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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMr. Mueller, did AG Barr or Acting AG Whittaker hinder your investigation?
If so, how?
blueinredohio
(6,797 posts)Kid Berwyn
(14,805 posts)Its important to know if they continued to denigrate the Trump Russia Thing once in office.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)That's the dilemma.
Kid Berwyn
(14,805 posts)If thats also a No, Id then ask if Mueller has done all he can to determine if Trump conspired with Russia or obstructed justice?
If they did cooperate and Mueller said, Yes, Id then ask, What did they do to help you determine whether Trump conspired with Russia?
Really, I do prefer open ended questions. Once near the subject, Id want to know how did Trump obstruct Muellers investigation of the Trump campaigns various ties to the Russian government and why?
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)with Russians. Which is what report says.
There are some weak qualifiers in the Report, such as Mueller said he cannot say with certainty that if witnesses had been more forthcoming, etc. But, he didn't explicitly say that witnesses thwarted his effort to get at the bottom of trump's crimes. And multiple times he said that the investigation "identified no evidence . . . . . ."
That darn report is like the Bible, you can find something in it to support just about any conclusion, including Oswald did not act alone.
In any event, it's out of our hands, at this point, and speculation is useless. I hope the Committee members ask logical questions like you posted, and Mueller loosens up a bit.
Hope we are celebrating tomorrow. I'll be glad to eat crow dung if it goes better than I think.
Kid Berwyn
(14,805 posts)Barrs a company man. Hope Mueller remembers all theyve done to make the world safe for the owner class at Mueller and Americas expense.
Something from the late, great Village Voice that bears repeating:
Bill Barr: The "Cover-Up General"
"At the center of the criticism is the chief articulator of Bush's imperial presidency," we reported in 1992, "the man who wrote the legal rationale for the Gulf War, the Panama invasion, and the officially sanctioned kidnapping of foreign nationals abroad"
by FRANK SNEPP
The Village Voice, APRIL 18, 2019
The Village Voice, October 27, 1992
Attorney General William Barr is the Best Reason to Vote for Clinton
Excerpt....
SON OF THE CIA
It was 21 years ago, in 1971, that I first encountered William Barr. Both of us were working for the CIA at the time, he as a novice China analyst, I as a member of the agencys Vietnam task force. Jovial and unassuming, he took his cues easily from an overly politicized office chief. It was a token of things to come.
Three years before, we had brushed shoulders unknowingly on Columbia Universitys roiling campus. Both of us were on the other side of the barricades as antiwar demonstrations there blasted our generation into a decade of rage. Barr, a conservative student spokesman, preached toughness to the university administration, of which his father, then dean of the engineering faculty, was a leading light. Years later, this same damn-the-torpedoes zeal would commend Barr to his ultimate father figure, George Bush. When Cuban refugees penned up at an Alabama prison rioted and took hostages in the summer of 1991, deputy attorney general Barr ordered the place stormed. Soon afterward, Bush tapped him for the attorney general slot itself.
Barr first met Bush in the CIA. In 1976, having shifted to the agencys legislative office, he helped write the pap sheets that director Bush used to fend off the Pike and Church committees, the first real embodiments of Congressional oversight of the CIA. Intimates say the experience was formative for Barr, turning him into an implacable enemy of congressional intrusions on executive prerogative.
The most radical period I had probably was when I was sort of a moderate Republican, he later acknowledged. Sure enough, Barr stayed safe within conservative clutches even after leaving the agency in 1977. Armed with a night-school law diploma, he asked for and got Bushs backing for a clerkship appointment to Malcolm Wilkey of the Court of Appeals in Washington, D.C. Years later, as attorney general, Barr would name Wilkey to investigate the House Banking scandal. Wilkey repayed the favor with a wrenchingly partisan inquiry. Feeding the press overheated charges of wrongdoing, he scored points off the Democratic Congress just as the administration itself was being pilloried for its failed economics.
Source...
https://www.villagevoice.com/2019/04/18/attorney-general-william-barr-is-the-best-reason-to-vote-for-clinton/
Wall Street-on-the-Potomac, where Trickle Down economics and offshore banking are very much appreciated.
wiggs
(7,810 posts)media start assuming that WH statements are lies given that they lie at a rate of 8x per day?
When will media assume that Trump words and deeds are purely self-serving unless otherwise proven, given...his entire life to date?
When will media assume that Trump's governing actions are not carefully considered, based on fact, resulting from thoughtful research, or in our best interests...given that he can't read, is incurious, is epically ignorant, doesn't want to hear bad news, doesn't staff any number of important official positions in government, listens to FOX, and is disinterested in facts?
When will the media assume that the WORST interpretation of their motives is true, given ALL observations to date after riding down the Trump Tower escalator?
The starting observation of any discussion of Trump's motives and actions should be that we are suspicious, scared, worried, distrustful, and angry. The fact that media spends time analyzing, dissecting, parsing his actions and words as though they come from someone normal should be worrisome to us all.
Kid Berwyn
(14,805 posts)Based on what we know and learned from the Mueller Report, Trump is a crook and likely a traitor.
Nevertheless, what the media focus on is the notion (ugh, what a horrible word) that therere two sides to every Trump question, from lack of character to insane behavior to secret 1-on-1s with our nations principal adversary.
The popular news media have devolved into a monopoly press corpse paid largely to obfuscate what matters most to a democracy in order to protect and advance the interests of the wealthy few. Jefferson and Franklin, especially, would be enraged to discover what has become of Americas information environment.
Sogo
(4,986 posts)Did AG Barr instruct you to bring the investigation to a close before you considered it complete?
OR....Were you instructed by anyone to bring the investigation to a close before you considered it complete?
Kid Berwyn
(14,805 posts)Both of your questions are very well phrased. It is my hope these and other Who?, What?, Where?, When?, Why?, and How? lead to the general public hearing and seeing for themselves that little Donnie Cuck is a traitor.
brooklynite
(94,361 posts)A good attorney knows not to ask a question to which s/he doesn't know the answer.
Kid Berwyn
(14,805 posts)Good attorneys are trained to interview and cross-examine witnesses in a logical way. One important tenet is not to ask a question in court to which they do not know the answer.
Of course, as Congress doesnt have the information, it cant ask questions that advance an inquiry in a court of law.
The Mueller testimony before Congress also is a different type of inquiry. Whats more, Congress hasnt heard from Mueller directly, nor has Barr and the DoJ provided the unredacted report and its accompanying evidence and documentary materials to Congress as required by law.
That lawlessness also shows why this appearance by Mueller is so important: We the People finally have the opportunity to hear for ourselves the answers to important questions.