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H2O Man

(73,323 posts)
Tue May 7, 2019, 06:50 PM May 2019

The Movement You Need

“The movement you need is on your shoulder.”
Paul McCartney; 1968


As we are edging towards seven hundred former federal prosecutors signing the statement about Trump having committed obstruction of justice, there are three things that I think we should keep in mind. First, this statement did not happen in a vacuum. Many of these individuals, including some involved in starting and promoting the letter, have worked with various people on the Mueller Team. Thus, they saw how Attorney General Barr ignored the team members who voiced dissatisfaction with Barr's 3.5 cover (up) letter. They watched Barr mislead the nation in his press conference, and a Senate committee while testifying. And they listened to Barr insult Robert Mueller.

Second, these individuals are fully aware that the investigation relating to Part One of the Mueller Report was not exclusively aimed at identifying Trump's role. Rather, the investigation involved documenting the role of Russians in contaminating the election process, as well as what if any role anyone in the Trump campaign may have had in conspiring and coordinating with the Russian effort. Thus, while this has been overlooked recently by the media, Barr's claim that Trump “knew” there was no collusion is simply false.

Trump – if he was truly not involved and unaware of the numerous contacts between Russians and his campaign – could only be certain of his knowledge and actions. It is, of course, difficult to believe that Trump was unaware of Don, Jr., Jared, and Manafort's meeting to “get dirt” on his opponent, especially in light of the timing of Trump's saying he would be holding a press conference to release Hillary's “corruption.” However, even if Trump actually is as stupid as he often appears to be, this does not grant him a license to obstruct the investigation. Thus, another bald-faced lie by Barr.

Third, it is important to recognize that there is direct links between members of the Mueller Team (indirectly) conveying the message to the media that they were unsatisfied with Barr's 3.5 summary, Mr. Mueller's letter to Barr, and the new letter signed by hundreds of former federal prosecutors. More, it is essential that we understand the letter is not simply to apply pressure to those in the House and Senate who continue to say the investigation cleared Trump of any wrong-doing.

It is also a serious effort to inform the public, and to spark citizen action. The success of their effort will be determined, in large part, on the public's response. They are counting on citizens – concerned by the corruption in the White House and Department of Justice – to speak up, loud and clearly. Contact all of your elected representatives in Washington, DC, and demand action. Write a letter to the editor of all of your local and area newspapers. Be actively involved, knowing that our constitutional democracy is at risk.

One last thing: we will win.

Peace,
H2O Man

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The Movement You Need (Original Post) H2O Man May 2019 OP
Bowel. A HERETIC I AM May 2019 #1
Well, I suppose H2O Man May 2019 #3
Nicely done malaise May 2019 #2
I think that H2O Man May 2019 #4
H2O promises me coeur_de_lion May 2019 #5
Interesting. H2O Man May 2019 #6
What a good question! coeur_de_lion May 2019 #8
I tried H2O Man May 2019 #9
I am a hard headed Irishman coeur_de_lion May 2019 #23
So you want to stop everything in it's tracks because lunatica May 2019 #25
What the hell is your problem buddy? coeur_de_lion May 2019 #26
Okay, here's something H2O Man May 2019 #30
I'm not your buddy lunatica May 2019 #33
Post removed Post removed May 2019 #34
Can't wait malaise May 2019 #7
Call the Senate (202) 225-3121 BigmanPigman May 2019 #10
Thank you! H2O Man May 2019 #11
Yep, mine are Dems so I call the GOP ones too. BigmanPigman May 2019 #15
Great! H2O Man May 2019 #17
I have literally called hundreds BigmanPigman May 2019 #19
A suggestion .... H2O Man May 2019 #20
I don't know if I can pull the whole BigmanPigman May 2019 #21
I hear you! H2O Man May 2019 #22
Hehehehe malaise May 2019 #28
It's been said that H2O Man May 2019 #29
K&R...👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼 spanone May 2019 #12
Thank you! H2O Man May 2019 #13
As always, thank you. spanone May 2019 #14
K&R just for the last line of optimism. llmart May 2019 #16
Thanks! H2O Man May 2019 #18
Right on brother!! Pepsidog May 2019 #24
Thank you! H2O Man May 2019 #31
Is This Another Way Of Saying Me. May 2019 #27
Right. H2O Man May 2019 #32
I certainly can see that coeur_de_lion May 2019 #36
One thing that is important, H2O Man May 2019 #38
"We will win." kentuck May 2019 #35
Thank you! H2O Man May 2019 #37

H2O Man

(73,323 posts)
3. Well, I suppose
Tue May 7, 2019, 06:55 PM
May 2019

it is fair to say there is a blockage in the bowels of our government that is harming our nation's health and well-being. And that we must remove it.

malaise

(267,811 posts)
2. Nicely done
Tue May 7, 2019, 06:55 PM
May 2019

I am also interested in Mueller's first letter to Barr - the one he mentioned in the second letter.
Truth will out and we will win.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
25. So you want to stop everything in it's tracks because
Tue May 7, 2019, 09:46 PM
May 2019

you demand to be convinced? Good luck with that.

coeur_de_lion

(3,666 posts)
26. What the hell is your problem buddy?
Tue May 7, 2019, 09:56 PM
May 2019

I asked my friend a question. He can answer it or not, up to him.

Where do you come in? Just here to stir up shit?

H2O Man

(73,323 posts)
30. Okay, here's something
Tue May 7, 2019, 10:42 PM
May 2019

that you'll find interesting. Trump, as you know, is freaking about Mr. Mueller testifying. He wants to stop him from doing so. But he can't. Barr won't "officially" be Mueller's supervisor next week. As we've discussed elsewhere, Barr tried this tactic early on after the 3.5 page summary was produced. But Mr. Mueller responded in a manner Barr couldn't deal with.

When Trump has asked how he can stop Mueller from testifying, he was told that at best, he could stop him from discussing their conversations -- in this case, Trump's responses to Bob's questions. Of course, they will attempt to try some way to prevent it from happening. But it won't work.

Response to lunatica (Reply #33)

H2O Man

(73,323 posts)
17. Great!
Tue May 7, 2019, 08:10 PM
May 2019

My represenatives in DV are Democrats, too. I like all of them, and the people that work with them. I like to call various republicans, too. Never know when someone on their staff will open up about what a jackass Trump is.

BigmanPigman

(51,430 posts)
19. I have literally called hundreds
Tue May 7, 2019, 08:14 PM
May 2019

of GOP reps in both houses and have never heard a staffer put down anything about tRump or the GOP yet so don't hold your breath.

H2O Man

(73,323 posts)
20. A suggestion ....
Tue May 7, 2019, 08:17 PM
May 2019

when you call, identify yourself as a moderate republican, who is concerned with the direction the party is going in. Mention the "there are good people on both sides." Say that as a Christian, that upset you.

BigmanPigman

(51,430 posts)
21. I don't know if I can pull the whole
Tue May 7, 2019, 08:27 PM
May 2019

Christian thing off. I do pretend to be a constituent and I tell them my current gripe (usually health care costs) and say that "none of my family and friends will vote GOP any more after this". It is tricky since I have a Phila accent.

H2O Man

(73,323 posts)
22. I hear you!
Tue May 7, 2019, 08:47 PM
May 2019

It can be difficult to say these things without laughing. I have trouble if there is someone else in the room.

H2O Man

(73,323 posts)
18. Thanks!
Tue May 7, 2019, 08:13 PM
May 2019

Trump and Barr are doing things that they believe will hive them temporary advantage. But their actions will bring negative results soon. (I almost wrote "in the long run," instead of "soon." But, in the big picture, it won't be that long.)

Me.

(35,454 posts)
27. Is This Another Way Of Saying
Tue May 7, 2019, 09:58 PM
May 2019

There is work going on behind the scenes?

Also, how do those who want to keep the country safe from the likes of Putin and Corrupt Melanoma/traitor deal with the likes of the Federalists and Opus dei members.

H2O Man

(73,323 posts)
32. Right.
Tue May 7, 2019, 10:47 PM
May 2019

There's a lot going on. The Trump is going to be hitting the fan, so to speak.

Your second point is a good one. People like Barr are hard to deal with, if one simply goes by rational thought and the rule of law. Hence, we are witnessing people stepping up, because they know that this case involves the absolute corruption of the DOJ. So they will expose him as a snake. There is more to come. Much more, in fact.

coeur_de_lion

(3,666 posts)
36. I certainly can see that
Wed May 8, 2019, 11:15 AM
May 2019

a short time into the future the latest revelations will be forgotten when the real results of Mueller’s probe are published.

If the redacted version was so damning for trump imagine how bad the Un redacted report is.

Barr spent a few weeks hiding the worst of it. Took a long time to cover up trump corruption.

Even if all we ever see are Mueller summaries they have to be very damaging to trump or Barr would have released them.

H2O Man

(73,323 posts)
38. One thing that is important,
Wed May 8, 2019, 01:33 PM
May 2019

at least in my mind, is the answer to the question of if Trump actually wants the House to impeach him? I've heard pundits and elected representatives discuss this, and I believe it is a serious question as we approach 2020.

However, the most obvious answer is that if Trump actually wanted to be impeached, all he would have to do is provide the House with all the documentation and witnesses they are requesting. This leads us directly to the second most obvious thing: Trump, being a bully by nature, is merely bluffing. If and when he is impeached, the House will have unlimited access to all the evidence. And then, even the republican apologists will be pressured into voting to convict him in the Senate.

H2O Man

(73,323 posts)
37. Thank you!
Wed May 8, 2019, 01:27 PM
May 2019

I think that Trump will be able to prevent Mr. Mueller from testifying about their conversations .....oh! wait!! Trump never did talk with Mueller, did he?

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