Feinstein attacks (long time California senator).

[C Moon]

It appears the TrumPutin parade has decided to take its' next attack on Feinstein and California.
I'm seeing a lot of spam attacks on Feinstein and other California Democratic politicians here and elsewhere.
Be sure to stand behind the Democratic party, and not let these GOP/Russian bots and trolls decide on who our Democratic leaders should be.
Think for yourself, don't be swayed by some jargon put out by some slimy GOP think tank.

[Sophia4]

1. I am not a Russian bot, and I think that, since she will be 85 in November when the

election is held and 91 when the six-year term is up, Feinstein really should not run.

She was born in 1933. I was born in 1943.

She lives in and represents California (Northern California) and would have to travel from D.C. to California to visit her constituents. It's just too stressful to serve in Congress in the late 80s of your life.

It's hard to say time's up, but it is for Feinstein. That's my view.

Besides, we 22 million of us who live in Southern California have not had anyone from our area in the Senate since 1992. It's time for Southern Californians to place someone in Congress. Kevin De Leon might be the right candidate. I haven't decided for sure who I will vote for, but I really think Dianne Feinstein should not be running this time.

I know a lot of people are upset about this, and I am very sorry, but the job of senator is too stressful, especially for someone representing 39 million plus people at the age of 85 plus.

[democratisphere]

2. redumbliCONs have served till they are 100 and can't even stand

without assistance from their fellow GOPers. Feinstein still has many years left in her ability to preform the job and do it well! This is no time to create a Bernie Buster like problem, imo.

[ancianita]

3. Agree. She'll wait 'til there's a Dem majority, then vacate important Senate Committee positions.

[LenaBaby61]

8. "She'll wait 'til there's a Dem majority, then vacate important Senate Committee positions."

Agree!

[Sophia4]

28. But she will have a six-year term.

We don't know who will succeed her.

She really needs to think this over again.

I have always hoped that Xavier Becerra would take her place. We shall see.

[R B Garr]

51. She did rethink it. She was going to step aside until Clinton's loss,

and she saw that her seniority was needed. Why do you keep ignoring the benefits her seniority offers in this time of Trump's coup? We don't need to kick her out and let her work on the Russia investigations go to waste. We need someone who can see this through.

We need to quit spamming anti-Feinstein red herrings about her age and about Southern California. This is not a Southern California vs. Northern California issue.

[nbsmom]

107. We Californians have a very proud history of sending older people back to DC

Alan Cranston and S.I. Hayakawa spring to mind. 🙄

Of course, that was before we had ranked-choice voting (the top two candidates in the June primary advance to the ballot in November regardless of party).

IOW, we can choose between two Dems in June, and again in November.

If we end up sending DiFi back to DC as part of a Dem majority, at least we know she'll introduce gun control legislation. Then maybe she'll retire and let Adam Schiff move up (nothing against Kevin de Leon, would prefer someone with Adam Schiff's judicial chops).

[ancianita]

124. True. Political acumen is more important than numbers; repubs won't just try to bide their time.

de Leon is fine, but right now is the time for us to have committee strength.

[LenaBaby61]

7. "redumbliCONs have served till they are 100 and can't even stand."

You can say THAT again:



PLUS he was a racist, filibustering POS

[GWC58]

9. A racist with a

African-American child. Tried to keep that on the QT. Ain’t that so, Strom?!

[Are_grits_groceries]

15. He basically melted in front of our eyes.

He really looked like an alien at the end.

[mercuryblues]

32. I always likened him to

Bernie, from Weekend at Bernie's. They just stuffed him and put those sneakers with wheels on him.

[PdxSean]

18. Thurman was the consummate southern politician.

https://www.thenation.com/article/was-strom-rapist/

[Sophia4]

27. That's no model. We need true representation and not just someone sitting in an office.

I have always voted for Dianne Feinstein when she has run, but we need someone younger as our senator, preferably from Southern California. We need someone strong enough to fight for our issues.

Dianne Feinstein has been heroic, but this is a good time for her to give the seat to a younger person.

[R B Garr]

45. California is not split into regional sections. It is just a red herring to make

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this about Southern California vs Northern California. These is a useless divisive tactic.

We need someone with seniority. These constant spammed attacks on good Democrats have backfired for the revolution types. The reality we are seeing is that more people prefer the stability that experienced politicians like Feinstein bring.

[ehrnst]

135. Yes, incredibly divisive. (nt)

[Sophia4]

141. I'm in Southern California. We deserve to have a senator.

We haven't had one since 1992.

Democrats in other states could do a better job of getting Democrats elected where they live and then Dianne Feinstein could retire and let someone else lift the heroic weights in the Senate.

I have voted for Feinstein many times. I don't think anyone should write anything here about her unless a) as with California, both senators from their state are Democrats, b) they are from Southern California.

Northern California has Kamala Harris (I voted for her and like her very much), but Southern California deserves to have Senate representation for a change after so many years.

I would have liked to see Xavier Becerra run for the Senate, but he is Attorney General for California, so I guess that won't happen. He is great in my opinion.

[R B Garr]

144. I'm in Southern California. Your concerns are really contrived. You won't have

your own Senator. They both work for the entire state. It's obvious you are just trying to throw whatever you can against the wall to denigrate Dianne Feinstein because it is part of a nasty strategy to pretend there is a huge drumbeat to get rid of elected Democrats that the revolution doesn't like, but that is not the case. This is all contrived.

California is not split up into North and South. This is a really divisive attempt to inject some talking points about how you are underrepresented and that Northern California has some damaging stranglehold on the voters, but that is not the case.

Northern California does not have Kamala Harris. That is not only contrived, it is just a huge gaping yaw of completely made up fiction. This is just bizarre, really. You are not going to get your own Senator. You should stop this, it is just really wrong and inane.

Did I mention I am in Southern California?? Oh, yes, I am in Southern California. I deserve not to have my elections tampered with by a hostile foreign power, so we need our very experienced Senator to remain in office so she can see the Russia investigations through. She certainly shouldn't be driven out for the contrived reasons you present -- which is that your mother couldn't work in the yard after a certain age and you live in Southern California and want your own Senator. Uh, no.

[Sophia4]

147. I am in Southern California. We have a lot of problems that a Democrat, albeit a

good one, from Northern California does not understand and will not talk about or deal with in the Senate.

Over 22 million people in Southern California and no senator.

That is a problem. No other area with 22 million people in all of the US has no senator, no Senate representation.

Dianne Feinstein is too old to be running. I wonder whether she will actually campaign in Southern California. Let me know if you hear of any rallies or campaign appearances.

[R B Garr]

149. This is just a contrived talking point. It is a desperate attempt to

make some problem where there is none. California is not split into North and South. There is no legitimate reason to campaign for your own Senator and it makes no sense.

You do have Senate representation. Each state has two (2) Senators. To say you don't have Senate representation is beyond absurd. There are 50 states; each has two (2) Senators. California has two (2) Senators.

The age is a totally contrived issue since you support an 80-year-old man as President. President is a harder job than Senator. Feinstein has been doing her job and continues to be a fine Senator. Just yesterday, she sat next to our President and totally owned him about gun control. You should have seen it. There is no reason to diminish her because you said your mother could not work in the yard or get in the attic after a certain age. My mother can still work in the yard. We shouldn't care what Dianne Feinstein does around her house. That is not our concern.

We need her experience in the Senate. We need to see which Americans helped Russia hack our elections. You never raise this as a concern, and it is obvious why. But she is experienced, and we need her on the committees.

The state already knows Dianne Feinstein really well. That's why they keep electing her. She doesn't need to act like a junior politician because she isn't.

[lapucelle]

106. ...

This week alone:

2/28/18 Feinstein, Flake Introduce Bipartisan Bill to Raise Minimum Age to Purchase Assault Weapons from 18 to 21

2/27/18 Senate Democrats Introduce Resolution to Reinstate Net Neutrality

2/27/18 Senators Push Interior Secretary to Restart Key Study of Offshore Drilling Safety Enforcement

2/27/18 Feinstein, Harris File Supreme Court Amicus Brief to Protect Women’s Access to Information about their Rights & Healthcare Services

2/22/18 Feinstein Calls for Hearing on Assault Weapons Ban

2/21/18 Feinstein, Harris Secure Funds to Keep Rural Families in Their Homes

What on earth would make anyone think DiFi just sits around in an office?

https://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/press-releases

[Cha]

122. Mahalo, lapcelle!

Di's been busy!

[NBachers]

110. My god, she's a ranking member of the Senate Committee on the Judiciary! You want to jettison that?

You came on here last night with your fallacious defense of Levi Sanders. You tied up threads and refused to back off when you were demonstrated wrong.

Now you're trying to defend getting rid of Dianne Feinstein when she's one of the few bulwarks we've got between us and republican treason.

Stop it now!

[Sophia4]

140. I'm in California. I have voted for Dianne Feinstein over and over.

It's time for someone new. If DUers in other states did there jobs and got more Democrats elected into Congress, her positions on committees would not be an issue.

If elected in November, she will be 91 when she completes her term.

She will be replaced by a Democrat. Don't worry about that.

[ehrnst]

134. Is younger always better?

Hillary is younger than Bernie.

You may find Senator Feinstein distasteful, but us progressives like someone in the Senate with her power and experience on our side.

[JI7]

6. southern california voted for feinstein also. not sure why you are separating the state

the entire state gets to vote . i'm in southern california and prefer newsom to villaraigosa .

[lapfog_1]

11. gavin is going to run for governor, right?

[Sophia4]

25. I prefer Newsom to Villaraigosa to, but it is unrealistic to run for office at the age

of 85 if your term will be six years.

I have voted for Feinstein in each election. This year I am not sure. But I think Feinstein should not run.

She has been a wonderful role model for women.

But there is a time to stop.

[R B Garr]

46. This ageism double standard spam again?? This standard only seems to

apply to the revolution tactics, as age is not important in their candidates of choice.

[NBachers]

111. Stop it now!

[leftofcool]

12. Sounds a little aegist to me.

[Sophia4]

24. Ageist or realistic?

I have voted for Feinstein many times. But there comes a time to stop running for the Senate.

[R B Garr]

47. Realism isn't really a consideration when the double standards show

the opposite. The double standards show that age is not important to candidates of choice. That sounds more like just plain ol' arbitrary negativism.

[sprinkleeninow]

82. I'm not in CA, but I feel that this is NOT the time for her to stop.

Not now in this troubling of times.

[spooky3]

101. It is ageist to impose on an individual some rule that you are applying based on a group.

There is no way I would be able to do that job NOW, let alone at age 85 or 90. But that has nothing to do with Feinstein.

it is unfair to use stereotypes about age to determine whether someone is qualified, just as it would be to judge someone based on race. Judge her on her own behavior and promises.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

102. Yes, they're doing it to Bernie too!

[BannonsLiver]

19. Youre on a roll today

[R B Garr]

48. +++++ At least it's on to anti-Feinstein and giving

the anti-Biden spam a rest...

[displacedtexan]

22. Should Justice R G also step down? Should all older women just step aside now?

If you're lucky enough to live long enough, you'll understand ageism, my friend.

[Sophia4]

23. No. RGB should stay on the Court.

Her job is mostly intellectual. She doesn't have to travel a lot.

But the job of a senator is very difficult physically. So age is an issue.

I have voted for Dianne Feinstein. She has done a great job. I respect her. But her age is a problem.

[R B Garr]

50. "her age is a problem." There are no examples of her age being

a problem. Do only women get taxed by travel? Don't older men suffer greatly as well??

[tazkcmo]

79. Her age is a problem

Do you have any specific incidences that you can point to that would illustrate the problems she is having because of her age? Or is this just your opinion based on no presentable facts?

[spanone]

26. how do you know what is stressful for her? it is her choice.

no one knows better than her what it takes to be a senator.

[Sophia4]

29. It will be the voters' choice.

And her age will probably be an issue.

She has been a hero. I have always voted for her.

But we in California need a new senator. I don't know whether De Leon is the right one. We shall see.

[spanone]

52. it will be her choice to run. the voters choice if she's elected

[mchill]

34. I don't see Feinstein being affected by her age

And they would call that ageism. Also, I rather appreciate someone with that kind of experience and seniority representing California.

[Demsrule86]

35. Then I am sure you would tell Sen. Sanders not to run right? We don't need a junior

Senator to replace Sen. Feinstein. I predict that De Leon is finished and Sen. Feinstein wins...never a good sign when on agrees with the right wing or Russian trolls.

[LanternWaste]

49. What specifically leads you to make that allegation?

" It's just too stressful to serve in Congress in the late 80s of your life..."

What specifically leads you to make that allegation?


I get it... maybe you feel too old yourself to accept high-stress positions, but that's simply not a valid reason to project that weakness onto anyone else unless we have objective evidence illustrating that she is in fact, unable to perform her responsibilities. Show us that evidence, and you may have a case.

Otherwise, it's merely premise lacking any evidence to support it.

[Sophia4]

73. Compare her videos when she was younger with her current ones.

[R B Garr]

59. You have spammed this exact same anti-Feinstein post many times.

This is not a Southern California vs. Northern California issue. That is just a red herring meant to increase the cred for Kevin de Leon, but it is a total nonissue and just divisiveness.

You keep ignoring the benefit of Feinstein's committee seniority.

You keep trying to force health issues on Feinstein that she does not display. Just because traveling is taxing for you doesn't mean it is for someone else. The double standards about age and health are glaring unless the older men you favor are also asked to retire.

[Sophia4]

72. Her committee seniority is important. I realize that.

People in my family live long. My mother lived alone and climbed up into her attic and brought things down, gardened and walked until she was in her mid-90s. But she was often tired and though she read a lot, I noticed that she spent hours sleeping in front of the Weather Channel on TV in her late 80s, early 90s.

I know De Leon (not well and I am not associated with his campaign in any way), but I don't know whether I will vote for him.

I stand by my statements. She should not run again.

[R B Garr]

81. She was brilliant today sitting next to the President talking about her assault

weapons ban. She's a politician, not a family member where we need to mind whether she needs assistance in the attic or tending her flowers. That is rather condescending, actually. Do you worry about whether Bernie needs a high step to get his books in his house? Or whether he gets tired fetching a sweater from the closet to wear in the freezing cold Northeast? This is really a totally useless analogy and condescending way to talk about a U.S. Senator who was just on TV doing her job as good as anyone around her.

We need her experience and her stability. Doesn't De Leon have some loose ends to clear up regarding his roommates sexual harassment charges? First things first.

[BoneyardDem]

69. So what do you suppose should be the cut off age...like 75?

Women live longer than men you know.

[Sophia4]

70. Probably 85 at the oldest.

It's different for presidents because they pick a successor, the vice president, before they take office. But I probably still would not vote for someone over 80 for any office. The stress is enormous.

[BoneyardDem]

71. That's convenient

[Sophia4]

95. I'm 74. People in my family live long lives. I know what old age means.

[R B Garr]

116. Feinstein doesnt have to conform to your family.

This is getting really bizarre. Just be honest about what you are really doing here. This is about the revolution trying to turn Democrats out. You must think attacking her age is a sure thing so you are going for it. This is very transparent.

Feinstein was brilliant today. Her experience is irreplaceable.

[BoneyardDem]

127. my 94 year old mother in law could run circles around most men 75.

she is a sharp as a tack and knows her shit. We have received many an "education' from her that most other would also do well to learn. If Feinstein continues in the manner and with guts she has been going on so far, I'd say better the known fighter than an unknown still learning the convoluted ropes and rules of DC politics and trying to form alliances. In 2018...we simply don't have the time for that type of a learning curve.

[mcar]

92. Oh, so it's different for Presidents, is it?

That explains a lot.

[Sophia4]

94. Yes. It's different for presidents because they only get elected if they have run

with the person who is to replace them, the vice presidential candidate. Only because of that.

There is no problem with succession when you have a president because of the vice president.

[mcar]

96. States have procedures in effect to replace Senators/Congress people

Have you noticed, a good number of them have resigned early recently? Most are not 80. That's why there are special elections and appointments.

If Senator Feinstein should die or resign during her next term, I feel quite certain the state of CA has such a procedure in p!ace.

[nbsmom]

115. Indeed. It's called appointment by the currently serving governor, then a special election.

Which is how DiFi is actually ended up in the seat that she now holds -- Pete Wilson (R) resigned to become governor of CA, and the guy he appointed served like a year before DiFi ran against him.

Alan Cranston was the Senator from CA for 24 years before he retired in 1992, which cleared the way for Boxer to run. She retired in 2016, after serving 24 years. Since DiFi was elected the same year, that means she's now looking at (if she wins in November) serving 32 years.

I think what people are counting on is that the governorship stays in Dem hands. What people forget is that every so often we do something truly stupid like electing a Governator.

[Sophia4]

129. At this time, no matter who the candidate against her is, the seat will stay in

Democratic hands. Who knows what will happen six years from now?

[R B Garr]

130. We need her experience now. There is no replacement for it.

Gratuitous hostility towards a well-known and successful Democrat didn’t work well in California when this same strategy was tried on Clinton. Yuuuuuge win for Hillary here.

[Sophia4]

146. California is a blue state.

Now if Democrats in other states would learn from us and do what we did right, we'd have competent, good government.

But. . . . Democrats across the country prefer to sit on their you-know-whats and interfere in our affairs. It's much easier than actually telling Republicans face-to-face why they should be voting for Democrats.

So much should not depend on one elderly politician.

[R B Garr]

151. This is another bizarre post. Are you suggesting that Dianne Feinstein is

responsible for the revolution not gaining enough ground in California because she is too lazy?? What are you even talking about?? Dianne Feinstein is not responsible for the state of California voting overwhelmingly for Hillary.

And which elderly politician are you talking about?? Bernie?? How rude. Your post is not understandable, really.

[Demsrule86]

97. Sorry if Feinstein is too old so is Sanders...the governor of California can replace her...no more

double standards please.

[BoneyardDem]

100. So right. Remember, Feinstein accomplished so much more in her political life

...and because she is a woman is statistically likely to outlive any man several years her junior.

[Demsrule86]

125. I agree...it seems it is open season on women.

[R B Garr]

114. So California could not figure out how to replace an

elected official?? How absurd. I seem to remember a very young governor who was recalled and somehow everyone figured that out. Divisiveness all the time! Yikes.

[R B Garr]

112. This is just more arbitrary arbitrariness. How convenient

that Bernie is okay in your book for the world’s most taxing job at 80, but a woman doing her same job is just too old. She was brilliant on TV today sitting next to the President. Her experience is irrreplaceable.

[mcar]

91. What about other older candidates?

What is your age cutoff?

[nini]

103. My nephew works for her

She can handle it. She's a total badass.

And last I heard she represented Southern California too. I don't give a shit where my senators are from as long as they're doing the job.

[herding cats]

118. See, the thing is if her constituents dont mind, and they get how valuable a Sr vs. Jr member is...

Then that’s good. It means they’re paying attention and they get how politics actually work in the US. Yay for them!

Giving up her seniority, at this pivotal juncture, would be really stupid and shortsighted. Feinstein knows this, and as such she can’t retire like she’d hoped and previously planned. Which really sucks for her, but those of us who benefit from it should be thankful she’s foregoing ever getting a retirement to keep fighting for what we believe in.

That’s the extremely simplified version of the facts for those confused. We have a woman here who will never get to retire and enjoy her old age because we couldn’t get our shit together and vote accordingly in 2016. So, she’s stepping back up to the plate once again (!) to cover our failures.

Oh, and people are attacking her are doing so because she’s old, and it’s time for someone from your part of the state to get their shot at her job... I’m not hearing that.

My family stretches from LA to Butte county, and 8 other counties between. None of them mirror your thinking. It’s our home state and we hearlad back generations in California. It’s were we’re all from and most of us still live there. I know lots of people who think you’re dead wrong.

[Sophia4]

150. At least you understand why she shouldn't run.

She will probably be re-elected.

We shall see how she does as she serves into her dotage.

[pnwmom]

121. Her experience and smarts will be helpful as we go through the Trump nightmare.

There's no rule that says she can't retire partway through her term, if it gets to be too much for her.

[LeftishBrit]

123. There've been others who served till greater ages

Thurmond was 100, though he's maybe not a good example.

I think the main problem with an older senator is that if they die or retire mid-term for health reasons, they may be replaced by someone chosen by a Republican governor. But that is unlikely in California?

[still_one]

126. Senator Feinstein represents ALL of California. If you are using the argument that because she

comes from Northern California, WHERE I COME FROM, she shouldn't be elected because we need someone from Southern California, that is bullshit

With that reasoning, perhaps NORTHERN CALIFORNIA should stop sending water down to Southern California through the Peripherial Canal. That is the most asinine reasoning I have heard why one should not vote for a candidate.

Feinstein and De Leon are eye to eye on almost EVERY ISSUE. In fact, both were enthusiastic supporters of Hillary:

"The question to California Senate President Pro Tem Kevin DeLeón, one of the most powerful Democrats in the state, was simple: Hillary or Bernie?
Before answering, DeLeon smiled, turned to an aide and asked for the green light to announce his pick. “What’s today, Wednesday?” Green light.

“I’m with Hillary Rodham Clinton. All the way,” the Los Angeles Democrat said of his choice between Clinton and Democratic primary opponent Bernie Sanders. “I think she’s the best candidate. I think she has experience. She’s tough. She’s battle- tested and she’s prepared, and I have every confidence she can lead this country.”

https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/State-Senate-leader-DeLe-n-picks-Clinton-6804611.php

You want to argue that you think she is too old, fine, but don't spew the bullshit argument that she only represents Northern California, that is a falsehood.

However, we can talk about some of the politicians that Southern California has given our state.

George Deukmejian, Pete Wilson, Ronald Reagan, Arnold Schwarzenegger, etc.

Jerry Brown's history is from Northern California, and he not only has represented our ENTIRE STATE WELL, but he undid a lot of the damage done by the Govenors elected from SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA.

[Sophia4]

148. Dianne Feinstein has never lived in Southern California.

In fact, since 1992, no senator has lived in Southern California. And there are 22 million people without a one of them in the Senate who actually live in Southern California.

I want a senator from Southern California. I don't know whether Kevin De Leon is the right one. We shall see. I have met him, but don't know where he stands on issues other than that he was in charge of our state Senate -- probably still is.

We have issues in Southern California including water that only someone living here can understand.

Do you know how much/little rain we have had this year?

Living in Northern California, no one could imagine what a real drought is like. We need Senate representation. We need one person in the Senate from our geographical area of the country.

[still_one]

153. Don't patronize me with "No one in Northern California can imagine what a "real drought is like"

I have family in LA, and I know perfectly well what is going on down there.

I have my doubts that you are even aware of the bills, including the ones trying to address the drought that Feinstein has tried to push through the Senate.

[ehrnst]

133. A California Senator serves and represents you, and everyone else in California

Whether or not you choose to believe that or not is your decision, but facts are facts nonetheless:

The Constitution prescribes that the Senate be composed of two Senators from each State (therefore, the Senate currently has 100 Members) and that a Senator must be at least thirty years of age, have been a citizen of the United States for nine years, and, when elected, be a resident of the State from which he or she is chosen. A Senator's term of office is six years and approximately one-third of the total membership of the Senate is elected every two years.

https://www.senate.gov/reference/reference_index_subjects/Senators_vrd.htm

The job of President is way, way, more stressful, and men her age are considered fit for that job. While individuals vary, Women as a whole are less affected by age related physical and cognitive issues.

You're welcome.

[riversedge]

4. Very good advice.

[Thekaspervote]

5. Amen to that one

[EffieBlack]

10. +1000

Why are progressives so eager to drink GOP Kool-Aid?

[leftofcool]

13. I know, I know, pick me!

But, we can't talk about that here.

[nocalflea]

64. True progressives vs. radical burn it down purity progressives ?

Sorta like never Trumpers GOP vs. Pro-Trumpers GOP.

Horseshoe in effect .

[Hortensis]

14. We can identify our powerful politicians by their enemies.

Look at who the Repubs and Russia are attacking and you who they need to take out.

Same as identifying who Russia must take out to defeat America. The Democrats of course.

Both our Repubs and Russia are trying to take out Senator Feinstein, and it's not her age they're afraid of, it's her.

[ehrnst]

16. Kick and Reced!

[TheSmarterDog]

17. Attacking Democrats & The Democratic Party never helps enact a liberal/progressive agenda.

[Jim Lane]

21. The OP is an example of what you criticize

I see nothing wrong with campaigns in a primary in which people express their different views about issues. Incumbents don't merit automatic renomination or re-election.

What should be condemned is the tendency of some Democrats to denounce any disagreement as "spam attacks" or the work of "GOP/Russian bots and trolls" -- as if it's just inconceivable that there could be any good-faith disagreement.

[TheSmarterDog]

86. Well, we know where you stand.

[Jim Lane]

128. Actually, you don't.

In the oversimplified thinking and disdain for nuance that have become all too common on this board, a statement to the effect "One particular pro-Feinstein argument lacks merit" is widely taken to mean "Every pro-Feinstein argument lacks merit, every criticism of her is valid, and I endorse her opponent." That logic (if such it can be called) is invalid.

As to each of the five Democrats in this race, I know some good things and some bad things. I haven't said here how I would vote, if I were in California, because I don't even know the answer myself.

[TheSmarterDog]

143. You keep posting the old RW bullshit that both parties are the same.

And that any Democrat in office for longer than five minutes **MUST** be dishonest & corrupt by default.

That thinking is as simple - and wrong - as it can get.

The fact is that BOTH PARTIES ARE NOT THE SAME. The RW extremists spent decades pushing that lie to the detriment of moderate & liberal Republicans.

RWrs don't believe their own bullshit. Why do you?

[Jim Lane]

145. Your post is just so inconceivably stupid... I can scarcely believe my eyes.

You courageously attack propositions that I did not articulate, that I do not believe, that cannot reasonably be inferred from anything I've written in this thread or anywhere else, and that no one with a sixth-grade level of reading comprehension could think I had articulated.

[TheSmarterDog]

152. Yeah, you keep trying to push that idea.

[Demsrule86]

37. The Sarandon crowd wants revolution not progressive policy.

[cally]

20. Feinstein rarely comes to California

She avoids all Democratic conventions. Most Democratic activists never see her! She ignores the state and focuses on national affairs. I do not like her and think she is too old. I will vote Democratic in November but I support a primary challenge.

[Demsrule86]

38. She will win anyway...and De Leon is likely finished...Russian trolls agree with you...she so needs

to go according to them...wonder why they feel that way?

[Sophia4]

30. How do you know that what you are seeing is Russian spam?

I doubt it.

I have talked to friends, strongly Democratic friends, who also feel that Feinstein should not run again. She is a very courageous woman. She has done a good job. I have always voted for her.

But this will be a great time for someone else to run.

You are seeing a lot of "attacks" (I don't think that is the right word for it.) on Feinstein because although she has done a good job, she should not be running.

[Demsrule86]

39. It was traced to Russian servers.

[R B Garr]

55. Why so much doubt about Russian spammer bots? They are very real.

It's all over the news. Yesterday, the NSA Director was visibly agitated when testifying that Trump had not authorized any defense against Russia's ongoing cyber warfare. You should Google the testimony.

Feinstein released the Fusion testimony, so of course she is a target of the ongoing cyber warfare against the United States.

You mention your "strongly Democratic friends", which I've seen you mention before being also anti-Hillary. I don't come across the same type of Democrats you do, I guess.

[nocalflea]

61. I have talked to friends, strongly Democratic friends, who have absolute confidence in Feinstein and will vote for her.

They see her in the Oval Office sparring with this admin. over DACA.
They trust her and view her experience, contacts and nerves of steel as an asset in these trying times.

[WhiteTara]

31. They're taking aim because she is too powerful and is too close

to the truth and they are scared of her.

[Egnever]

36. What would they be scared of?

she is one of the biggest hawks in the senate and at best a conservative Dem.

[Demsrule86]

40. She is relentlessly attacking the Russians and Trump...unlike some who consider themselves 'left' of

Feinstein ( not you so don't post to me as if I said that).

[Egnever]

42. LOL relentlessly

feel free to link to this relentless assault.

[Demsrule86]

68. Check out twitter...I see the same folks over and over again attacking women

Democrats.

[WhiteTara]

65. who saved the headwaters when the logging companies

were on a sawmill march. She opposed gr-Ass-ly and released a memo that the pukes wanted hidden and has been pressing pretty hard drumpf. That's off the top of my head. and yes, she has baggage, but she has strength. What's the other guy got that is so special? Serious question. I don't live in CA any longer and don't know him. I thought I saw he was a bernie bro, but doesn't ring any memory bells really. Thanks.

[mcar]

93. Thank you!

[left-of-center2012]

33. Let the voters of California decide

Rubber stamping incumbents isn't how it's done.

[Demsrule86]

41. And that is why we lose.

[Egnever]

43. So lets keep electing the folks that got us in this losing position.

Makes a ton of sense to me!

[Demsrule86]

57. Feinstein has won all of her elections. She didn't cause us to lose...and she is taking no prisoners

on the judiciary Russian investigation...the left left (greens and other riffraff) cost us elections...Nader in 2000, Kerry was attacked in 2004 by Greens and others early in the campaign and never recovered, In 2010, they turned on Obama and we got nothing the rest of his term, this sort cost us the Senate in 2014 and in 2016, they elected Trump (Stein). And for those of you who find some sort of lesson in 16, I would caution you about that belief...with all the election interference, we cannot draw any conclusions from this particular election. In fact, it is very likely Trump, the GOP and Russian stole the 16 election. How about, we go back to Dean's 50 state strategy...and win. We have to win and we won't do it without a big tent. It is not moderate Democrats who have cost us elections but those who claim to have our back and have the nerve to call themselves progressive while not voting for the only candidate who can stop Republicans...a Democratic candidate...you see them squatting at JPR with their smarmy self-righteousness.

[JCanete]

132. No, the left is not the reason we keep losing. That is your narrative and you're sticking to it, but

if it were the greens and lefties that were the problem it would not have resulted in as many losses as we have had. You can't blame disaffection solely on the people disaffected. Our leadership actually has to own that on some level. All kinds of things cost us the senate in 2014, like not going for a plan that was better than the ACA and then walking away from it and our president in order to try to save individual skins, rather than standing up for it and promoting the changes that would have made it unimpeachable as a party. That wasn't the greens.

[Demsrule86]

136. The many losses as you describe them came as a result of significant losses caused by Greens

and other leftist riffraff...not saying Democrats...for example the loss in 10 led to the gerrymander in the House which led to losses up to the present...but it began with the 'used cars salesman crowd'. Also in 2000 we lost thanks to Nader...in 02 great Democrats like Max Cleland lost because of the Iraq war mostly and 911...none of which would have happened if Nader had not cost us 2000...you see if you examine the situation closely, you will see why I believe as I do. I don't think I am wrong...and what gets me is the people doing this are costing use progressive policy. I want to win ...I want to fix the shit broken by evil and incompetent Republicans. I want a Democratic president to be able to count on the left having his back so he can get stuff done...what a waste it was to have six years after 10 with nothing...and the gerrymander allowed pugs to 'fix' state legislatures too and is still in effect. The lesson of 16 is the same lesson that should have been learned in 94,2000,,2004,2010,2012 and 2016. I hope we emerge in 20 with a country still intact because we may not.

[JCanete]

137. you are blaming state congressional loss on greens at the top of the ticket,

which doesn't make sense. How do greens own the gerrymandering? nt

[Demsrule86]

138. The Greens and other riffraff...seriously don't know how to label this sort...I am a progressive so

won't call them that and they are not the base...not trying to be offensive...but I digress. They abandoned Pres. Obama because he couldn't get single payer...the GOP won governorships, state legislators and the House in 10...the Census was in 10 so the GOP gerrymandered the House and state legislatures which is why despite our electoral victory in Virginia, we didn't get the legislature. We would have had the house back before president Obama left office had the GOP not won in 10 thanks in large party to the left left...greens whatever you call them. Go back to 10 and look what was being written...hell look at Democratic Underground archives. So they caused our loss which allowed the GOP to gerrymander the House and legislatures across the country. A gerrymander which is still in force today...and will reduce the size of our 'blue wave' 2018 election. I think we still get the House but there really should be no doubt and there wouldn't be if the gerrymander didn't exist.

[JCanete]

139. no, that's crap. Obama had huge turn-out in 2012. Few abandoned Obama in the voting booth.

People didn't come out for their state senators, etc. and you want to blame that on greens? You don't think all of the politicians who backed away from Obama on the ACA, not only didn't support it, but didn't offer up the next stage in solidarity that would have made it the thing it should have been, were at fault for those losses? You don't think the party's unwillingness as a whole to advocate for and promote the ACA was the problem? It was the riffraff? Fucking a.

[Demsrule86]

142. I said 10 and 14...and Obama had the lowest approvals of his term 1n 14.

The left went after pres. Obama about not getting single payer in 10...he was abandoned and we lost... by 12 it was too late...the gerrymander was in place...in 14 we lose the Senate...this was during the time of Obama's lowest approval ratings. I saw a heartbreaking interview after the election. Say what you will and opinions can differ but had we supported Obama in 10 during the midterms...instead of turning on him for not getting single payer...things would be different ...for one there would be no gerrymander. We would have a better shot in 18.

[Demsrule86]

44. Purity is more important to some on the left than winning elections. or enacting our policy

This is why we lost the courts, and have not been able to enact progressive policy in years...Obama had a great chance until the "Used Car salesman" types turned on him in 10 for not being able to walk on water and get single payer.

[Eliot Rosewater]

53. The agents designated to attack DEMOCRATS can be seen everywhere on the internet

EVERYWHERE

They especially go after women or POC who are politicians, but their agenda is WEAKEN the D party whether that is attack Al, Dianne, or to primary powerful sitting Democrats.

Yeah, I see it, and you see it, but many dont and many will AGAIN be fooled by this BULLSHIT.

Boy what I would give to have a GREEN LIGHT to expose them!



p.s. "let the voters decide" is one of the talking points to watch out for...GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR like I said, what I would GIVE to be able to POINT them out!

[C Moon]

54. +1000

[jalan48]

56. So anyone who disagrees with the decision of the California Democrats is now a Russian apologist

or a dupe of the Russians? This sounds a lot like 50's McCarthyism.

[left-of-center2012]

60. Let the California voters decide

Primary.

[jalan48]

63. Exactly

[C Moon]

66. Not saying that AT ALL. I'm saying there is an obvious effort by the RW to smear California

Democrats. I'm seeing it heavily in the past 3 days.
Be aware it's going on, because they are going to spread a lot of BS.
That's all I'm saying.

[Demsrule86]

74. Yes...they are inadvertently echoing the Russian message and were probably influenced by Russian

bots as many were in 16. I heard many callers take exception on Michael Signorelli show take exception to what California Democrats did to Feinstein. One from California said she won't give them any money and that if the run strict liberals...they will lose some votes from the more conservative parts of the state and in the end Republicans will be elected.

[jalan48]

77. I remember being told I was a Communist (by some Democratic friends) for protesting the

Vietnam War in the 60's. Sorry, I don't buy into the belief that the Russians are behind all our political differences.

[Demsrule86]

84. This has nothing to do with being communist...but if you find yourself (not saying you do)

on the same side as Putin and his trolls who elected Trump and hacked our elections perhaps you are on the wrong side and should reconsider. The Russians want Feinstein out for a reason and you can bet it is to benefit themselves and Trump.

[jalan48]

85. The same side? What is that?

[Demsrule86]

87. Putin attacked our elections using an army of trolls so if one finds oneself agreeing with them...

perhaps one should reconsider...if Putin and his American attacking trolls hate Feinstein and want her gone...there is a reason and it benefits Russia and Trump. Not saying you are on the 'wrong' side.

[jalan48]

88. What on earth are you trying to say? I'm a life long Democrat and if I choose to support

and vote for a candidate in my primary election I will do so. I don't need to be told that maybe, somehow, someone might have supported the candidate I like (behind the scenes) and that therefore my candidate is somehow tainted. We, as citizens, have differences of opinions on politics and we are free to vote in accordance with those opinions. That's why we have elections.

[Demsrule86]

98. As I said in my post...I am referring to those influenced by Russian trolls. There is no question

however that they are after Feinstein...so make of it what you will. I did not call you out.

[Demsrule86]

75. What the happened to Sen. Feinstein sounds like McCarthyism...she has to believe everything they

do or out she goes...totalitarian purity. And one caller said that the delegates were infiltrated by Sen. Sanders supporters who do not reflect California and are not representative of the state at large. She predicted that Dianne will win easily and the delegates will be out before the next primary.

[jalan48]

80. What happened was that California Democrats did what they were allowed to do.

[Demsrule86]

83. They are allowed...where did I say they were not...however, if the caller is right...they will be

out before the next primary.

[nocalflea]

58. DiFi didn't take the decision to run lightly.

She's running because we are entering a crisis faze and need experience on board.

Most importantly she's up to speed and doesnt need training or time to
adjust.

She is quite formidable. Let's not forget that moment when she and Grassley stepped out of that Congressional SCIF ashen-faced. She was the one who took the lead in the subsequent interview.

United we stand.

[oasis]

62. Feinstein should keep her position. This is no time to break in a newbie.

[left-of-center2012]

67. Let's not return to the day of "party bosses"

Primary.

[Demsrule86]

76. What the delegates did reminds me of party bosses.

And I feel they will in the end be very embarrassed and show how out of touch they are when she wins.

[left-of-center2012]

90. Again ...

The voters need to decide in a primary.

[Demsrule86]

99. Well the delegates voted now didn't they? Perhaps they should have left it up to the voters...They

made it clear who they choose...but as I have heard today (from media and friends many who consider it mysongenist), they are not representative of California voters; thus, I expect Feinstein will win.

[saidsimplesimon]

78. imo, Cali Dems are smart

I hope they will speak truth to power. They may be vulnerable to influence from both parties.

[Demsrule86]

89. Ah...we shall have new delegates soon...can't afford to have defend California seats while trying to

take back the rest of the states.

[nbsmom]

109. Exactly.

The California Dem party met last weekend, and refused to endorse DiFi.

The California Dem party IS smart. We've managed to elect a state legislature that is majority Dem. If it weren't for the stupid Republican tax bill, we'd be THISCLOSE to getting statewide single payer.

You know who doesn't believe in a lot of of the progressive California agenda? DiFi.

She's definitely correct on guns and gun control. But she's pretty centrist/Blue Dog Dem in most respects, particularly when it comes to issues like single payer.

It's not about her age, it's about her positions.

[nini]

104. They always attack the ones they're afraid of the most

They're so transparent it's ridiculous.

[Stinky The Clown]

105. Hopefully there are no "Callie Bros" to help fuck things up.

[David__77]

108. I prefer De Leon over Feinstein.

...

[R B Garr]

117. I prefer Feinstein over de Len.

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You should be hoping his stance to embrace a hostile and divisive group like the revolution doesn’t totally derail his career. Hillary won big in California when that same nastiness was tried on her.

edit: this is a third edit to change the name in the subject line to “León” but it has not updated from Len. Trying again.,,

[NBachers]

113. Donate to Dianne Feinstein here - I just made another donation to her:

https://secure.actblue.com/entity/fundraisers/12888

[diva77]

119. When Waxman retired from the House, people were very worried. But then Ted Lieu came along.

I think de Leon is of the calibre of Ted Lieu and do not fear what would happen if Feinstein were to lose. On the other hand, if she were to get re-elected, I would be ok with that as well.

[C Moon]

120. +1

[JCanete]

131. Was almost swayed, then saw your post and was swayed by it...