison rioted and took hostages in the summer of 1991, depu­ty attorney general Barr ordered the place stormed. Soon afterward, Bush tapped him for the attorney general slot itself.

Barr first met Bush in the CIA. In 1976, having shifted to the agency’s legislative office, he helped write the pap sheets that director Bush used to fend off the Pike and Church committees, the first real embodiments of Congressional oversight of the CIA. Intimates say the experience was for­mative for Barr, turning him into an impla­cable enemy of congressional intrusions on executive prerogative.

“The most radical period I had probably was when I was sort of a moderate Republi­can,” he later acknowledged. Sure enough, Barr stayed safe within conservative clutch­es even after leaving the agency in 1977. Armed with a night-school law diploma, he asked for — and got — Bush’s backing for a clerkship appointment to Malcolm Wilkey of the Court of Appeals in Washington, D.C. Years later, as attorney general, Barr would name Wilkey to investigate the House Banking scandal. Wilkey repayed the favor with a wrenchingly partisan in­quiry. Feeding the press overheated charges of wrongdoing, he scored points off the Democratic Congress just as the adminis­tration itself was being pilloried for its failed economics.

Source...

https://www.villagevoice.com/2019/04/18/attorney-general-william-barr-is-the-best-reason-to-vote-for-clinton/

Wall Street-on-the-Potomac, where Trickle Down economics and offshore banking are very much appreciated.

wiggs

(7,810 posts)
7. We should assume YES unless proven otherwise. When will
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 11:41 PM
Jul 2019

media start assuming that WH statements are lies given that they lie at a rate of 8x per day?

When will media assume that Trump words and deeds are purely self-serving unless otherwise proven, given...his entire life to date?

When will media assume that Trump's governing actions are not carefully considered, based on fact, resulting from thoughtful research, or in our best interests...given that he can't read, is incurious, is epically ignorant, doesn't want to hear bad news, doesn't staff any number of important official positions in government, listens to FOX, and is disinterested in facts?

When will the media assume that the WORST interpretation of their motives is true, given ALL observations to date after riding down the Trump Tower escalator?

The starting observation of any discussion of Trump's motives and actions should be that we are suspicious, scared, worried, distrustful, and angry. The fact that media spends time analyzing, dissecting, parsing his actions and words as though they come from someone normal should be worrisome to us all.

Kid Berwyn

(14,805 posts)
10. Based on what we know, Trump is a depraved, sociopathic moron, unfit for employment.
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 12:09 AM
Jul 2019

Based on what we know and learned from the Mueller Report, Trump is a crook and likely a traitor.

Nevertheless, what the media focus on is the notion (ugh, what a horrible word) that there’re two sides to every Trump question, from lack of character to insane behavior to secret 1-on-1s with our nation’s principal adversary.

The popular news media have devolved into a monopoly press corpse paid largely to obfuscate what matters most to a democracy in order to protect and advance the interests of the wealthy few. Jefferson and Franklin, especially, would be enraged to discover what has become of America’s information environment.

Sogo

(4,986 posts)
8. My question would be
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 11:45 PM
Jul 2019

Did AG Barr instruct you to bring the investigation to a close before you considered it complete?

OR....Were you instructed by anyone to bring the investigation to a close before you considered it complete?

Kid Berwyn

(14,805 posts)
11. Thank you!
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 12:14 AM
Jul 2019

Both of your questions are very well phrased. It is my hope these and other “Who?, What?, Where?, When?, Why?, and How?” lead to the general public hearing and seeing for themselves that little Donnie Cuck is a traitor.

brooklynite

(94,361 posts)
9. Since there's no evidence he did, no value in asking the question...
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 11:51 PM
Jul 2019

A good attorney knows not to ask a question to which s/he doesn't know the answer.

Kid Berwyn

(14,805 posts)
12. Ain't that the truth!
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 12:26 AM
Jul 2019

Good attorneys are trained to interview and cross-examine witnesses in a logical way. One important tenet is not to ask a question in court to which they do not know the answer.

Of course, as Congress doesn’t have the information, it can’t ask questions that advance an inquiry in a court of law.

The Mueller testimony before Congress also is a different type of inquiry. What’s more, Congress hasn’t heard from Mueller directly, nor has Barr and the DoJ provided the unredacted report and its accompanying evidence and documentary materials to Congress as required by law.

That lawlessness also shows why this appearance by Mueller is so important: We the People finally have the opportunity to hear for ourselves the answers to important questions.


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