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H2O Man

(73,323 posts)
Thu May 30, 2019, 12:56 PM May 2019

Impeach Trump

“The fact that millions of people share the same vices does not make these vices virtues, the fact that they share so many errors does not make the errors to be truths, and the fact that millions of people share the same form of mental pathology does not make these people sane. “
Erich Fromm; The Sane Society


Let's take a look at the public's response to events resulting from the release of the Mueller Report. These include things ranging from the initial release, Barr's 3.5 page summary, Barr's press briefing, the release of the redacted report, news reports indicating that Mr. Mueller and others on his team were not satisfied with Barr's comments, to today's press briefing by Mr. Mueller.

We can safely dismiss the 30% of the voting public that always supports Trump. Remember, these people are willing to wear MAGA hats in public. And, as Fromm noted sixty-four years ago in the book quoted above, both the groups of people who desire an all-powerful leader, and those who seek those groups' admiration, share a serious pathology. We need not explore it further at this time.

There are other groups of citizens that are not following the news on the Mueller Report. They have various reasons for their lack of interest. We shouldn't ignore them, but we might put them on hold for right now. We will get to them later.

Instead, let's focus on those people who are concerned with the Russian “meddling” in the 2016 election. Those people who see the direct connection between the results of that election, and the rapidly increasing difficulties the US has had domestically and internationally since. For the sake of this discussion, on this forum, we'll focus on Democrats.

In fact, let's focus on those Democrats who are part of what is known as the “grass roots.” The majority of the grass roots recognizes that Trump poses a serious threat to our constitutional democracy. There are numerous other threats, but we'll stick with Trump and his administration of government. His presidency was brought about with the assistance of Russian interference, as the first part of the Mueller Report documents. Trump's foreign policy has shown a submissive posture to Putin since the days of the transition.

The Mueller Report documents in the first part that the Trump campaign was aware of Russia's role, and expected to benefit from their interference. More, there were numerous, on-going contacts between the Trump campaign and people associated with the Russian government. While there was not enough evidence to prove a coordinated criminal conspiracy, there is definite evidence of collusion.

The second part of the redacted report provides strong evidence that Trump knowingly and repeatedly attempted to obstruct the investigation. In fact, 1,000 former federal prosecutors have stated that it is enough evidence to have sustained a criminal conviction of anyone other than Trump. Republicans are attempting to distract from this by saying Trump knew he hadn't colluded with Russia, and thus could not obstruct. But the investigation documented in Part One of the report is about his entire campaign, not Trump as an individual.

It's a shame that so few people have actually read the entire redacted Mueller Report. This obviously applies to republicans in the House and Senate. It also applies to the citizens of this country. By not reading the most important document of this era, those who have not read it have failed in their responsibilities as citizens. And it shows when they talk about something they haven't even read.

Similarly, citizens have a responsibility to know how the Department of Justice works. Again, when people comment about the actions of individuals within the DOJ – be it in a positive or negative way – it is evident when they do not know what they are talking about. Indeed, at this late date, it can be accurately said that citizens have a responsibility to know how the DOJ operates, in order to grasp what the Mueller Report shows, and what Mr. Mueller said yesterday.

Now, there is ample evidence that Mr. Mueller was making clear that he was following DOJ policy yesterday. Let's look at some examples:

“We did not, however, make a determination as to whether the President did commit a crime. The introduction to volume two of our report explains that decision. It explains that under a long-standing Department policy, a President cannot be charged with a federal crime while he is in office.”

“The Special Counsel’s Office is part of the Department of Justice and, by regulation, it was bound by that Department policy. Charging the President with a crime was therefore not an option we could consider.”

“ So that was the Justice Department policy and those were the principles under which we operated. “

Hopefully, everyone here can agree that Mr. Mueller is following DOJ policy. One may agree or disagree with those policies. But unless and until the policies are changed, they are what they are. Thus, it seems to me the real problem is with Barr's corrupt abuse of DOJ policy, something it is unrealistic to think Mr. Mueller is obligated to address by breaking the actual policies.

For example, the House is rightfully seeking access to the underlying investigation materials. Barr is blocking their access, not Mr. Mueller, as is made clear by this statement:

“In addition, access to our underlying work product is being decided in a process that does not involve our office. “

Mr. Mueller cannot testify to Congress about the underlying evidence until this is resolved. It appears unlikely that Barr will turn over the evidence, until directed to by the federal courts. The only potential exception for Mr. Mueller to testify about this information without that court order might be in the context of impeachment hearings. Yet Barr would attempt to interfere.

Our country is in serious trouble. How we make use of every day counts. We do not have time to waste. We do not have the luxury of being uninformed or ill-informed ….for that results in wasted time with emotional reactions rather than rational responses. And an uneducated public is far, far easier to control and capitalize on than an educated population for tyrants like Trump.

It's time to start impeachment.

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Impeach Trump (Original Post) H2O Man May 2019 OP
Now all you have to do is talk Mitch McConnell into it. marble falls May 2019 #1
Nope. H2O Man May 2019 #3
Yep. He dicides what gets on the Senate agenda. He's made it explicetly clear: no impeachment. marble falls May 2019 #4
Yes, unfortunately it's now dead in Senate. But he can still Laura PourMeADrink May 2019 #6
Which in the end with this particular wasted lump of man meat means zip. How could his tawdry ... marble falls May 2019 #9
Impeachment will remain "dead in the Senate" until 2020: But read "impeachment" news of 5/30/19 real Cannabis calm May 2019 #45
Thanks for link!! One thing I didn't see is something I read Laura PourMeADrink May 2019 #54
As Mark Twain noted, H2O Man May 2019 #10
I so wish Mark Twain was a DUer! lunatica May 2019 #55
I added Volume 1 H2O Man May 2019 #57
Let Mcconnell try and reject the Impechment Issue after the House Vote INdemo May 2019 #31
Indeed, the very H2O Man May 2019 #46
Of course McConnell would not even take up the issue..It would be good INdemo May 2019 #68
Meanwhile, McConnell is loading the courts with as many pro-corporate judges as possible ... Auggie May 2019 #39
And Barr. notdarkyet May 2019 #5
I think they'd throw Barr out to deflect some anger from Donny. marble falls May 2019 #8
Nope - an impeachment inquiry would shift public opinion Fiendish Thingy May 2019 #23
all in* townie May 2019 #28
Welcome! Ligyron May 2019 #52
And if the House is impotent given the Senate's stranglehold, why not just do away with the House? erronis May 2019 #30
Yes indeed, why should we fight any battles because, you know, we *might* lose Fiendish Thingy May 2019 #44
Very well said. H2O Man May 2019 #48
Don't need Senate to follow constitution and hurt Republicans politically uponit7771 May 2019 #29
Wouldn't sitting on an impeachment vote be a powder keg for McConnell? forgotmylogin May 2019 #47
Agreed. JoeOtterbein May 2019 #2
Thank you! H2O Man May 2019 #12
K & R 50 Shades Of Blue May 2019 #7
Thanks! H2O Man May 2019 #13
kick and rec! kentuck May 2019 #11
Thanks, kentuck! H2O Man May 2019 #15
I have one of his books around here someplace... kentuck May 2019 #18
Absolutely G_j May 2019 #14
Thanks, G_j! H2O Man May 2019 #17
It's very disturbing coeur_de_lion May 2019 #16
A couple of thoughts .... H2O Man May 2019 #19
Call Congress (202)224-3121 BigmanPigman May 2019 #64
K & R SunSeeker May 2019 #20
Thank you! H2O Man May 2019 #24
Barr, McConnell and their crews are doing all they can to bury the truth. Kid Berwyn May 2019 #21
I agree 100% H2O Man May 2019 #25
I agree 100%... Impeachment Inquiry proceedings should begin IMMEDIATELY! Raster May 2019 #32
A very significant H2O Man May 2019 #34
The threat of impeachment is the only tool we have to hold this lawless president to task... Raster May 2019 #35
Well said. H2O Man May 2019 #38
I agree. The House is blue BECAUSE voters who Silver Gaia May 2019 #51
Very good! H2O Man May 2019 #66
K & R! Nevermypresident May 2019 #22
Thanks! H2O Man May 2019 #26
Impeach the Con malaise May 2019 #27
It's what the H2O Man May 2019 #36
I think the shouts for impeachment are growing malaise May 2019 #65
Agreed. Also, let's please be consistent in calling Russia's attack on our democracy an attack, coti May 2019 #33
I stand corrected, H2O Man May 2019 #40
DOJ Policies Timewas May 2019 #37
Thank you! H2O Man May 2019 #42
Excellent Post. warmfeet May 2019 #41
Thank you! H2O Man May 2019 #43
On a strictly political levels in presidential election campaigns lunatica May 2019 #49
Outstanding! H2O Man May 2019 #50
Thanks. lunatica May 2019 #56
I keep thinking H2O Man May 2019 #58
+1 uponit7771 May 2019 #53
It must be done. dalton99a May 2019 #59
I agree. H2O Man May 2019 #60
K&R... spanone May 2019 #61
Thank you! H2O Man May 2019 #62
I doubt we will see Pelosi assisting the Repugnants in getting rid of Trump though I am cstanleytech May 2019 #63
Well said old friend. berni_mccoy May 2019 #67
Yes! And the following should be put out! burrowowl May 2019 #69
I feel the same way and have since he won. I knew then that no good would be coming shraby May 2019 #70
Congress must do its Constitutional Duty and hold this dangerous man accountable. democrank May 2019 #71
Kick G_j May 2019 #72
Whatever we call the televised hearings, it can't happen soon enough. People need to see & hear... Hekate May 2019 #73
 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
6. Yes, unfortunately it's now dead in Senate. But he can still
Thu May 30, 2019, 01:24 PM
May 2019

be impeached in House. Win or lose, it would be on the Narcissist's record forever more. Only three before. And that's what survives in history books (with an asterisk that he wasn't convicted)

marble falls

(56,358 posts)
9. Which in the end with this particular wasted lump of man meat means zip. How could his tawdry ...
Thu May 30, 2019, 01:32 PM
May 2019

record stink any more? This guy not only can't spell asterisk, he doesn't know what one is.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
54. Thanks for link!! One thing I didn't see is something I read
Thu May 30, 2019, 05:02 PM
May 2019

On a legal website. The current rules of the Senate include trying for Impeachment. McConnell can change those rules. Don't remember about voting to do that? Anyway, Then senators wouldn't have to cast a no vote-nothing to see there. This could hurt them with some voters and would be good campaign material..."so it's ok that he told all those people to break the law?"

If they do this, and there is a rules change vote, Dems should immediately declare this as a no to impeachment...imho. same campaign benefits as above.

A question too. What court is now looking at his tax & insurance fraud? Anyone. Cohen knows what he did for sure.

H2O Man

(73,323 posts)
10. As Mark Twain noted,
Thu May 30, 2019, 01:44 PM
May 2019

"The problem today is not one of ignorance -- it's of people knowing so much that just ain't so."

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
55. I so wish Mark Twain was a DUer!
Thu May 30, 2019, 05:07 PM
May 2019

I’d love to read AND respond to OPs from him! He has a way to turn descriptions on their heads. Something you can easily miss so when you do catch the twist you feel like a genius!

H2O Man

(73,323 posts)
57. I added Volume 1
Thu May 30, 2019, 06:08 PM
May 2019

of the "Autobiography of Mark Twain" to my section of Twain books in my library years ago. I haven't bought the two volumes that have followed, but hope to soon. I have two relatives who also love Twain, and enjoy discussing him with them.

Many years ago, when he was incarcerated at Rahway, Rubin mentioned his love of Twain to me. It was when his first book was being published, and the lady in charge noted Rubin's writing reminded her of Twain. My grandfather had quite a collection that ended up with me. Much of it made its way to Rubin!

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
31. Let Mcconnell try and reject the Impechment Issue after the House Vote
Thu May 30, 2019, 02:57 PM
May 2019

..Send the Articles of Impeachment to the Senate and my guess is there would be Thousands in front of the Senate Building Protesting, demanding the Senate take action...

And this would certainly work in the Democrats favour to retake the Senate in 2020

Good Guess? I think so

H2O Man

(73,323 posts)
46. Indeed, the very
Thu May 30, 2019, 03:42 PM
May 2019

idea that McConnell has a choice of if the Senate would try the case if the House impeached Trump is a perfect example of the foolishness we should all be capable of believing, much less repeating. There is zero basis for such nonsense. It's not even open for a debate.

Would he attempt to sway the jury (republicans)? Yeah, of course. But that would be a bit harder if the evidence was laid out.

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
68. Of course McConnell would not even take up the issue..It would be good
Thu May 30, 2019, 11:39 PM
May 2019

for the Democrats to put the ball in their court..At least it would show the Democratic voters that Democrats do have a backbone...They did not have the backbone in 2010 and that is why they got their ass kicked.

Auggie

(31,061 posts)
39. Meanwhile, McConnell is loading the courts with as many pro-corporate judges as possible ...
Thu May 30, 2019, 03:21 PM
May 2019

THAT's the goal -- every month/week/day Trump is in office.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,368 posts)
23. Nope - an impeachment inquiry would shift public opinion
Thu May 30, 2019, 02:23 PM
May 2019

Which would put pressure on the 20 GOP senators up for re-election, and THEY would be the ones responsible for talking Mitch into holding a trial.

Doesn’t matter if he actually holds a trial- the fact that articles of impeachment are in his lap will be enough to shift the narrative. Imagine an unresolved impeachment indictment leading up to the election, which could be taken up by the next Democratic majority...

An Impeachment inquiry is the principled action to take that unequivocally states “Trump’s actions are unacceptable, and may be grounds for removal from office”.

erronis

(14,955 posts)
30. And if the House is impotent given the Senate's stranglehold, why not just do away with the House?
Thu May 30, 2019, 02:47 PM
May 2019

This is only somewhat snarky.

And if money is dictating everybody's allegiance, why have elections?

forgotmylogin

(7,496 posts)
47. Wouldn't sitting on an impeachment vote be a powder keg for McConnell?
Thu May 30, 2019, 03:42 PM
May 2019

If he won't bring it up it just goes on and on and on and becomes a constant "What about the Impeachment, Mitch?" and "Why can one man from one state stall federal legislation?" commercial. Unless I'm missing something.

Sitting on Merrick Garland's nomination should have been hammered on every single nightly newscast for the entire year.

H2O Man

(73,323 posts)
15. Thanks, kentuck!
Thu May 30, 2019, 01:48 PM
May 2019

I think you'd love the entire book. It's one of what I believe are his two most important works.

H2O Man

(73,323 posts)
17. Thanks, G_j!
Thu May 30, 2019, 01:50 PM
May 2019

It would seem hard to justify not moving forward on this after what Mr. Mueller said yesterday.

coeur_de_lion

(3,666 posts)
16. It's very disturbing
Thu May 30, 2019, 01:50 PM
May 2019

I had hoped your OP would have some more promising news.

I am quite concerned but unsure what I can do to help.

Suggestions?

H2O Man

(73,323 posts)
19. A couple of thoughts ....
Thu May 30, 2019, 02:00 PM
May 2019

First, I find it encouraging that I'm saying to start impeaching Trump now. Heck, it isn't even June here yet, only late May. I'm ahead of schedule!

Second, if everyone here who wants the House to impeach Trump was following Amendment 1, and contacting elected representatives in DC, that would be important. And it would be exercising constitutional rights in a manner that helps assist in restoring democracy.

It is also very important to write (rational, not emotional) letters-to-the-editor of local/area/regional newspapers, etc. The offices of elected representatives study these to help measure public opinion.

These are simple, yet too often overlooked. Until people actually do these things, the ability of the grass roots to take the next steps will remain in a rut. Process, as you know, is something I like to focus on.

BigmanPigman

(51,432 posts)
64. Call Congress (202)224-3121
Thu May 30, 2019, 06:32 PM
May 2019

I just told my congressmember that I want her to push for an Impeachment Inquiry ASAP!

Kid Berwyn

(14,651 posts)
21. Barr, McConnell and their crews are doing all they can to bury the truth.
Thu May 30, 2019, 02:11 PM
May 2019

If I may add to what you wrote, H2O Man that impeachment proceedings will expose the Bankrupt Unstable Moron and his enablers in Congress for what they are: TRAITORS!

Whether impeachment leads to conviction and removal from office is secondary. We the People will remember what Diaper Donnie has done at the polls in 2020.

H2O Man

(73,323 posts)
25. I agree 100%
Thu May 30, 2019, 02:26 PM
May 2019

I recognize and respect that some people are concerned that impeachment could be a negative in terms of the 2020 elections. I respectfully -- and strongly -- disagree. In fact, a failure to impeach would pose the greatest danger to Democrats in the 2020 elections. The two cannot be safely separated.

Raster

(20,996 posts)
32. I agree 100%... Impeachment Inquiry proceedings should begin IMMEDIATELY!
Thu May 30, 2019, 03:04 PM
May 2019
No truer words: "...a failure to impeach would pose the greatest danger to Democrats in the 2020 elections."

H2O Man

(73,323 posts)
34. A very significant
Thu May 30, 2019, 03:14 PM
May 2019

number of voters -- and potential voters -- want him impeached. They cannot be safely taken for granted again.

Raster

(20,996 posts)
35. The threat of impeachment is the only tool we have to hold this lawless president to task...
Thu May 30, 2019, 03:15 PM
May 2019

...Pelosi, et al, worries about the politics if we begin the process. I worry about our Country if we don't.

H2O Man

(73,323 posts)
38. Well said.
Thu May 30, 2019, 03:20 PM
May 2019

Very well said, indeed.

A significant reason I will worry is that without impeachment, it will be difficult to win the White House, the Senate, and to maintain control of the House. If Trump wins, and holds majorities in the House and Senate, it's over.

"Politics" demands inspired leadership to inspire the public.

Silver Gaia

(4,514 posts)
51. I agree. The House is blue BECAUSE voters who
Thu May 30, 2019, 04:24 PM
May 2019

wanted to see a change, wanted to see Trump held accountable, and in many if not most cases, wanted to see him impeached, came out to vote, and even crossed party lines to vote in some instances.

As I see it, if we disappoint those voters, we risk losing the House, and won't stand a chance at gaining the Senate. It's time. Time to do what's right. Time to give those voters what they voted for (and retain their support).

I don't see any reason why we can't drag the impeachment hearings out until the fall of 2020. Create a spectacle of truth that the news media will not be able to resist, THEN dump it in McConnell's lap. Let HIM be seen for what he is right before the election.

There's no reason why this can't be a winning strategy for Democrats, but we have to hold the line and be strong TOGETHER.

I think we need to seize the narrative with this NOW, and hold that line. If we allow them to seize the narrative first, or if we falter in our resolve, the shit show Barr and Trump have planned of "investigations" and even "trials" of Democrats (Obama, Biden, Hillary, Comey, et al) will dominate the news. We can't allow that to happen. We have to grab the reins.

I've been on the side of caution regarding impeachment, although I've seen it as something that MUST happen eventually. I just think that the time has come.

Step One is to start calling and writing your House Representatives and Senators to say you want impeachment. There's no time to waste. We need to begin NOW.

H2O Man

(73,323 posts)
36. It's what the
Thu May 30, 2019, 03:16 PM
May 2019

Constitution outlines for dealing with a corrupt president. If they don't impeach him, they are not only ignoring the Constitution, but are making any future impeachments have to meet an unrealistic standard.

coti

(4,612 posts)
33. Agreed. Also, let's please be consistent in calling Russia's attack on our democracy an attack,
Thu May 30, 2019, 03:09 PM
May 2019

instead of "meddling" or "interfering." I'm not sure how that incredibly soft language got into our political lexicon.

H2O Man

(73,323 posts)
40. I stand corrected,
Thu May 30, 2019, 03:22 PM
May 2019

and thank you for correcting me. They attacked, and there is no way Trump could have "won" without their support. And you are right, of course, that this needs to be stated clearly. Thank you!

Timewas

(2,174 posts)
37. DOJ Policies
Thu May 30, 2019, 03:17 PM
May 2019

Well stated as usual

I would think and from what I have been able to discern that the AG has the authority to change the policies whenever he decides...Anyone have more data on that

H2O Man

(73,323 posts)
42. Thank you!
Thu May 30, 2019, 03:25 PM
May 2019

The AG can alter or change policies. They can focus attention on specific areas that were otherwise overlooked (RFK and organized crime being the single best example). Perhaps most significantly, they can interpret policies in a corrupt manner that totally changes the intent. Thus, a corrupt AG poses a great danger to our society.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
49. On a strictly political levels in presidential election campaigns
Thu May 30, 2019, 04:02 PM
May 2019

impeachment with both the con and pro sides would be front and center in getting public attention. It’s a well known fact that most of the population is not interested in the daily political machinations going on in Washington DC. Most of the people I know don’t follow politics closely EXCEPT in Presidential elections.

Not only is impeachment the right thing to do, but the timing for it is as perfect as it can be. I do think a little later, when a the debates start thinning out the Democratic candidates, impeachment would be better, and I think Pelosi has this in mind. She is trying to guide the timing so the hearings will have maximum political effect. I certainly would if I were in Congress. I also happen to think McConnell is doing his version of timing. He evidently believes that impeachment will hurt the Democrats so he is goading them to do it. Perhaps to have it done prematurely so it can be either forgotten or used against the Democrats politically.

I happen to think that Pelosi, regarding impeachment, is in the stronger position. If the Democratic hearings can actually get started the information coming out of them will begin to seriously get people’s attention. And it will be that information that will fuel the perception that impeachment is necessary. Pelosi will get the support she needs to then press for impeachment. This is why Trump is ordering his staff not to obey Congress’s subpoenas. Because he knows he’s toast when millions of Americans are paying attention to the hearings. He can’t bluff his way through hearings about him and his crimes because his crimes are fascinating. They will be like a reality show on steroids. He will continue his insane obstruction but he won’t be able to divert the public’s attention away from this real reality show. On the contrary his efforts to obstruct will only serve to bring attention to it. He will be beaten on his favorite battleground.

Also, the subject of impeachment will be a legitimate and even necessary top topic of all the town meetings and campaign stump speeches. As a matter of fact impeachment will serve as campaign fodder to be used against the Republicans who are seeking re-election whether it is to Congress or on the local state level. That’s why the moment for maximum effect is now. It can be used against the Republicans for years. They will be known as the people who backed the criminal impeached President.

Aside from all that strictly political goldmine stuff, it also happens to be the right thing to do. Sometimes politics as usual gives way to political imperative for the betterment of the entire country. History will show the impeachment of Trump as a pivotal moment in Democratic principles that will rescue this country from the lurch into authoritarianism that is presently happening.



H2O Man

(73,323 posts)
50. Outstanding!
Thu May 30, 2019, 04:19 PM
May 2019

This would make a great OP.

In my opinion, to get action, leaders must be active. To increase activity, leaders must increase their activity. Inactivity on the elected representatives' part can only result in decreased activity from the grass roots, including during campaigns and elections.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
56. Thanks.
Thu May 30, 2019, 05:18 PM
May 2019

I’ll save it and see if I start a thread on it at some point. I don’t have the following you do, so much of what I post just sinks!

The topic of all thinks Trump is so fascinating to the public that the Democrats in Congress are well advised to use it. Nothing Fox could do would drag people away from watching the hearings. I agree with you that leaders can be showmen, which is something they ought to be anyway. Performance is constantly being rated by the pundits, the media and the public, even if people don’t think it is.

H2O Man

(73,323 posts)
58. I keep thinking
Thu May 30, 2019, 06:16 PM
May 2019

about that post. I am reminded of something Chief Waterman taught me when I was young. I'll try to get it right here:

There was a young man who was tasked with following a path. But he became distracted by the warm weather and beautiful wildlife around him, so he sat along the path and enjoyed just watching the world unfold. When he finally got up to follow the path, he found that it had become overgrown, and he could not find his way.

cstanleytech

(26,080 posts)
63. I doubt we will see Pelosi assisting the Repugnants in getting rid of Trump though I am
Thu May 30, 2019, 06:26 PM
May 2019

willing to bet she would make it easier on them and do so.
After all by not pushing for it but keeping it alive in the news media she can link him to the Repugnants craven cowardice in not doing it themselves and that in the long term will hurt the Repugnants at the polls and make it a hell of alot harder on them.
After all look what effect Trump has had in a number of elections like in Georgia where the Repugnants had to actually struggle and spend millions to keep a seat that should have been a slam dunk.

shraby

(21,946 posts)
70. I feel the same way and have since he won. I knew then that no good would be coming
Fri May 31, 2019, 03:48 AM
May 2019

from him. He needs impeached asap. The longer he stays in office the more damage he will do.

We have another problem as well. There are a couple more who need dealt with. Barr and McConnell. They are accomplices in the destruction. Then after it's established that the election was stolen for trump, the judges he and McConnell have installed should all be disbarred.

We need to clean house with a good broom.

democrank

(11,052 posts)
71. Congress must do its Constitutional Duty and hold this dangerous man accountable.
Fri May 31, 2019, 05:13 AM
May 2019

All citizens who care enough about their country and who dare stand and say so, must lead the way. This isn’t the time for timidity nor the time for inaction. In my view, it’s not about the next election, it’s about


Do or Die

Hekate

(90,189 posts)
73. Whatever we call the televised hearings, it can't happen soon enough. People need to see & hear...
Fri May 31, 2019, 03:27 PM
May 2019

...what's going on. That's the only way to build sufficient pressure in time.

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