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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDo we like PETA?
I ask because someone I know and respect, a die hard Democrat and trump hater, thinks they're evil.
I, on the other hand, while I do not share their utopian vision of a pet-free world, think they're an honorable and necessary organization.
beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)Goodheart
(5,264 posts)That's just silly. They share their philosophies just as you do.
beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)PETA makes would ever influence me or my doctor. Same with Vegans or Flatearthers
Croney
(4,646 posts)Vegans eat certain things and don't eat certain things. Flatearthers are just...stupid. (Although I think most of them are just pretending, for fun.)
I respect PETA a lot. But I'll eat a boiled lobster. I'd like to be vegan or at least vegetarian.
Archae
(46,262 posts)The more militant ones want to force EVERYONE to eat the way they do.
Fortunately they are rather few in number.
Cory Booker is not one like that,
But I have met over the years a couple "vegan evangelists" who condemn me to their version of "hell," because I was eating a cheeseburger.
One of my close relatives tried vegan for a while, but gave it up since all she did was get sick to her stomach a lot.
mucifer
(23,374 posts)vegans are constantly under attack.
Jake Stern
(3,145 posts)but more than a few are.
The thing about many vegans that annoys the shit out of me is the preachiness. As noted downthread I had to unfriend a vegan I've known since childhood because of her almost incessant preaching on the virtues of being a vegan and how it's made her life soooooooo much better.
If I wish to know more about the vegan lifestyle I will ask.
mucifer
(23,374 posts)escape it.
That's just something to consider.
We can't walk down the street without advertisements on the streets much less adds on tv or the internet.
I don't ask about meat and dairy and eggs. It's always in my face.
No, I don't talk about being vegan a lot with friends and family who eat animals. But, I think people should think about what we go through.
Lucid Dreamer
(584 posts)And I eat a bunch of crap besides that I'm told isn't healthy. But now I'm just to damn old to change... even though I've been told so many times I'd never make this long.
I don't mind what people eat. I just don't want it preached to me as the better way. I am not going to change.
Caliman73
(11,694 posts)Eating meat is seen as "normal" in American and many other societies. People who adapt, especially strict vegan diets are hard pressed to find foods that have not been linked in any way with a meat eating diet. Those who have political views about eating meat are often demonized.
The crazy thing is that the idea of an omnivorous diet is sort of like White, or male privilege in that when we get criticized for eating meat and the very real consequences that our choice has on the environment, we feel like we are being persecuted.
ProfessorGAC
(64,425 posts)He suggests I decide.
A poor analogy from you.
Mariana
(14,849 posts)Do you?
ProfessorGAC
(64,425 posts)The reply was in reference to a poster saying we take instruction from our doctors.
I don't. I take suggestions, not directions, instructions, or orders.
Then, the best you have is to put words in my mouth? I didn't mention PETA.
GeorgeGist
(25,294 posts)handmade34
(22,755 posts)we need a strong government to protect us from ourselves...
Beringia
(4,314 posts)We don't need a People for the Ethical Treatment of People anymore, because of laws
yewberry
(6,530 posts)Also vegans, as you are undoubtedly about to see.
Goodheart
(5,264 posts)Anybody who cares for animal suffering is all right in my book, even if I don't agree with every last thing they've ever done or proposed.
brooklynite
(93,873 posts)It hates people who post holier-than-thou I dont XXXX and neither should you comments.
Amishman
(5,541 posts)I hate people who try to run my life for me; evangelicals if any kind. I don't care if you are preaching at me about Jesus, tofu, Norwex, or any other way that you want to change my life - if you are judging me and telling me to change my life you can go fuck off.
crazycatlady
(4,492 posts)happybird
(4,516 posts)yewberry
(6,530 posts)Preemptive assumptions about being preachy, judgmental, holier-than-thou, militant, & evangelical abound.
Mariana
(14,849 posts)Irishxs
(622 posts)Sometimes you have to go extreme just to end up with middle.
Goodheart
(5,264 posts)Iggo
(47,489 posts)Ferrets are Cool
(21,063 posts)there is a line which can be stepped across. They cross that line at times, but in most respects I agree with their views. I hate animal abuses.
CrossingTheRubicon
(731 posts)Their policies are often diametrically opposed to animal welfare.
The more people know about PETA the less they will like them.
No beef with vegans. I'd like Cory to be our next VP.
comradebillyboy
(10,119 posts)MiltonBrown
(322 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Lots of people want to be good, try to do good, and believe they're succeeding, but that doesn't mean all are.
At least PETA apparently has limited itself to only promoting and financing some terrorist acts by others and other violence against humans, although animals, shockingly, are often not safe from them.
happybird
(4,516 posts)Peta is NOT pet friendly.
I'm from VA and this was big news here a few years ago:
"that same facility also euthanized more than 80 percent of the animals in its care last year, a rate so shockingly high that Virginia lawmakers passed a bill in February nearly unanimously to define a private animal shelter as a place where the primary mission is to find permanent homes for animals in this life, not send them on to the next."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/religion/at-petas-shelter-most-animals-are-put-down-peta-calls-them-mercy-killings/2015/03/12/e84e9af2-c8fa-11e4-bea5-b893e7ac3fb3_story.html?utm_term=.e4eeea797b29
And, they spend more money on celebrity ads, self promotion, and publicity stunts than doing something to actually help.
melman
(7,681 posts)X_Digger
(18,585 posts)They kill 90% of the pets they take in, including snatching pets from backyards and euthanizing them.
They tried to link autism to milk, they dressed up in kkk robes to protest westminster kennel club..
caraher
(6,276 posts)Their stunts, on balance, confirm every negative stereotype of those concerned with the welfare of non-human human life in the eyes of the people who most need to be reached.
I wouldn't say the organization shouldn't exist, just that the good it does is mostly in the hearts and imaginations of people already won over by their cause.
Boomerproud
(7,889 posts)protects and gives voice to the voiceless. However, I also feel the PR stunts are stupid and counterproductive. Needs new leadership.
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)literally do their part with their 'shelter'...it was a big scandal.
With that being said I will still sign a petition or back an initiative I believe in. But I'll never give them money or don their logo.
hunter
(38,264 posts)This kind of evangelism goes way back in human history.
But I am some sort of misanthropic radical who adopts difficult dogs from the shelter. I have a very low opinion of those who breed and buy dogs as fashion accessories.
Typical producers of "factory farm" meat and dairy products are loathsome. Their animals and assembly line workers live in hell.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,147 posts)Wounded Bear
(58,440 posts)I think it hurts their cause when they go radical.
Meowmee
(5,164 posts)They are a dishonest and fraudulent oganization. Crazies are bad news,whichever side they are on. Just google and you will find plenty of information about this. Anyone who supports them should throw away all meds and stop all treatments you use, which have used or relied on any animal research, even the life saving ones, since Peta is against any animal research. Statistics I found state an 83% euthanization rate at their shelters in 2018.
Bettie
(15,998 posts)they kill the vast majority of the animals at their "shelters". So, the whole animal welfare portion of their supposed organization is just bullshit.
comradebillyboy
(10,119 posts)near my dogs. They capture and kill pets.
Laffy Kat
(16,356 posts)I agree with them about 50% of the time.
Iggo
(47,489 posts)I approve!
ismnotwasm
(41,921 posts)Not one bit
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)IluvPitties
(3,181 posts)For instance, they can go f**k themselves.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)You probably saw this on another thread from yesterday, but I'll post again ... our pit rules ... tell me that's not the sweetest FACE
(well, okay, my ex-wife's pit, but he was ours for 9 years) ...
ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)Seriously, I want to know what they said about pitties.
They discourage breeding of all companion animals.
Here's their position:
To clarify PETAs position on pit bulls: Were for em.
By for em, I mean that we are for pit bull protection, for their happiness, and for treating them like dogs instead of like cheap burglar alarms, punching bags, or gladiators in perverted death matches.
Some pit bull fanciers out there seem to think that PETA is against pit bulls because we dont oppose breed-specific measures to address what is obviously a breed-specific crisis. Au contraire. If someone proposed a ban on breeding Labrador retrievers or Chihuahuas or poodles (you get the picture any dog), wed be for those too. Thats because we dont think any dogs should be brought into the world as long as millions are dying for lack of homes in animal shelters and on the streets every year.
Millions, people. Millions of dogs just like the ones you share your homes with have to be euthanized because too many people fail to spay and neuter their animals and choose to buy from breeders and pet stores instead of saving lives by adopting from animal shelters. Wouldnt we be derelict in our duty if we didnt support laws that would alleviate suffering and reduce those numbers? If those laws saved just one animal from suffering a miserable life or a painful death, wouldnt they be worth it?
Pit bulls are often singled out by legislators because they are involved in so many attacks on humans and other dogsas well as horrific cruelty cases. Our fieldworkers know firsthand just how frequently and mercilessly pit bulls are abused. These dogs are hands-down the most common victims of heartbreaking abuse and severe neglect that our caseworkers encounter.
https://www.peta.org/blog/peta-position-pit-bulls/
DO NOT click through the link unless you're prepared to see photos of pit bulls who've been mistreated or abused.
ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)I am NOT going to click that link!!!! But I'm glad you did to retrieve the info
IluvPitties
(3,181 posts)Check this out:
[link:https://www.huffingtonpost.com/arin-greenwood/peta-pit-bulls_b_8322902.html|
ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)I've met plenty of pitties, and I can remember two that were not so good. One was in a sketchy neighborhood locked in a car. The other was a puppy with a lot of energy who was being a little too aggressive at the dog park and had to go home. Other than that, all the pitties I've met have been delightful. Perhaps a little shy, but really funny. One time my 35 lb blue heeler didn't like how a 110 lb pit mom was playing rough with her 106 lb pit son, so he decided to break it up. The son took off and cowered by the fence. The mom stood her ground. She and my dog had a growling/snapping match until I broke it up. Nothing happened, but if it had, it would have been my dog's fault.
True Dough
(17,095 posts)"PETA" Griffin
crazycatlady
(4,492 posts)The better choice would be Peeta Malark (Hunger Games).
True Dough
(17,095 posts)Although I'm aware his name is Peter, when Lois calls him, you could easily mistake it for PETA.
handmade34
(22,755 posts)I am vegetarian (pretty much vegan) and would love to have people understand the reasons factory farming and eating copious amounts of meat is bad for the individual, the Country and the planet
change, preferably will come with education and free choice, but at some point we must protect the environment from assholes who refuse to accept responsibility for the part they play in climate change, high medical costs, inequality, etc...
people shouldn't preach to the unwilling
still_one
(91,963 posts)crazycatlady
(4,492 posts)(ALso a vegetarian)
If I wanted to learn about Jesus or veganism, I don't need an activist in the streets or on the internet telling me about it. I know how to use Google and I will research on my own (if I want to).
An unsolicited pamphlet about either is likely to end up in my recycle bin. Obnoxious activists are likely to turn me away from the cause they're working to promote.
still_one
(91,963 posts)CrossingTheRubicon
(731 posts)They are evil. And they are not humane.
A "pet-free world" means all the companion animals in the world should be exterminated.
Pure evil.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)At least then people can enjoy the company of a pet.
CrossingTheRubicon
(731 posts)This group is insane. Really insane.
Death is better than bondage in the mind of PETA.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Jake Stern
(3,145 posts)They convinced a homeless man to let them take his companion dog with the lie that they would get it shots and a checkup then bring it back but then they euthanized it as soon as the animal arrived at the shelter.
Even worse was the smug, self-righteous attitude they displayed when called out on it.
Used to have a PETA supporting vegan friend on facebook that I had to unfriend after my repeated friendly requests for her to NOT tag me in her vegan/animal rights posts went ignored.
While it's unfair to broad brush folks, it seems like most of the vegans I meet are militant about it.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)most animals that it takes in?
happybird
(4,516 posts)As someone said upthread, the more one knows about peta, the less they'll like them.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)OnDoutside
(19,908 posts)Kaleva
(36,146 posts)nini
(16,670 posts)They were protesting outside UCLA medical center when my sister was trying to get in to when my nephew was preparing for a life saving heart surgery. They were expecting her to not go in - like you would if a store workers were on strike. They were yelling in her face at one of the most stressful times of her life. I hate them.
They're assholes. I'll stick with real animal rescue organizations who actually accomplish good deeds.
Taste like chicken.
Bayard
(21,805 posts)For instance, exposing abuses of lab animals.
But they definitely go off the rails more often than not. They would shriek in horror at my place.
mucifer
(23,374 posts)DinahMoeHum
(21,737 posts). . .(at times) displays of their rhetoric and protest, I've felt their slogan should be:
"Eat Pu**y, Not Meat"
aikoaiko
(34,127 posts)Having said that I support PETAs efforts to catch people who don't follow animal handling rules.
But otherwise they can eff-off.
jmowreader
(50,453 posts)The American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals and the Humane Society of the United States are much more respectable groups.
ProfessorGAC
(64,425 posts)I question their sincerity at every turn. Somebody's getting rich, and it's not the animals!
Xolodno
(6,339 posts)...oh you meant the other PETA...fuck those monsters.
I donate to the National Parks, California Sea Otter Fund and Petsmart Charities.
tandem5
(2,072 posts)PTWB
(4,131 posts)They do so much harm.
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)Even acknowledging that PETA sterilized over 10,500 dogs and cats and returned them to their owners, it doesn't change the fact that its adoption rate in 2011 was 2.5 percent for dogs and 0.4 for cats. Even acknowleding that PETA never turns an animal away -- "the sick, the scarred and broken, the elderly, the aggressive and unsocialized..." -- doesn't change the fact that Virginia animal shelters as a whole had a much lower kill rate of 44 percent. And even acknowledging that PETA is often the first to rescue pets when heat waves and hurricanes hit, that doesn't change the fact that, at one of its shelters, it kills 84 percent of supposedly "unadoptable" animals within 24 hours of their arrival.
When I contacted PETA for a comment on these numbers, Amanda Schinke, a spokesperson for the organization, sent a thoughtful and detailed response. In it she explained how "euthanasia is a product of love for animals who have no one to love them." She called their killing a "tragic reality," one that forthrightly acknowledges how "sometimes [animals] need the comfort of being put out of their misery -- a painless release from a world in which they were abused and unwanted." Noting that PETA, unlike many "no-kill" shelters, turns no animal away, Schinke added, "we do everything in our power to help these animals." The harsh reality behind the grim numbers, she noted, should never be forgotten: "Millions of homeless animals are euthanized in animal shelters and veterinary offices across America because of simple math: too many animals and not enough suitable homes."
But is this really a simple math problem? Nathan Winograd doesn't think so. Winograd, a Stanford Law graduate and former corporate lawyer, is the author of Irreconcilable Differences: The Battle for the Heart and Soul of America's Animal Shelters. When the data on PETA dropped, he posted a scathing article insisting that the organization's almost 100 percent kill rate was due not to laziness or poor management but to "something more nefarious." Winograd asserts that PETA's failure to find homes for impounded companion animals is the result of founder Ingrid Newkirk's "dark impulses." Performing a virtual psychological vivisection, Winograd diagnoses Newkirk as a "disturbed person," a "shameless animal killer," and the executrix of a "bloody reign" of terror over dogs and cats. At one point, he even compares her to nurses who get a thrill from killing their human patients.
CrossingTheRubicon
(731 posts)TheBlackAdder
(28,076 posts).
At their highly publicized protest, they thought they would hammer the mayor of the town.
When they asked why residents of Fish Kill were happy to live in a town that promoted harm to fish, the mayor said that the word 'kill' means stream, hence the origin of Fish Kill's name was based off of a stream laden with fish. This was met with an, "Oh!"
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