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(8,144 posts)Kid Berwyn
(14,876 posts)Last edited Tue Jun 18, 2019, 07:06 PM - Edit history (1)
Something important that has been lost to my memory:
De Gaulle's Warning to Kennedy: An Endless Entanglement in Vietnam
Charles De Gaulle
New York Times
March 15, 1972
Snip...
When the President reverted to the question of the Congo where, at the instigation of the United States, the U.N. Secretary‐General, Dag Hamrnarskjold, was setting up a government to replace ‐that of Patrice Lumumba, I declined to have anything to do with the operation. But it was above all on the subject of Indochina that I pointed out to Kennedy how far apait our policies were. He made no secret of the fact that the United States was planning to intervene. In Siam, thanks to the Virtually exclusive influence they exercised over the Government of Marshal Sarit, they were setting up air bases. In Laos, whose neutrality was about to be reaffirmed at a conference in Geneva, they were nonetheless introducing their military advisers in collusion with some of the local chiefs, in spite of the reservations of Prince Souvanna Phouma and the neutralist party. In South Vietnam, after having encouraged the seizure of dictatorial power by Ngo Dinh Diem and hastened the departure of the French advisers, they, were beginning to install the first element of an expeditionary corps under cover of economic aid. John Kennedy gave me to understand that the American aim was to establish a bulwark against the Soviets in the Indochinese peninsula. But instead of giving him the approval he wanted, I told the President that he was taking the wrong road.
You will find, I said to him, that intervention in this area will be an endless entanglement. Once a nation has been aroused, no foreign power, however strong, can impose its will upon it. You will discover this for yourselves. For even if you find local.leaders who in their own interests are prepared to obey you, the people will not agree to it, and indeed do not want you. The ideology which you invoke will make no difference. Indeed, in the eyes of the masses it will become identified with your will to power. That is why the more you become involved out there against Communism, the more the Communists will appear as the champions of national independence, and the more support they will receive, if only from despair.
We French have had experience of it. Yott Americans wanted to take our place in Indochina. Now you want to take over where we left off and revive a war which we brought to an end. I predict that you will sink step by step into a bottomless military and political quagmire, hOwever much you spend in men and money. What you, we and others ought to do for unhappy Asia is not to take over the running of these States ourselves, but to provide them with the means to escape from the misery and humiliation which, there as elsewhere, are the causes of totalitarian regimes. I tell you this in the name of the West.
Kennedy listened to me. But events were to prove that I had failed to convince (TEXT ENDS).
Source:
https://www.nytimes.com/1972/03/15/archives/de-gaulles-warning-to-kennedy-an-endless-entanglement-in-vietnam.html
Geez, what might have been. And what is.
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)and deaths in captivity U.S. soldiers. Thank you for this post.
Karadeniz
(22,506 posts)Kid Berwyn
(14,876 posts)Trump uses his public service for wealth.
sop
(10,156 posts)True Blue American
(17,984 posts)Wondered what Trumps hair do would look like in the snow storm.. He made fun of her when she announced.
Kid Berwyn
(14,876 posts)sop
(10,156 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)He just makes my skin crawl. I haaaaaaaaaaaaaate him!!!
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emmaverybo
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emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)lobotomized. So was Tennessee Williams sister, the Laura he conjured up in The Glass Menagerie.
And so lots of unsung.
As I understand it, the Kennedys pretty much put her away and did not do much outreach. Feel free to correct me.
She was not a good look for them.
And you bring home that this surgery was probably somewhat select in its victims.
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Rhiannon12866
(205,202 posts)The father didn't know any better I guess, but it must have devastated Rose. I can't imagine what she went through with so many tragedies happening to her children.
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)then an experimental and costly treatment as you pointed out. Pre-frontal lobotomy I think they called it.
sop
(10,156 posts)Jack and Bobby served in the Navy, and Teddy later enlisted in the Army. The Trump boys love to play with guns and shoot endangered animals.
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emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)Yes, hideous fiends Donald Jr. and Eric, love big game. Love cruelty just like dad; trophies just like dad.
Trump admin has loosened restrictions on importing elephant trophies, according to The Guardian
article, Trump sons hunting in focus as US lifts import ban on African elephant trophies. Obama admin had imposed the ban on importing parts of elephants from Zimbabwe and Zambia.
Awful photo of sick sons holding up a leopard, smiling sociopathic smiles. Mia Farrow wrote on Twitter What went so wrong with Trump sons that they could kill this beautiful creature.
Whatever sins Joe, the Kennedy dad may have committed, I read in Manchesters JFK bio that hed
ask the boys around the dinner table what had they done to serve those who needed serving. Hed ask the way old fashioned dads used to grill their kids n homework, what they had learned in school.
That family truly believed in noblesse oblige.
Elite is as elite does.
They did a world of good.
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emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)misanthrope
(7,411 posts)One letter/numeral for every deferment Trump got.