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Trump is no JFK (Original Post) Kid Berwyn Jun 2019 OP
Beautiful photograph. Thanks for the memory. Tears. emmaverybo Jun 2019 #1
De Gaulle's Warning to Kennedy: An 'Endless Entanglement' in Vietnam Kid Berwyn Jun 2019 #4
365,000 Vietnamese casualties during U.S. involvement (Wikipedia), 58,318 including missing emmaverybo Jun 2019 #11
Picture worth a thousand comparisons! Karadeniz Jun 2019 #2
JFK used his wealth for public service. Kid Berwyn Jun 2019 #8
Trump's comb over weave would be plastered to his skull like a soaked dog sop Jun 2019 #3
Amy Klobucher True Blue American Jun 2019 #7
Like when he goes to church after golf. Kid Berwyn Jun 2019 #10
Hate to say it, but Trump's hair looks more human like that, except for the Joe Dirt mullet sop Jun 2019 #14
Oh, god, he's disgusting. smirkymonkey Jun 2019 #19
And he not only served, he was a war hero, as was his brother, Joe Rhiannon12866 Jun 2019 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jun 2019 #9
I always think of Rose Kennedy, how she managed. She also was a profile in courage. emmaverybo Jun 2019 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jun 2019 #15
I meant the mother. Yes, the sister due to fears that she could be sexually compromised was emmaverybo Jun 2019 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jun 2019 #17
Yes, the eldest sister was Rosemary, sad story. Rhiannon12866 Jun 2019 #20
Similar names and you were right on the facts. I had not thought about the fact that this was emmaverybo Jun 2019 #21
All four Kennedy boys served in the military; Joe was killed when his plane went down, sop Jun 2019 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jun 2019 #18
I had blanked that part out. I do that sometimes with animal cruelty or I can't get through the day. emmaverybo Jun 2019 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jun 2019 #6
Sing it Chin music. This we should not forget. Nt emmaverybo Jun 2019 #23
P-T-1-0-9 misanthrope Jun 2019 #24

Kid Berwyn

(14,876 posts)
4. De Gaulle's Warning to Kennedy: An 'Endless Entanglement' in Vietnam
Tue Jun 18, 2019, 06:07 PM
Jun 2019

Last edited Tue Jun 18, 2019, 07:06 PM - Edit history (1)

Something important that has been lost to my memory:



De Gaulle's Warning to Kennedy: An ‘Endless Entanglement’ in Vietnam

Charles De Gaulle
New York Times
March 15, 1972

Snip...

When the President reverted to the question of the Congo where, at the instigation of the United States, the U.N. Secretary‐General, Dag Hamrnarskjold, was setting up a government to replace ‐that of Patrice Lumumba, I declined to have anything to do with the operation. But it was above all on the subject of Indochina that I pointed out to Kennedy how far apait our policies were. He made no secret of the fact that the United States was planning to intervene. In Siam, thanks to the Virtually exclusive influence they exercised over the Government of Marshal Sarit, they were setting up air bases. In Laos, whose neutrality was about to be reaffirmed at a conference in Geneva, they were nonetheless introducing their “military advisers” in collusion with some of the local chiefs, in spite of the reservations of Prince Souvanna Phouma and the neutralist party. In South Vietnam, after having encouraged the seizure of dictatorial power by Ngo Dinh Diem and hastened the departure of the French advisers, they, were beginning to install the first element of an expeditionary corps under cover of economic aid. John Kennedy gave me to understand that the American aim was to establish a bulwark against the Soviets in the Indochinese peninsula. But instead of giving him the approval he wanted, I told the President that he was taking the wrong road.

“You will find,” I said to him, “that intervention in this area will be an endless entanglement. Once a nation has been aroused, no foreign power, however strong, can impose its will upon it. You will discover this for yourselves. For even if you find local.leaders who in their own interests are prepared to obey you, the people will not agree to it, and indeed do not want you. The ideology which you invoke will make no difference. Indeed, in the eyes of the masses it will become identified with your will to power. That is why the more you become involved out there against Communism, the more the Communists will appear as the champions of national independence, and the more support they will receive, if only from despair.

“We French have had experience of it. Yott Americans wanted to take our place in Indochina. Now you want to take over where we left off and revive a war which we brought to an end. I predict that you will sink step by step into a bottomless military and political quagmire, hOwever much you spend in men and money. What you, we and others ought to do for unhappy Asia is not to take over the running of these States ourselves, but to provide them with the means to escape from the misery and humiliation which, there as elsewhere, are the causes of totalitarian regimes. I tell you this in the name of the West.”

Kennedy listened to me. But events were to prove that I had failed to convince (TEXT ENDS).

Source:
https://www.nytimes.com/1972/03/15/archives/de-gaulles-warning-to-kennedy-an-endless-entanglement-in-vietnam.html



Geez, what might have been. And what is.

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
11. 365,000 Vietnamese casualties during U.S. involvement (Wikipedia), 58,318 including missing
Tue Jun 18, 2019, 06:23 PM
Jun 2019

and deaths in captivity U.S. soldiers. Thank you for this post.

True Blue American

(17,984 posts)
7. Amy Klobucher
Tue Jun 18, 2019, 06:10 PM
Jun 2019

Wondered what Trump’s hair do would look like in the snow storm.. He made fun of her when she announced.

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emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
16. I meant the mother. Yes, the sister due to fears that she could be sexually compromised was
Tue Jun 18, 2019, 10:28 PM
Jun 2019

lobotomized. So was Tennessee William’s sister, the Laura he conjured up in The Glass Menagerie.
And so lots of unsung.
As I understand it, the Kennedys pretty much put her away and did not do much outreach. Feel free to correct me.
She was not a good look for them.
And you bring home that this surgery was probably somewhat select in its victims.

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Rhiannon12866

(205,202 posts)
20. Yes, the eldest sister was Rosemary, sad story.
Tue Jun 18, 2019, 11:08 PM
Jun 2019

The father didn't know any better I guess, but it must have devastated Rose. I can't imagine what she went through with so many tragedies happening to her children.

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
21. Similar names and you were right on the facts. I had not thought about the fact that this was
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 01:49 AM
Jun 2019

then an experimental and costly treatment as you pointed out. Pre-frontal lobotomy I think they called it.

sop

(10,156 posts)
12. All four Kennedy boys served in the military; Joe was killed when his plane went down,
Tue Jun 18, 2019, 06:24 PM
Jun 2019

Jack and Bobby served in the Navy, and Teddy later enlisted in the Army. The Trump boys love to play with guns and shoot endangered animals.

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emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
22. I had blanked that part out. I do that sometimes with animal cruelty or I can't get through the day.
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 02:04 AM
Jun 2019

Yes, hideous fiends Donald Jr. and Eric, love big game. Love cruelty just like dad; trophies just like dad.
Trump admin has “loosened restrictions” on importing elephant trophies, according to The Guardian
article, “Trump sons’ hunting in focus as US lifts import ban on African elephant trophies.” Obama admin had imposed the ban on importing parts of elephants from Zimbabwe and Zambia.
Awful photo of sick sons holding up a leopard, smiling sociopathic smiles. Mia Farrow wrote on Twitter “What went so wrong with Trump sons that they could kill this beautiful creature.”
Whatever sins Joe, the Kennedy dad may have committed, I read in Manchester’s JFK bio that he’d
ask the boys around the dinner table what had they done to serve those who needed serving. He’d ask the way old fashioned dads used to grill their kids n homework, what they had learned in school.
That family truly believed in noblesse oblige.
Elite is as elite does.
They did a world of good.

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